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[Taint Master]

Sorry if I'm late on this, but I just saw this video saying a Bioware dev tweeted that they follow the Dalish Elf origin with the Warden dead and Alistair as king for the books and comic lore.  Is that true?

If so, ew.  That was the most boring origin imo, and even has the botched/retconned Merril.  And if the Warden's dead then there's no OGB and Witch Hunt never even happened. 

That sounds like the blandest set of choices possible just to push the elluvian angle, and I sincerely hope that isn't ever made official.

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Well they needed something to go with in order to have a baseline for new players. I'm honestly just glad they didn't pick a Human Noble, as that was by far the blandest way to play Dragon Age in my opinion.

Also, while the OGB isn't canon, Witch Hunt is. Awakening, Amgarrak, and Witch Hunt happened, just with the Orlesian Warden-Commander as opposed to the Hero of Ferelden.

[Taint Master]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Well they needed something to go with in order to have a baseline for new players. I'm honestly just glad they didn't pick a Human Noble, as that was by far the blandest way to play Dragon Age in my opinion.

Also, while the OGB isn't canon, Witch Hunt is. Awakening, Amgarrak, and Witch Hunt happened, just with the Orlesian Warden-Commander as opposed to the Hero of Ferelden.

Oh wow.

That is some garbage right there.

[Cirram55]

For the thousandth time again: Bioware's canon is just for books and comics.
Dalish origin is the most boring one to you? Pick another, there's so many, there must be one to your liking

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Cirram55 wrote...

For the thousandth time again: Bioware's canon is just for books and comics.
Dalish origin is the most boring one to you? Pick another, there's so many, there must be one to your liking

You know Cirram, that's an excellent point. I find it hilarious that everyone who posts here has more than likely played Dragon Age and its expansion/add-ons, has more than likely played DA2, and yet despite having their own canonical history in the series (one which BioWare goes to great lengths to respect in its sequels), some still find a way to moan about "official canon" that in no way impedes upon their own history.

It's downright bizarre. 

[Taint Master]

Cirram55 wrote...

For the thousandth time again: Bioware's canon is just for books and comics.

For now.  Or do you really believe they'll leave the games open ended forever?

I'm sure there will come a time when there's just too many variables to account for.  And then Dragon Age gets the Revan treatment.

Bah, there's just so much more drama involved with the other choices.

[esper]

So they build their book world on the second default option in da2. Interesting.

Anyway as long as bioware keeps their book out of the games I am happy. The moment they do make a canon I am out, but they show no intention of doing so, therefore I don't really care what the warden is in the comic.

[Wulfram]

I think that was for the game more than for the books/comics - the default choices that are picked if you're not importing. Though it'll be interesting to hear if Mahariel came up if Merrill ever gets in the books.

Maybe they picked Dalish because the Cousland family will be coming up a bit in the next game and they don't want to confuse new players.

[Nightwing99]

my only problem is the Fourth Blight was Ended by a elven Grey Warden Repeating it

[Sanunes]

I think you are reading too much into what happens outside of the games, they might have a pre-built history that incorporates those selections, but they won't have "this is your Warden deal with it" approach either, if anything they will just not mention what happened in the previous games instead of making something canon.

Modifié par Sanunes, 20 août 2013 - 12:34 .

[Knight of Dane]

I like that as a default, that's the one where Loghain lives too.

[Secretlyapotato]

Those are just default choices, next game they could completely change the default warden to a Dwarf Noble if they wanted to. Like in Saints Row how the default character went from a white guy to a black guy to a white guy again.

Nightwing99 wrote...

my only problem is the Fourth Blight was Ended by a elven Grey Warden Repeating it

That's because elves rule and humans and dwarves drool my dear.

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

That's because elves rule and humans and dwarves drool my dear.

You're Goddamn Right.

[Toasted Llama]

They follow the Dalish Elf origin for default settings when importing a save without playing the earlier games.


If you really think that the dElf origin was the most boring one, then you automatically have nothing to do with this default setting because you have played the first game.

Stop crying.

[Taleroth]

Taint Master wrote...

I'm sure there will come a time when there's just too many variables to account for. 

Then they can just stop referencing things that have no place.

They're not even "accounting" for variables as it is. They're making references. Everything ends up at the same place anyway.

[Taleroth]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Cirram55 wrote...

For the thousandth time again: Bioware's canon is just for books and comics.

And when the variables get too much to manage and they have to establish a canon for a future game whose canon do you think they are going to follow?

Neither. They'll just pick which variables to reference smarter than they did in DA2. It's not like whether you put Alistair on the throne or left Anora will be a big deal running around Antiva.

At the very worst they can do move on to the next Age and none of it will matter anymore. It'll have all the importance of Nerevar's favorite house in Skyrim.

Modifié par Taleroth, 20 août 2013 - 02:24 .

[LucianaIV]

I don't see the problem, this stated canon only goes in effect for people who start fresh without any kind of DAO and DA2 imports, additionally I did Dalish Origin myself and found it by far the most interesting one, though my Dalish Warden went with convincing Alistair to go through with the OGB thing and thus, she survived.

[Azrielon]

I'm kind of curious if it is exactly like the Martyr preset, or if there default has other choices.

[Jorina Leto]

So... Hawke is dead, just like the warden?

[Han Shot First]

Human noble was the best origin for a Warden, by far.

It is the one most involved in the main plot.

[David Gaider]

The problem here is that people have a strange idea of what "canon" means-- almost a paranoia, really.

We have a default canon, which applies if you import nothing. So if someone comes to DAI with no import of previous games, they get a certain set of previous decisions being presumed-- and those tend to be ones that don't promise future content. The Warden of DAO is dead, because why would someone who's importing no save (and is possibly a brand new player) care about their Warden still being alive and involved in the plot? There is no OGB, because why would that person care about Morrigan having a child from some game they possibly never even played?

As for things which don't involve future content, like the sex and race of the Warden, yes-- those we just decided on at some point. So the default Warden who died was a female Dalish elf.

A default should not concern you in the slightest, however, if you intend on importing-- which I assume everyone who's hanging around on these forums a year before release likely is. How we'll do that importing is the subject of a future reveal, it's true, but I'm uncertain why a fan would be concerned about the default settings of a version of the story they'll never use.

And if your version of the definition of canon is "it overrides my previous story", then rest assured that will not happen. The story may not go exactly as you want/expect (as in Leliana being alive, if you killed her in DAO), but that's not the same as those previous actions being treated as if they never happened at all. If we ever decide to move Dragon Age over to one canonical story in-between games, I'm almost positive we would give lots of advance notice to allow fans time to rend garments, burn effigies, and send cupcakes. Until that point, just wait for news on the import feature.

[Elhanan]

I have been wondering how Bioware will go about designing this game on Player's past decisions so many years after both other games. Just a guess, but not all will have Saved Files on newer systems.

Will there be some kind of prequel; a montage reviewing the past games important choices where new Players or possibly experienced Players may select key selections if they do not have Imported files?