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[Rolling Flame]

So, what is Hawke's "canon" story?

[CGG80]

Rolling Flame wrote...

So, what is Hawke's "canon" story?

Mage, sides with Mages
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[DarthLaxian]

Taint Master wrote...

Sorry if I'm late on this, but I just saw this video saying a Bioware dev tweeted that they follow the Dalish Elf origin with the Warden dead and Alistair as king for the books and comic lore.  Is that true?

If so, ew.  That was the most boring origin imo, and even has the botched/retconned Merril.  And if the Warden's dead then there's no OGB and Witch Hunt never even happened. 

That sounds like the blandest set of choices possible just to push the elluvian angle, and I sincerely hope that isn't ever made official.

agreed - they should have pick something that polarized the fan-base more (like Magi-Origin) and that was a lot more interesting (and yes: making it so that Witch-Hunt never happened?...well, i don't know (i don't know if i like the OGB to be universal-canon...also i have that everytime, because my warden was forced into becoming a warden and he/she does not want to die even earlier then she has to...hell, in my head-canon my mages always go down the Avernus-Route using blood-magic to extend their lives (without killing other people - they are after all decent people and Avernus has done the research for them already...and it would not help the dead people if you don't use it))

but they did what they did and we will probably not change their minds (at least killing Loghain is Canon - that's a Plus...freakin' paranoid-traitor...)

greetings LAX

[themageguy]

I'd like to see a default timeline/ version of events being used for the novels and comics.
Just so I could create a game that replicates it.
I tend to play Mage characters most, so it'd give me incentive to try my classes.
Otherwise my story for the dragon age universe is the warden, hawke and the inquisitor are mages. Haha.

Modifié par themageguy, 21 août 2013 - 03:51 .

[macrocarl]

David Gaider wrote...

Elhanan wrote...
Just a guess, but not all will have Saved Files on newer systems.

Yes, we're aware of that-- and have an answer, which we will discuss. Later.

I'm really exciting and while this is OT, I did want to jump in and say that I'm nerdily excited to see how this will be implemented. As for canon, I got several and am not worried about the game one bit! Also I got to say, reading all the stuff DA related that has come out (comics, books etc.) you guys are doing a great job of having stories that flesh out Thedas without pointing to specifics that are in game.

[Elhanan]

Taure Tavari wrote...

I have a question for Bioware, specifically someone with influence.

I previously owned both DA:O + all Content, DA2 + all content on my PC. I had the unfortunate experience of getting a new PC and not being able to copy everything across.
Now I have DA:O on PS3, and DA2 on Xbox 360, although this doesn't make much sense, I had little choice.

I was hoping that you could consider a system that, when beginning a game on DA (Inquisition may be too late, but future games are possible) which allows you to pick individual options for the events in previous DA games and their DLCs.

For example, if I were to begin a new game on Inquisition; I could choose to:

- Import a save
- Choose a default history
- Create a DA history

This would allow me to pick between all the major events in DA. I have no idea of the cost or time it would take to create such a system; but at least consider it if you have not done so already.

This is much like what I had imagined, too. A montage of prior scenes would appear from the previous games, and key choices could be presented to quickly set the Player selections. Thanks for this post!

[DarthSliver]

Elhanan wrote...

Taure Tavari wrote...

I have a question for Bioware, specifically someone with influence.

I previously owned both DA:O + all Content, DA2 + all content on my PC. I had the unfortunate experience of getting a new PC and not being able to copy everything across.
Now I have DA:O on PS3, and DA2 on Xbox 360, although this doesn't make much sense, I had little choice.

I was hoping that you could consider a system that, when beginning a game on DA (Inquisition may be too late, but future games are possible) which allows you to pick individual options for the events in previous DA games and their DLCs.

For example, if I were to begin a new game on Inquisition; I could choose to:

- Import a save
- Choose a default history
- Create a DA history

This would allow me to pick between all the major events in DA. I have no idea of the cost or time it would take to create such a system; but at least consider it if you have not done so already.

This is much like what I had imagined, too. A montage of prior scenes would appear from the previous games, and key choices could be presented to quickly set the Player selections. Thanks for this post!

Thats what they need to do, considering the Import system might be out of whack when going from current gen to next gen. Not to mention not everyone wants to play Origins a bunch of times to try and setup new ways to change stuff in Inquisition 

[Spectre slayer]

themageguy wrote...
I'd like to see a default timeline/ version of events being used for the novels and comics.Just so I could create a game that replicates it.I tend to play Mage characters most, so it'd give me incentive to try my classes.Otherwise my story for the dragon age universe is the warden, hawke and the inquisitor are mages. Haha.

It's something like this 

1. Ostagar falls Flemeth saves the Dalish warden and Alistair

2. Flemeth saves Hawke who is a mage gives them the amulet and flys away in preparation of her meeting with the warden.

3. Recruits Leliana and Sten

4. Saves Redclife, and goes to the circle for aid 

5. Recruits Wyne and saves the circle of mages

6. Spares Conor and goes off to find the scared urn of andraste to save Arl Eamon.

7. Helps Sten and Leliana, kills Flemeth 

8. Does not kill Leliana or defile the ashes and saves the Arl.

9. Landsmeet spares Logain makes Alistair king to rule jointly with Anora.

10. Refuses the ritual and does not romance Morrigan 

11. Ultimate Sacrifice, Alistair is King, Morrigan heads west to Orliais and joins empress Celenes court sometime.

12. Orleasin warden for awakening

13. Hawke brings Carver to deep roads with Anders and he becomes grey warden.

14. Hawke kills the Arishok,  sometime later Sten  becomes the Arishok 

15. Anders blows up the chantry, ? Either kills or spares him

16.  Hawke sides with Mages

17. The books and comics

18.Game begins 3 years after Anders blows up the chantry and 12-13 years after the warden ends the blight.

18. The inquisitor is the only witness of the events that cause the veil rip and the only survivor of it which the newly formed inquisition makes them the leader to find out who or what opened the veil and is behind everything+ stop the conflicts

Edit
Thanks for the heads up forgot about that

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 21 août 2013 - 09:18 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I just read the default save import for Dalish Elf in DA2 and it says Loghain was allowed to live and Alistair and Anora rule together.

[Dorrieb]

David Gaider wrote...
...There is no OGB, because why would that person care about Morrigan having a child from some game they possibly never even played?...

Hang on. Then the Old God Baby, a messianic and/or antichrist figure with the potential to revolutionise our view of the world as we know it, is actually a relatively minor detail that may or may not exist, and it won't change matters much?

That is disappointing to me, because it hinted that the series was headed toward some kind of apocalyptic revelation, some age-of-aquarius-style dawning of illumination that would reveal the real nature of the Fade, and our relationship to it, and the true reason for why things are as they are. Instead it seems that it was only ever a device to avoid the Warden having to die, if you know, you didn't want to, and that the series is going to focus on plain old political upheaval firmly within the status quo.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just the gap between my expectations and what it's actually turning out to be.

Modifié par Dorrieb, 21 août 2013 - 09:19 .

[David Gaider]

Dorrieb wrote...
Hang on. Then the Old God Baby, a messianic and/or antichrist figure with the potential to revolutionise our view of the world as we know it, is actually a relatively minor detail that may or may not exist, and it won't change matters much?

"messianic and/or antichrist figure with the potential to revolutionise our view of the world as we know it"

Umm... what?

That is disappointing to me, because it hinted that the series was headed toward some kind of apocalyptic revelation, some age-of-aquarius-style dawning of illumination that would reveal the real nature of the Fade, and our relationship to it, and the true reason for why things are as they are. Instead it seems that it was only ever a device to avoid the Warden having to die, if you know, you didn't want to, and that the series is going to focus on plain old political upheaval firmly within the status quo.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just the gap between my expectations and what it's actually turning out to be.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I think there's a difference between your expectations and what you think has actually been hinted... and I think that's related to whatever you think the Old God Baby is "actually turning out to be", which hasn't been hinted at whatsoever outside of the fact it has to be an optonal part of the upcoming story.

I'm all for people having headcanon and such, but that's what fanfiction is for.

[Wulfram]

I'm not sure if this has been said, but some people seem to treating it as a given and I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere.

Is book/comic "canon" the same as DA3 default "canon"?

[thats1evildude]

Dorrieb wrote...

Hang on. Then the Old God Baby, a messianic and/or antichrist figure with the potential to revolutionise our view of the world as we know it, is actually a relatively minor detail that may or may not exist, and it won't change matters much?

The fact that he could or could not exist depending on a single choice sort of undercut his potential as Baby Cthulhu.

Not that that's a bad thing. I hope he's just an ordinary little boy with gold-coloured eyes and vaguely pointy ears.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 21 août 2013 - 09:45 .

[Savber100]

Dorrieb wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
...There is no OGB, because why would that person care about Morrigan having a child from some game they possibly never even played?...

Hang on. Then the Old God Baby, a messianic and/or antichrist figure with the potential to revolutionise our view of the world as we know it, is actually a relatively minor detail that may or may not exist, and it won't change matters much?

That is disappointing to me, because it hinted that the series was headed toward some kind of apocalyptic revelation, some age-of-aquarius-style dawning of illumination that would reveal the real nature of the Fade, and our relationship to it, and the true reason for why things are as they are. Instead it seems that it was only ever a device to avoid the Warden having to die, if you know, you didn't want to, and that the series is going to focus on plain old political upheaval firmly within the status quo.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just the gap between my expectations and what it's actually turning out to be.

Someone read a bit too much into this whole OGB. 

[thats1evildude]

The OGB has been conceived! We must dance!

Modifié par thats1evildude, 21 août 2013 - 10:02 .

[Jaison1986]

thats1evildude wrote...

Dorrieb wrote...

Hang on. Then the Old God Baby, a messianic and/or antichrist figure with the potential to revolutionise our view of the world as we know it, is actually a relatively minor detail that may or may not exist, and it won't change matters much?

The fact that he could or could not exist depending on a single choice sort of undercut his potential as Baby Cthulhu.

Not that that's a bad thing. I hope he's just an ordinary little boy with gold-coloured eyes and vaguely pointy ears.

You also forgot to mention the godlike powers capable of burn cities and crushing armies

[Maria Caliban]

Dorrieb wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
...There is no OGB, because why would that person care about Morrigan having a child from some game they possibly never even played?...

Hang on. Then the Old God Baby, a messianic and/or antichrist figure with the potential to revolutionise our view of the world as we know it, is actually a relatively minor detail that may or may not exist, and it won't change matters much?

That is disappointing to me, because it hinted that the series was headed toward some kind of apocalyptic revelation, some age-of-aquarius-style dawning of illumination that would reveal the real nature of the Fade, and our relationship to it, and the true reason for why things are as they are. Instead it seems that it was only ever a device to avoid the Warden having to die, if you know, you didn't want to, and that the series is going to focus on plain old political upheaval firmly within the status quo.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just the gap between my expectations and what it's actually turning out to be.

God damn it, BioWare! Stop messing with my elaborate headcanon!

[Dorrieb]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I think there's a difference between your expectations and what you think has actually been hinted...

That's just what I said. I didn't think it was 'headcanon' (loathsome word!), by the way, I really honestly thought that's where you were going, and it looks like I was wrong. I guess I'll adjust my expectations, from now on.

thats1evildude wrote...

The fact that he could or could not exist depending on a single choice sort of undercut his potential as Baby Cthulhu.

Yep. I was kind of looking forward to Baby Cthulhu.

Modifié par Dorrieb, 22 août 2013 - 05:08 .

[Dorrieb]

thats1evildude wrote...

The OGB has been conceived! We must dance!

I'm well aware that you're mocking, but that rather seems like a good idea. Bit like the end of the first Jerry Cornelius book.

[xnode]

I think cannon is thrown around so much because as myself, I just don't see the OGB is a big part of the story being that it is "optional" , tell me any bioware game or for that matter any game where side choice a or b ended up being some huge story plot in the future or being part of one. Minor side notes or how something happened, but I never see it as a huge part of the story and at a point about the OGB from the start when OGB became a main topic, it was "ITS THE OGB!" and my point along with many is, "that's just silly as many stories wouldn't have ended up with that, so the alternative is not a OGB but ? What? what could be bigger then a god baby ?"

I think this (probably along with others )being that if it did happen, sure that would be a huge deal one of the original gods forsaken by the maker rises again? Yeah hello chaos reigns from above? I get it, but if again it was this I would never see this in any game as a side choice. It would make for very difficult story telling if you base your story off of pre-choices of could have and could not have.

Not to mention as noted from the dev, when Leliana was risen from the grave from some people's story lines how much of an up-roar did we see? Could you imagin if bioware goes, well ok you didn't "authorize the baby to happen but it did!" , I would be pretty upset as well. Being we where told the only way this would happen is if the arch demon . bla bla you know the rest so that would definitely make no sense how you where to tell it and I really HIGHLY doubt bioware will go along that road again doing a "well this is the way it is" we see how well that goes. Heck on another note I remember reading a certain tweet from a certain Microsoft creative director saying "dealwithit" hash tag, yeah that worked out well for him too, yeah I just don't see it.

Modifié par xnode, 22 août 2013 - 05:30 .

[Han Shot First]

Actual footage of the OGB in DA:I:

[BioFan (Official)]

David Gaider wrote...

 I'm almost positive we would give lots of advance notice to allow fans time to rend garments, burn effigies, and send cupcakes.

LOLZ. Totally picturing that right now.

[Angrywolves]

I want the OGB to matter btw.
Players tend to be too exciteable .
Gaider may be reassuring too much. The assumption being the import sytem will CORRECTLY transfer files of game saves to your DAI game and impliment things properly.
No guarantee of that.

[blod007]

David Gaider wrote...

 I'm almost positive we would give lots of advance notice to allow fans time to rend garments, burn effigies, and send cupcakes.

So that's what the DR is all about huh?  And they say blood magic is evil? The cake is a lie.