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[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Trying to remember...

I don't think so, unless the painter girl was a mage....

Actually, in the 'media' picture on the dragon age website, there is what appears to be a bald, possibly elven, mage.

I think Dorian had hair, so that might be our third.

[erilben]

daveliam wrote...

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

I think the scrapped companion is likely Cullen; we'd have too many warriors otherwise.

Only if you assume that there will be 3 of each class.  That was the case in DA2 (if you count BOTH Carver and Bethany), but certainly wasn't the case in DA:O.

Warriors:
Alistair
Sten
Oghren
Dog
Shale

Rogues:
Leliana
Zevran

Mages:
Morrigan
Wynne

I know that some people argue that Dog and Shale aren't warriors because they use different skill trees, but they certainly fit that class better than rogues or mages and function exactly the same as a melee warrior.

I don't think that you can bank on it being evenly spaced across the three classes.  You can speculate, but not there really isn't any evidence to support it.

Bioware had made some comments that it was a mistake that have so many warriors in DAO. After DAO, notice it has happen again. Awakening had 2 of each class. DA2 had 2 of each class for the main party members (3 of each if you count Bethany, Carver and Sebastian).

[Welsh Inferno]

I'm pretty damn confident there wont be a third mage companion. There's no chance BW will allow a full mage party. So don't get your hopes up for one. Would be a nice suprise though.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 21 août 2013 - 04:09 .

[ames4u]

berelinde wrote...

ames4u wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Since Vivienne seems to be your damage mage companion, there is probably going to be another mage companion whose initial abilities are more focused on healing. (DA:I's Wynne)

So long as I can restat them to my specification like in DAO and DAA, then I'll
be happy. I found DA2's forcefully restricted skill trees both annoying and unnecessary.

That's kinda why I think there will be three from each class: two with fixed, "iconic" skillsets and one whose build can be customized to fill a need.

The fixed skillsets are what bother me. I wanted to kill Ander's but couldn't because he was the overall healer. The fact that Merrill, who was to be a Keeper at some point, didn't know any healing magic is BS. I'd think that would be one of the most necessary spell sets for a keeper, who is in charge of an entire clan of people who will be prone to sickness and injury given their nomadic lifestyle. It just doens't make any sense for a Keeper not to know healing magic.

I can understand why maybe an archer wouldn't be prone to becoming a duelist, due to their preferance in bow's and the skills necessary to use one. But a mage? There is nothing stopping them from learning from any of the magic skill sets.There is no real reason why they shouldn't be able to learn one type of skill tree over another. Just saying 'she a blood mage brah, aint got no time fo dat healing cr*p', just doesn't fly with me. A warrior is the same in my books. Although, depending on who the character is (Templar for example) would explain why one skill set would feature more prominently than the others. But not for mages. There really is no excuse for that.

It just occurred to me...is the Inquisitor going to be Orlesian? >_< I hope to all that is fluffy they wont be. Although, it'd be pretty damn cool if the Elven Inquisitor spoke with the (orly?) Dalish accent. (yarly!) Hmm...that'd be pretty damn interesting actually to have different VA's for different races. Don't see it happening though.

[berelinde]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I'm pretty damn confident there wont be a third mage companion. There's no chance BW will allow a full mage party. So don't get your hopes up for one. Would be a nice suprise though.

Why not? If you can make a party solely of rogues or warriors, how does that differ?

BioWare has been talking a lot about a different way of encouraging people to use balanced parties by placing obstacles that one class has a much easier time overcoming. Need a bridge? Bring a mage. Locks? Bring a rogue. Gotta muscle through something? Warrior's where it's at. Sure, a player can make a party full of warriors, but they'll be at a severe disadvantage when they come across obstacles that need finesse or magic to overcome. Likewise, if you've got a full party of mages, good luck to you if you're up against something that isn't particularly vulnerable to spells. Harvester, anyone?

So, once you've removed the "OMGXYZBBQ! Mage="I win button! No fair!" element, party selection becomes a matter of building a team based on personality and individual skillsets rather than challenge rating. And I think that's pretty cool.

As I said before, any number of players resented the fact that specializations forced players to use companions they didn't like. Mostly, it was pointed at Anders, a mage. The easiest way to avoid this in the future would be to allow a third mage/rogue/warrior who could be built in a way that duplicated some of the disliked companion's skills.

At the end of the day, it's going to be a long time before we find out how they're going to distribute the followers between the classes, but I wouldn't rule out an even distribution. There's a lot to gain by this approach, and I'm sure they're aware of that.

[Welsh Inferno]

The fact that I am confidant of there not being 3 mage companions does not mean that is how I want it to be. I'm being objective, practically everyone else just puts who they want in the game in their lists, not who they think. 

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 21 août 2013 - 04:32 .

[azarhal]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I'm pretty damn confident there wont be a third mage companion. There's no chance BW will allow a full mage party. So don't get your hopes up for one. Would be a nice suprise though.

It's also possible we are having mutually exclusive companions again, like with Carver and Bethany in DA2. So there could be 3 mage companions, but if you are a mage you can't recruit companion mage #3 and it get replaced by either a rogue or warrior.

[ames4u]

azarhal wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I'm pretty damn confident there wont be a third mage companion. There's no chance BW will allow a full mage party. So don't get your hopes up for one. Would be a nice suprise though.

It's also possible we are having mutually exclusive companions again, like with Carver and Bethany in DA2. So there could be 3 mage companions, but if you are a mage you can't recruit companion mage #3 and it get replaced by either a rogue or warrior.

So long as Bioware doesn't pull a 'Companion X vanishes for the rest of the game until the last battle for reason Y.' It chapped my hide that the sibling just died or left the party for no real reason other than The Plot Demanded It!

[DarkKnightHolmes]

azarhal wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I'm pretty damn confident there wont be a third mage companion. There's no chance BW will allow a full mage party. So don't get your hopes up for one. Would be a nice suprise though.

It's also possible we are having mutually exclusive companions again, like with Carver and Bethany in DA2. So there could be 3 mage companions, but if you are a mage you can't recruit companion mage #3 and it get replaced by either a rogue or warrior.

Or it could be like DAO where you have to choose between 2 characters (Alistair and Loghain) and you still end up with 9.

[Welsh Inferno]

azarhal wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I'm pretty damn confident there wont be a third mage companion. There's no chance BW will allow a full mage party. So don't get your hopes up for one. Would be a nice suprise though.

It's also possible we are having mutually exclusive companions again, like with Carver and Bethany in DA2. So there could be 3 mage companions, but if you are a mage you can't recruit companion mage #3 and it get replaced by either a rogue or warrior.

Also very possible yes.

[daveliam]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

The fact that I am confidant of there not being 3 mage companions does not mean that is how I want it to be. I'm being objective, practically everyone else just puts who they want in the game in their lists, not who they think. 

Exactly Welsh.  I've been trying my hardest to base my speculation on evidence, not on what I want to see in the game.  I think there have been plenty of other threads that have focused on requests. 

The evidence so far doesn't seem to indicate that there is a 3rd mage.  That's my point.  The only somewhat plausible suggestion is that Scribe Girl is a mage, but I still tend to think that she seems more like a supporting agent character (similar to Kelly/Samantha in ME).

We have confirmation on Cassandra, Varric, and Vivienne.

We have gameplay footage of the elf lady and the bearded human, who match the concept art for Sera and the Grey Warden (respectively), so it's likely that they are in.

That brings us to 2 warriors, 2 rogues, and 1 mage.

The rest is to be taken with a grain of salt.  We have four more slots to fill and more than four speculated characters right now:

Iron Bull
Cullen
Dorian
Cole
Scribe Girl
Trident Guy
Leliana

There are arguments for and against each of these people, so we just don't know. I just think it's unlikely that there is another mage character who will show up that we have zero evidence for yet.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I think trident guy IS dorian.

[carine]

I don't think Leliana will make a return as a companion in DA:I. I think she's going to have a big part in the story somehow, but not companion-level (probably more similar to Morrigan).

[azarhal]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

azarhal wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I'm pretty damn confident there wont be a third mage companion. There's no chance BW will allow a full mage party. So don't get your hopes up for one. Would be a nice suprise though.

It's also possible we are having mutually exclusive companions again, like with Carver and Bethany in DA2. So there could be 3 mage companions, but if you are a mage you can't recruit companion mage #3 and it get replaced by either a rogue or warrior.

Or it could be like DAO where you have to choose between 2 characters (Alistair and Loghain) and you still end up with 9.

Good point. They did mutually exclusive companions in both games, but used different situations to make it happen.  I think we should be expecting this again.

I also suspect that some companions might leave you based on some choices or plot points. In DAO, you have Morrigan, you can kill Wynne, Leliana, etc. In DA2, you can fail to recruit Isabela/Fenris, sale Fenris back and the ending is based on the Friendship/Rivalty meter too.

One thing I really wonder is how Cassandra will react if you're no showing up to the task of "saving the world". Especially, when it appears that she's responsible for the PC becoming the Inquisitor going by the female black Inquisitor concept art that was confirmed to represent when the PC is made Inquisitor...

[daveliam]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

I think trident guy IS dorian.

Maybe.  I do wonder if Trident Guy is the guy standing beside Cassandra in the Map Stabby concept art picture.  If that's the case, then there is clearly a guy in the back on the right who looks like an elven mage. 

The trident in Trident Guy's picture is interesting to me.  We've never had any kind of polearms before so, either they are adding them in as a new weapon type or the trident is just a stylized mage staff (or he's not even a playable character so he can have any type of weapon they want to give him because it won't affect battle mechanics).

[cindercatz]

Somebody mentioned the Inquisitor. I really, really hope they're Orlesian. We don't often get French speaking heroes in our games over here. I don't want Fereldans to be saving the world every game, makes no sense. An Orlesian this time, maybe a Nevarran or an Antivan or a Dalish or a Tevintorian next time, mix it up. Hopefully, we won't be repeating the same accents every game for all of our PCs.

If they add spears, that would cover Trident guy's weapon, though I have no idea if he's Dorian, someone new, or an agent/NPC that just happens to be present. (Of course, it's speculation for the whole group there, so.. ) I do hope weapons of a general type do have some alternate animations if their form is significantly different, like a trident vs. a baseline spear, or a double bladed or notched sword vs. a standard sword, or a curved sword vs. a straight sword.

ElitePinecone wrote...

I think the Grey Warden is meant to be an older character (was it Sheryl or Mary that mentioned they were using their grandfather as inspiration when writing a dialogue?) so I don't think he'd make a very plausible romance.

Cullen would be more likely, if he's in the game as a companion and not an agent (or something else entirely?), though we don't really know how those interactions or anything work yet. I think Dorian is more likely still, especially if they're playing the reference straight (so to speak) and writing him to be slightly hedonistic, or at least playful/brazen.

The gender balance thing is interesting, out of 9 companions I can only count three female characters so far (Sera, Vivienne and Cassandra), and there are six other (male) characters who are either confirmed as companions or look like being so (Varric, Iron Bull, Grey Warden, Cullen, Dorian, Cole).

The 'ratio' (for lack of a better concept) looks way off, so perhaps some of those male characters are actually agents (or have been cut entirely) - though only Dorian and Cole have been totally absent from the concept art they've been releasing, and Dorian *could* conceivably be the elven mage who has popped up fairly often.

Well, whoever's writing Grey Warden Guy, their real grandfather they're using for inspiration doesn't have to be assumed to be generically grandfatherly. One of my grandpas was pretty much a Romeo for most of his life, and.. yeah, I'll have to use that as writing inspiration at some point. I see him as probably in his upper 40s, so that doesn't make him too much older than Leliana, for instance. Just because he's got some miles on him doesn't mean he's not someone that should be romanceable. We don't know how old the Inquisitor is, either.

The gender balance is interesting, yes. I really think at least one on the likely list isn't a companion this time, and for me that odd man out is Cullen. Of course, there could be other companions we have no inkling of so far, but with what we've got.

[Nethalf]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I'm pretty damn confident there wont be a third mage companion. There's no chance BW will allow a full mage party. So don't get your hopes up for one. Would be a nice suprise though.

There could be companions excluding each other in the party, just like Alistair/Loghain.

And don't forget about DA2. There were 9 companions (and three of them were mages), but only 8 of them were available for each playthrough (Carver/Bethany dilemma) and only 7 of them were available for a single moment (Carver or Bethany go away, Sebastian comes; Carver/Bethany comes back, Anders/Sebastian's gone).

Modifié par Nethalf, 21 août 2013 - 05:53 .

[Cairodin]

So are we saying that the Trident Guy is this one here from the survey?  In animal skins with a trident/mage-staff and maybe a sword at his back.  I'd originally assumed this was Dorian:



And then here he is again at the Map Stabbing Conference, looking a bit shocked, and sans furs.  In fact, he looks a bit more like a rogue here:



And that guy is clearly the same as this one, who seems to be looking over the shoulder of a dwarf at the forge (and back in animal skins, perhaps):





All in all, I have no idea who this is.

[Kaidan Fan]

I am probably wrong, but I'm going to throw my speculations into the mix. I think along with Varric, Cassandra and Vivienne we're going to get Iron Bull, Cullen and Dorian. I believe Iron will be a rogue, Cullen a warrior and Dorian the mage. I think scribe girl is going to play a Traynor'ish type roll leaving one spot. I don't think it will be Leliana, I believe she will have a role in the story, a big one. But I don't feel she is going to be a companion. I don't much want Cole but he may fill the last spot in my speculation list

[ThePuppetWithNoStrings]

I'm gonna throw my two cents in and add my guess to the growing pile. (I'm probably wrong though, but since everyone else is speculating...)

Varric (dwarf archer rogue w/ a crossbow)
Cassandra (human two-handed warrior)
Vivienne (human mage)
Dorian (elf mage)
Iron Bull (kossith two-handed warrior)
Cullen (human s&s warrior)
Grey Warden (human s&s warrior)
Sera (elf archer rogue w/ a bow)
Cole (human/spirit dual-wielding rogue).

That makes four warriors (two 2-handers & 2 sword and board), three rogues (two archers and one dual-wielder) and two mages (either one could be damage or healer), which is pretty similar to every other line up we've had in the previous games. I'm also betting "scribe girl" is just a Traynor/Chambers-type too. I'd also rather Leliana didn't come back as a companion.

[Kaidan Fan]

Oh! I forgot about Sera. Take Cole off my list and add her instead. So:

Iron Bull
Sera
Varric
Cassandra
Cullen
Grey Warden (who I also forgot last time)
Dorian
Vivienne
???

[daveliam]

Kaidan Fan wrote...

Oh! I forgot about Sera. Take Cole off my list and add her instead. So:

Iron Bull
Sera
Varric
Cassandra
Cullen
Grey Warden (who I also forgot last time)
Dorian
Vivienne
???

This is exactly what I think as well.  And now that I've seen the picture of what looks like Trident Guy standing over a dwarf (a dwarf Inquisitor?) and watching him, I think that he is also going to be an advisor character and not a companion, like Scribe Girl.  He has that foppish Orlesian look to him, so I think it could work.

That would also open up the 9th spot for another female character and balance out the genders a bit.  Of course, I don't think we have any evidence to point to another female character that we haven't heard about yet, so who knows.

Modifié par daveliam, 21 août 2013 - 07:33 .

[Caellis]

Cullen is two handed. Always has been

[LethesDeep]

Caellis wrote...

Cullen is two handed. Always has been

All companions have been two handed. I don't remember any handicapped companions. Ok, sorry, that was pretty lame.

However, Cullen is sword and shield, not greatsword.

[daveliam]

Caellis wrote...

Cullen is two handed. Always has been

He's sword and shield in DA2.  See in this video:



But it looks like he's two handed in DA: O.  Here's another video: