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[esper]

Cairodin wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Aren't Sera, Cullen, and Dorian guesses ?
We don't know for sure they're party members yet ?

Sera doesn't really feel like a guess to me at this point due to all of the (circumstantial) evidence.  Despite the fact that we don't know how to identify Dorian in concept art, the survey still makes decent case for him being a follower.  Cullen will most likely be in the game, but from what I can tell there's no real cause to believe he'll be a companion.

To be honest, I'm actually still on the fence about Iron Bull.  I have no basis for this, but I feel like his role might not be that of a companion anymore.  He's in all of this promotional material, but they haven't said a word about him officially.  That makes it at least as likely for him to be an important NPC as it for him to be a follower.  That's my take on him right now.  Also, why do people think he's going to be a rogue?  He's got a huge Arishok-style sword!

Then there's this trident guy with the moustache.  Who knows what he'll turn out to be.  Same with Scribe Girl, though the prevailing theory (which I agree with) is that she'll be a Joker/Traynor/Kelly Chambers-style companion.

Probably way more detail than you wanted, but I just wanted to get my thoughts out there.

The arishok was a rouge...

[azarhal]

Zanallen wrote...

azarhal wrote...

The only officially announced companions are Cassandra, Varric and Vivienne. The rest are all guesses based on concept arts and the leaked survey.

BioWare also said that we probably wouldn't get new companion information until next year...

Though we did see two companions in the GI videos who resembled the Grey Warden and Sera.

They haven't been officially announced, their identity are guesses.

[Zanallen]

azarhal wrote...

They haven't been officially announced, their identity are guesses.

Bearded human male warrior and female elven archer then.

[Cairodin]

esper wrote...

The arishok was a rouge...

That's pretty debatable.  He could dual-wield, sure, but he had a unique moveset.  I think the fact that he dual-wielded two large swords was just a reflection of his immense size and strength as military leader of the Qunari.  Other than that, I don't think I ever saw him demonstrate rogue-type skills and combat mechanics.

Modifié par Cairodin, 23 août 2013 - 09:20 .

[berelinde]

Zanallen wrote...

berelinde wrote...

A trend of 1 game?

BG2 had 5 "mages," more than any other class: Aerie, Imoen, Nalia, Edwin, and Jan. 

It also had alignment restrictions that made it fairly difficult to use all five mages at once. Plus, Imoen wasn't available for a chunk of the game.

As long as you kept your reputation between 8 and 18, you were fine, but that wasn't my point. 5>2. OK, BG2 had 15 companions spread between 6 classes, but (5/15)>(2/9).

I don't think we can really base class ratios on previous games to the exclusion of more practical considerations. It makes sense to offer players choices. When you offer limited skill trees, something I believe will return, you're going to need to offer some variety as to the person who can fill that role.

DAO had two mages, Wynne and Morrigan. I disliked Wynne intensely and only tolerated Morrigan. As a result, I ran a lot of mages. I would have given a lot to have Oghren replaced by another mage. Any mage, really. In DA2, I liked both mages, but some players didn't like either, or felt crippled by the fact that they couldn't deal with Anders. I'm willing to bet those players would have traded one of the other characters for that third mage.

This kind of thing happens all the time, and BioWare knows it. I'd look for balanced class ratios before I looked for historical precedent.

[Volus Warlord]

I thought it was just four.. a pleasant surprise.

[Angrywolves]

I loved Wynne.
Felt her end should have come in a game not a book.
Loved Morrigan as well.
All the DAO characters were memorable for me.
The DA2 characters not so much.
Dorian the human warrior , Sera the elven archer.
Do people buy into the 3 of each class theory?

[esper]

Cairodin wrote...

esper wrote...

The arishok was a rouge...

That's pretty debatable.  He could dual-wield, sure, but he had a unique moveset.  I think the fact that he dual-wielded two large swords was just a reflection of his immense size and strength as military leader of the Qunari.  Other than that, I don't think I ever saw him demonstrate rogue-type skills and combat mechanics.

He definitly used rush which was a rouge abilty, also rouges are master of single target damage in da2, which was what the arishok was best at, versus the melee area damage that warrior dish out. (He was definitly not sword and shield)

So, don't dismiss the fact that Iron Bull (if he is going to exist) could be a rouge, just because of the size of his sword, remeber the Qunari's a suppossed to be giant, so their lesser sword would still be huge, just as a rouge is not a thief or even a scroundel in da, but just some a kind of fighter that relies on dextarity instead of strenght.

(also it would be a nice way to play with our expactations).

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

@Tarek (from page 15)

Hahaha, stop it you're killing me ^^

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

@Angrywolves, Dorian was a tevinter magister not a warrior.

[esper]

berelinde wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

berelinde wrote...

A trend of 1 game?

BG2 had 5 "mages," more than any other class: Aerie, Imoen, Nalia, Edwin, and Jan. 

It also had alignment restrictions that made it fairly difficult to use all five mages at once. Plus, Imoen wasn't available for a chunk of the game.

As long as you kept your reputation between 8 and 18, you were fine, but that wasn't my point. 5>2. OK, BG2 had 15 companions spread between 6 classes, but (5/15)>(2/9).

I don't think we can really base class ratios on previous games to the exclusion of more practical considerations. It makes sense to offer players choices. When you offer limited skill trees, something I believe will return, you're going to need to offer some variety as to the person who can fill that role.

DAO had two mages, Wynne and Morrigan. I disliked Wynne intensely and only tolerated Morrigan. As a result, I ran a lot of mages. I would have given a lot to have Oghren replaced by another mage. Any mage, really. In DA2, I liked both mages, but some players didn't like either, or felt crippled by the fact that they couldn't deal with Anders. I'm willing to bet those players would have traded one of the other characters for that third mage.

This kind of thing happens all the time, and BioWare knows it. I'd look for balanced class ratios before I looked for historical precedent.

da2 and da:a was mostly fair as the rouge, mage, warrior quote was even, at least as long as you don't count sebastian (who was dlc) and the sibling (who countered Hawke and was not there for most of the game).

I sincerely hope bioware learned their lesson with da:o, since the last two games in the series shows sign off this and will continue to give us the equal number of each class.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

@Angrywolves, Dorian was a tevinter magister not a warrior.

[ShadyKat]

Ap0crypha wrote...

9 seems like a fair number to me. Not too few so that you're robbed of choice as to who to bring, but not overstuffed like ME2 so that you never bring some people. It's even better if they do go the 3x3 format like we suspect.

Who I think we'll get:

Warriors:
Cassandra (Human Female TH)
Grey Warden (Human Male S&S)
Unknown Warrior

Rogues:
Varric (Dwarf Male Archer)
Sera (Elven Female DW)
Iron Bull (Tal'Vasoth Male ???)

Mages:
Vivenne (Human Female Damager)
Dorian (Human or Elven Male Healer)
Unknown Mage

I'd like to see a Tal'vasoth female, but with Iron Bull looking to end up on the team I kinda doubt that'll happen. Cole I could see either way; on the one hand he'd be ridiculously overpowered, on the other there's so much potential in his story. Cullen, Leliana, and Painter Girl are all people I see being agents or fulfilling a Travers-esque role.

Never understood why people think we can't get multiple companions of the same race, that aren't human? Awakening had two dwarf companions, why can DA3 have 2 kossith? Beats having 1 dwarf, 1 elf, 1 qunari and 6 humans.

[Tinxa]

If Sera is a companion I hope she got reworked. The survey blurb wasn't really interesting to me, she sounded too much like elven Isabela.

The bearded greywarden doesn't really seem like a companion to me for some reason... I think people rely on the survey and concept art way too much, it's more than likely that many of those characters don't even exist anymore.

[wright1978]

Tinxa wrote...

If Sera is a companion I hope she got reworked. The survey blurb wasn't really interesting to me, she sounded too much like elven Isabela.

The bearded greywarden doesn't really seem like a companion to me for some reason... I think people rely on the survey and concept art way too much, it's more than likely that many of those characters don't even exist anymore.

Well since i adore Isabela i'd probably enjoy Survey Sera.

[Tinxa]

wright1978 wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

If Sera is a companion I hope she got reworked. The survey blurb wasn't really interesting to me, she sounded too much like elven Isabela.

The bearded greywarden doesn't really seem like a companion to me for some reason... I think people rely on the survey and concept art way too much, it's more than likely that many of those characters don't even exist anymore.

Well since i adore Isabela i'd probably enjoy Survey Sera.

I like Isabela too, but I don't want to see the same personality or themes just repacked in another race  Isabela was selfserving too and ran away with the qunari book and the blur said something about "Sera robs from the rich and keeps for herself" that sounded just way too similar and piratey. Of course just a couple of sentences describing a char doesn't sum up all they're about so... it's just a feeling I got from the blurb and it really didn't seem interesting to me too see again.

[Sir George Parr]

Tinxa wrote...

If Sera is a companion I hope she got reworked. The survey blurb wasn't really interesting to me, she sounded too much like elven Isabela.

The bearded greywarden doesn't really seem like a companion to me for some reason... I think people rely on the survey and concept art way too much, it's more than likely that many of those characters don't even exist anymore.

All i took away from her survey blurb was 'bratty'. which didn't sell me on the character. 

[azarhal]

Tinxa wrote...

If Sera is a companion I hope she got reworked. The survey blurb wasn't really interesting to me, she sounded too much like elven Isabela.

The bearded greywarden doesn't really seem like a companion to me for some reason... I think people rely on the survey and concept art way too much, it's more than likely that many of those characters don't even exist anymore.

Or they are agents and/or temporary companions.

[Ianamus]

Tinxa wrote...

If Sera is a companion I hope she got reworked. The survey blurb wasn't really interesting to me, she sounded too much like elven Isabela.

The bearded greywarden doesn't really seem like a companion to me for some reason... I think people rely on the survey and concept art way too much, it's more than likely that many of those characters don't even exist anymore.

The Grey warden was mentioned/shown during one of the early press conferences where they discussed companion armour and hinted at the games scope, not the survey. It's very unlikely he would have been cut after that. 

Modifié par EJ107, 23 août 2013 - 10:20 .

[Angrywolves]

Tevinter magister then.
So we would need a 3rd mage.
Can't see a tal vashoth as a rogue.
More likely a warrior.Still a chance for the much Disliked Tallis., Nathaniel Howe, Bethany, or Charade.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Tinxa wrote...

If Sera is a companion I hope she got reworked. The survey blurb wasn't really interesting to me, she sounded too much like elven Isabela.

The bearded greywarden doesn't really seem like a companion to me for some reason... I think people rely on the survey and concept art way too much, it's more than likely that many of those characters don't even exist anymore.

So..... Zevran?

[Tinxa]

EJ107 wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

If Sera is a companion I hope she got reworked. The survey blurb wasn't really interesting to me, she sounded too much like elven Isabela.

The bearded greywarden doesn't really seem like a companion to me for some reason... I think people rely on the survey and concept art way too much, it's more than likely that many of those characters don't even exist anymore.

The Grey warden was mentioned/shown during one of the early press conferences where they discussed companion armour and hinted at the games scope, not the survey. It's very unlikely he would have been cut after that. 

Or it could have just been a generic greywarden concept art just to show off the armour designs. Almost nothing was known about DAI back then, would they really just show a concept art of a new companion just like that?

[Ianamus]

Tinxa wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

If Sera is a companion I hope she got reworked. The survey blurb wasn't really interesting to me, she sounded too much like elven Isabela.

The bearded greywarden doesn't really seem like a companion to me for some reason... I think people rely on the survey and concept art way too much, it's more than likely that many of those characters don't even exist anymore.

The Grey warden was mentioned/shown during one of the early press conferences where they discussed companion armour and hinted at the games scope, not the survey. It's very unlikely he would have been cut after that. 

Or it could have just been a generic greywarden concept art just to show off the armour designs. Almost nothing was known about DAI back then, would they really just show a concept art of a new companion just like that?

He was alongside Cassandra, who is now a confirmed companion, and they just showed off her artwork there without naming her. I don't see why they would do concept art of a potential companion in many different armours and then show it at a conference unless he was planned to be one, at least at some point. I'm also fairly sure the companions were decided upon by that point. And now we've seen someone who looks very similar in in-game party footage. 

Modifié par EJ107, 23 août 2013 - 10:40 .

[Tinxa]

EJ107 wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

If Sera is a companion I hope she got reworked. The survey blurb wasn't really interesting to me, she sounded too much like elven Isabela.

The bearded greywarden doesn't really seem like a companion to me for some reason... I think people rely on the survey and concept art way too much, it's more than likely that many of those characters don't even exist anymore.

The Grey warden was mentioned/shown during one of the early press conferences where they discussed companion armour and hinted at the games scope, not the survey. It's very unlikely he would have been cut after that. 

Or it could have just been a generic greywarden concept art just to show off the armour designs. Almost nothing was known about DAI back then, would they really just show a concept art of a new companion just like that?

He was alongside Cassandra, who is now a confirmed companion, and they just showed off her artwork there without naming her. I don't see why they would do concept art of a potential companion in many different armours and then show it at a conference unless he was planned to be one, at least at some point. I'm also fairly sure the companions were decided upon by that point. And now we've seen someone who looks very similar in in-game party footage. 

Well Cassandra was a known character so they really weren't showing anything new and then they just needed a couple of variations to show a male warrior... enter generic male greywarden conceptart. I'm guessing the artists do tons of concepts that never get used so why not use some to show off an idea.

Which video has a similar partymember? I haven't noticed.

[Ianamus]

Tinxa wrote...

Well Cassandra was a known character so they really weren't showing anything new and then they just needed a couple of variations to show a male warrior... enter generic male greywarden conceptart. I'm guessing the artists do tons of concepts that never get used so why not use some to show off an idea.

Which video has a similar partymember? I haven't noticed.

In the pre-alpha gameplay video at 1:19. I agree it's not necessarily a confirmation, but people aren't just assuming he's a party member based on concept art or the leak.