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[daveliam]

EJ107 wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

Well Cassandra was a known character so they really weren't showing anything new and then they just needed a couple of variations to show a male warrior... enter generic male greywarden conceptart. I'm guessing the artists do tons of concepts that never get used so why not use some to show off an idea.

Which video has a similar partymember? I haven't noticed.

In the pre-alpha gameplay video at 1:19. I agree it's not necessarily a confirmation, but people aren't just assuming he's a party member based on concept art or the leak. 

Exactly.  The pre-alpha combat footage shows a female elf and a bearded male human as party members.  They won't be cut at this point.  It's certainly speculation that it's Sera and a Grey Warden, but it's speculation that based on evidence.  I know we can't say they are in with 100% certainty since it's still early in the process, but I think it's a pretty safe bet that they are in.

That would be:

Warriors:
Cassandra
Bearded Human Male

Rogues:
Varric
Elf Female

Mages:
Vivienne

Outside of this, it's speculation based from the survey and concept art, which is much less reliable.

[Tideford]

As for the last one or two companions, didn't one of the writers say they were not done telling all of Sebastian's story a year ago or so? Or is my memory not that good.

Btw, I like all the ideas. Especially having a Quinari as a companion. I also like the idea of a Warden. I always liked their blue uniforms in DA2.

[Chanda]

Tideford wrote...

As for the last one or two companions, didn't one of the writers say they were not done telling all of Sebastian's story a year ago or so? Or is my memory not that good.

Btw, I like all the ideas. Especially having a Quinari as a companion. I also like the idea of a Warden. I always liked their blue uniforms in DA2.

I think that was Jennifer Hepler. I remember she did say that his story wasn't finished, yet... But now I'm not sure how he'll fit in. What if people never purchased or downloaded his DLC?

[GwenWasTheFirstGaGa]

I'll be honest, whomever Bioware creates as a line-up of companions they will all pale in comparison to their A-Team, the original companion line-up in Origins. Whether or not you liked 2's party, Origins' was beyond perfect. I hate how people talk so fondly of companions from 2 or refer to them as if they were the best ever. I've played all the installments of the series. I don't think any new companions will impress me. 2's companions felt all too cliche and cookie-cutter like knock-offs from ME's cast. Merril was almost like a Tali. Anders was like Kaidan. Varric like Garrus. Isabela like Miranda. Aveline like Samara.

[AresKeith]

Chanda wrote...

Tideford wrote...

As for the last one or two companions, didn't one of the writers say they were not done telling all of Sebastian's story a year ago or so? Or is my memory not that good.

Btw, I like all the ideas. Especially having a Quinari as a companion. I also like the idea of a Warden. I always liked their blue uniforms in DA2.

I think that was Jennifer Hepler. I remember she did say that his story wasn't finished, yet... But now I'm not sure how he'll fit in. What if people never purchased or downloaded his DLC?

It's probably be one of those instances where he'll appear but have dialogue changed based on whether the DLC was played or not

[vertigomez]

GwenWasTheFirstGaGa wrote...

I'll be honest, whomever Bioware creates as a line-up of companions they will all pale in comparison to their A-Team, the original companion line-up in Origins. Whether or not you liked 2's party, Origins' was beyond perfect. I hate how people talk so fondly of companions from 2 or refer to them as if they were the best ever. I've played all the installments of the series. I don't think any new companions will impress me. 2's companions felt all too cliche and cookie-cutter like knock-offs from ME's cast. Merril was almost like a Tali. Anders was like Kaidan. Varric like Garrus. Isabela like Miranda. Aveline like Samara.

While I don't think the DA2 companions were "the best ever" (well...Varric was ), I disagree that Origins had a perfect line-up. I STILL can't bring myself to really like Leliana or Wynne, and it took me a long time to warm up to Oghren. I'm either ambivalent towards or actively dislike those characters.

Of course, other people hate Alistair / Isabela / Morrigan / Anders, etc. It's all a matter of personal opinion.

[ElitePinecone]

GwenWasTheFirstGaGa wrote...

I'll be honest, whomever Bioware creates as a line-up of companions they will all pale in comparison to their A-Team, the original companion line-up in Origins. Whether or not you liked 2's party, Origins' was beyond perfect. I hate how people talk so fondly of companions from 2 or refer to them as if they were the best ever. I've played all the installments of the series. I don't think any new companions will impress me. 2's companions felt all too cliche and cookie-cutter like knock-offs from ME's cast. Merril was almost like a Tali. Anders was like Kaidan. Varric like Garrus. Isabela like Miranda. Aveline like Samara.

How can you possibly make judgements about something you haven't even played yet? 

When devs said some fans were impossible to satisfy because their favourite thing was always in the past and they wanted no change, ever, I thought that was an exaggeration. But preemptively writing off every future companion because you liked Origins is just bizarre.

[GwenWasTheFirstGaGa]

ElitePinecone wrote...

GwenWasTheFirstGaGa wrote...

I'll be honest, whomever Bioware creates as a line-up of companions they will all pale in comparison to their A-Team, the original companion line-up in Origins. Whether or not you liked 2's party, Origins' was beyond perfect. I hate how people talk so fondly of companions from 2 or refer to them as if they were the best ever. I've played all the installments of the series. I don't think any new companions will impress me. 2's companions felt all too cliche and cookie-cutter like knock-offs from ME's cast. Merril was almost like a Tali. Anders was like Kaidan. Varric like Garrus. Isabela like Miranda. Aveline like Samara.

How can you possibly make judgements about something you haven't even played yet? 

When devs said some fans were impossible to satisfy because their favourite thing was always in the past and they wanted no change, ever, I thought that was an exaggeration. But preemptively writing off every future companion because you liked Origins is just bizarre.

I said think. I'm open-minded enough to play the game first. And my predecided judgment was based off my observations and critique of DA2. I'm allowed to judge based off experience. 

[GwenWasTheFirstGaGa]

mutant_anemone wrote...

GwenWasTheFirstGaGa wrote...

I'll be honest, whomever Bioware creates as a line-up of companions they will all pale in comparison to their A-Team, the original companion line-up in Origins. Whether or not you liked 2's party, Origins' was beyond perfect. I hate how people talk so fondly of companions from 2 or refer to them as if they were the best ever. I've played all the installments of the series. I don't think any new companions will impress me. 2's companions felt all too cliche and cookie-cutter like knock-offs from ME's cast. Merril was almost like a Tali. Anders was like Kaidan. Varric like Garrus. Isabela like Miranda. Aveline like Samara.

While I don't think the DA2 companions were "the best ever" (well...Varric was ), I disagree that Origins had a perfect line-up. I STILL can't bring myself to really like Leliana or Wynne, and it took me a long time to warm up to Oghren. I'm either ambivalent towards or actively dislike those characters.

Of course, other people hate Alistair / Isabela / Morrigan / Anders, etc. It's all a matter of personal opinion.

I put them on a higher pedestal because while they could all fit into certain labels, they offer a variety not yet really seen by Bioware. Wynne was a character not really close to anyone like from ME. Creating the typical "grandmother" type with a safety-first conscious and a fountain of wise experience was pretty different. Not many games let you play alongside an elderly old woman. And Leliana definitely had a more thought-out background than any female from DA2. I mean how would you describe her? You could say she's a romantic, a flirt. But is she really? She's not just this, she's also that. Basically she can fit a bigger range of labels or titles than anyone from the sequel. I know DA:O's cast isn't perfect, but each companion was for the most part something new and fresh from Bioware. 

[berelinde]

GwenWasTheFirstGaGa wrote...

I'll be honest, whomever Bioware creates as a line-up of companions they will all pale in comparison to their A-Team, the original companion line-up in Origins. Whether or not you liked 2's party, Origins' was beyond perfect. I hate how people talk so fondly of companions from 2 or refer to them as if they were the best ever. I've played all the installments of the series. I don't think any new companions will impress me. 2's companions felt all too cliche and cookie-cutter like knock-offs from ME's cast. Merril was almost like a Tali. Anders was like Kaidan. Varric like Garrus. Isabela like Miranda. Aveline like Samara.

Uh... no.

Perhaps *you* preferred the DAO cast to the DA2 cast, but I did not. The only three characters I genuinely liked were Alistair, Zevran, and Shale. Sten and Morrigan were okay, but I wasn't wild about them. I disliked Leliana and Wynne intensely. Comparisons are pointless. Varric was not like Garrus, except in the sense that they were both agreeable and supportive. I'm absolutely positive that Kaidan was not possessed. But hey, if you squint hard enough, you can see whatever you like. I loved every single character of the DA2 OC crew. Of course they had faults. There were times I wanted to strangle each and every one of them, and that's why I liked them so much. Had we been given the option of initiating dialogue at will and thereby getting more "general discussion" topics, it probably would have been even easier to learn to love them, but that's a game mechanic, not a character trait.

We haven't really seen enough to make judgments about *any* of the DAI companions... and I'm trying really hard not to. Vivienne sounds like an imperious diva and Sera has been described as bratty, but my initial impressions have been wrong before. I almost cancelled my DA2 pre-order because I formed such a strong dislike of Isabela in the demo. I thought, "So, here's my Hawke, in this potato sack looking like Sister Chastity and here's this scantily clad tart lapping up all the attention. And here's my Hawke, flirting with her during autodialogue with absolutely no input from me. I really don't need to sit through this for 40+ hours." As it turned out, Isabela became one of my favorite characters in the game. Yeah, her intro still bugs me to some extent because I kinda prefer to do my flirting on my own, but her content throughout the rest of the game more than makes up for a few moments of heavy handedness. I'm really hoping that my doubts about Vivienne and Sera are similarly misplaced.

[Karach_Blade]

I'd love to see a stern elven magister just to shake things up. One who has absolutely zero qualms about reminding the Inquisitor that Tevinter is not merely the remnant of a long-forsaken empire and that said elven magister had to claw his way up the ranks.....I can dream.

[Sylvianus]

The comparison between Anders and Kaidan, or Isabela and Miranda is quite shocking lol.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 24 août 2013 - 03:01 .

[GwenWasTheFirstGaGa]

berelinde wrote...

GwenWasTheFirstGaGa wrote...

I'll be honest, whomever Bioware creates as a line-up of companions they will all pale in comparison to their A-Team, the original companion line-up in Origins. Whether or not you liked 2's party, Origins' was beyond perfect. I hate how people talk so fondly of companions from 2 or refer to them as if they were the best ever. I've played all the installments of the series. I don't think any new companions will impress me. 2's companions felt all too cliche and cookie-cutter like knock-offs from ME's cast. Merril was almost like a Tali. Anders was like Kaidan. Varric like Garrus. Isabela like Miranda. Aveline like Samara.

Uh... no.

Perhaps *you* preferred the DAO cast to the DA2 cast, but I did not. The only three characters I genuinely liked were Alistair, Zevran, and Shale. Sten and Morrigan were okay, but I wasn't wild about them. I disliked Leliana and Wynne intensely. Comparisons are pointless. Varric was not like Garrus, except in the sense that they were both agreeable and supportive. I'm absolutely positive that Kaidan was not possessed. But hey, if you squint hard enough, you can see whatever you like. I loved every single character of the DA2 OC crew. Of course they had faults. There were times I wanted to strangle each and every one of them, and that's why I liked them so much. Had we been given the option of initiating dialogue at will and thereby getting more "general discussion" topics, it probably would have been even easier to learn to love them, but that's a game mechanic, not a character trait.

We haven't really seen enough to make judgments about *any* of the DAI companions... and I'm trying really hard not to. Vivienne sounds like an imperious diva and Sera has been described as bratty, but my initial impressions have been wrong before. I almost cancelled my DA2 pre-order because I formed such a strong dislike of Isabela in the demo. I thought, "So, here's my Hawke, in this potato sack looking like Sister Chastity and here's this scantily clad tart lapping up all the attention. And here's my Hawke, flirting with her during autodialogue with absolutely no input from me. I really don't need to sit through this for 40+ hours." As it turned out, Isabela became one of my favorite characters in the game. Yeah, her intro still bugs me to some extent because I kinda prefer to do my flirting on my own, but her content throughout the rest of the game more than makes up for a few moments of heavy handedness. I'm really hoping that my doubts about Vivienne and Sera are similarly misplaced.

As long as the women are strong and can think for themselves. I won't have a female in my party who is clumsy and can't process a thought without trying to discreetly flirt with me even when I'm a straight female. For the most part, Morrigan/Isabela/Aveline were very bold strong women. Wynne is an old bag so she's excused. That blood mage elf from the sequel was so irritating, she was the weakest most spineless abomination ever. She just oozed weakness. It's why I'm actually a fan of Williams from the ME trilogy. A woman who puts her beliefs before her orders. And can back it up. I don't know much about the women in DA:I. Cassandra seems battle-hardened, I might like her, but if she's jaded in the wrong direction then I might not. They need to tone down the flirtiness the women give off. I appreciate how Zevran/Leiliana were a fine balance of flirtation in Origins. If it was just Leiliana then I could say Bioware made women look portrayed as tramps, but because they made Zevran the way he is then they generously balanced it for both genders. Then in DA2 the balance was tipped, if you didn't play Origins then you'd automatically assume only female companions would be the flirty type. If you're gonna make promiscuous female compansions in DA:I, at least make a male equivalent. Tired of all the Ice Kings. 

[Angrywolves]

We should all agree that character preferences are a matter of individual taste and not argue about it.
I'm thinking Sebastian is more likely the npc leader of a prochantry faction than a party member.

[GwenWasTheFirstGaGa]

Sylvianus wrote...

The comparison between Anders and Kaidan is quite shocking lol.

Shocking? From what I've assessed between them both is biotics is pretty much ME's sci-fi form of magic. Kaidan's emotional baggage comes from his troubled past associated with his biotic capabilities. Same goes for Anders whose trouble was being a mage, which is how all mages are pretty much viewed in DA. It's not entirely the same between the two, but Anders isn't a complete person because of his magic. Originally, Anders had an actual personality in Awakening. In 2 we see he was Kaidan'd, his once jolly joke-cracking nature turned sour, now sullen and boring, when he talks you lost interest in what he's saying because it has to do with his troubled past. Same with Kaidan, when Kaidan talks all you can do is nod and yawn, both men are easy on the eyes and they're the first priority for a romance for the fem protagonist.  

[daveliam]

GwenWasTheFirstGaGa wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

The comparison between Anders and Kaidan is quite shocking lol.

Shocking? From what I've assessed between them both is biotics is pretty much ME's sci-fi form of magic. Kaidan's emotional baggage comes from his troubled past associated with his biotic capabilities. Same goes for Anders whose trouble was being a mage, which is how all mages are pretty much viewed in DA. It's not entirely the same between the two, but Anders isn't a complete person because of his magic. Originally, Anders had an actual personality in Awakening. In 2 we see he was Kaidan'd, his once jolly joke-cracking nature turned sour, now sullen and boring, when he talks you lost interest in what he's saying because it has to do with his troubled past. Same with Kaidan, when Kaidan talks all you can do is nod and yawn, both men are easy on the eyes and they're the first priority for a romance for the fem protagonist.  

I disagree completely.  Kaidan is one of my favorite squadmates and I don't find him boring at all.  Especially given the three game story arc.  But that is neither here nor there since this is about DA: I companions.  I agree with the poster who stated that nothing will be gained by arguing about preferences in past companions.  I liked this thread better when we were focusing on speculation about future companions.

[berelinde]

GwenWasTheFirstGaGa wrote...
If you're gonna make promiscuous female compansions in DA:I, at least make a male equivalent. Tired of all the Ice Kings. 

I don't know if "Ice Kings" is word I would use to describe the men of DA2. Anders is about as emotional as it's possible to be without literally dissolving in a puddle of sentiment (and I love him for that!) and Fenris is Passion in a Bottle ™, but neither one of them are terribly light-hearted... but yeah, at this point, I could use a chill male LI who knows how to have a good time.

That's currently my biggest concern about DAI. We know absolutely nothing about the men. I'd like at least one of the males to be totally casual. Varric? Maybe. We don't know what's going on with his life, but I don't think he'd lose his sense of humor. And he does know how to flirt, even if it didn't go anywhere in DA2.

[Sylvianus]

GwenWasTheFirstGaGa wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

The comparison between Anders and Kaidan is quite shocking lol.

Shocking? From what I've assessed between them both is biotics is pretty much ME's sci-fi form of magic. Kaidan's emotional baggage comes from his troubled past associated with his biotic capabilities. Same goes for Anders whose trouble was being a mage, which is how all mages are pretty much viewed in DA. It's not entirely the same between the two, but Anders isn't a complete person because of his magic. Originally, Anders had an actual personality in Awakening. In 2 we see he was Kaidan'd, his once jolly joke-cracking nature turned sour, now sullen and boring, when he talks you lost interest in what he's saying because it has to do with his troubled past. Same with Kaidan, when Kaidan talks all you can do is nod and yawn, both men are easy on the eyes and they're the first priority for a romance for the fem protagonist.  

It's not even the same at all. Kaidan is rational, reflexive, in control of his emotions, he has no agenda and merely support other people. Mature, reserved, serious.

Anders is a passionate romantic, dreaming of great things, justice, and blah blah blah. He is obsessed with his agenda, freedom for mage. He is not shy, flirts openly with women. (And even with a man in DA) He is emotional, with especially  a bad temper in DAII.

His past has nothing common with that of Kaidan either.

And both are easy on eyes ( I find DAII anders ugly personally but I'm not a girl )... because actually... they are Love Interest. That's the point.

If you find them both boring, well there I can't argue with you, that's your opinion.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 24 août 2013 - 03:21 .

[GwenWasTheFirstGaGa]

berelinde wrote...

GwenWasTheFirstGaGa wrote...
If you're gonna make promiscuous female compansions in DA:I, at least make a male equivalent. Tired of all the Ice Kings. 

I don't know if "Ice Kings" is word I would use to describe the men of DA2. Anders is about as emotional as it's possible to be without literally dissolving in a puddle of sentiment (and I love him for that!) and Fenris is Passion in a Bottle ™, but neither one of them are terribly light-hearted... but yeah, at this point, I could use a chill male LI who knows how to have a good time.

That's currently my biggest concern about DAI. We know absolutely nothing about the men. I'd like at least one of the males to be totally casual. Varric? Maybe. We don't know what's going on with his life, but I don't think he'd lose his sense of humor. And he does know how to flirt, even if it didn't go anywhere in DA2.

Ice King as in incapable of being loved or questioning why you'd want to love him. Like how dare you hit on me, or why would you even want to hit on me, I'm a bad boy. Which is what Anders is. He's an Ice King. Gives you the cold shoulder when you show affection for him. STAY BACK! WE CAN NEVER BE! And here you are with your genitalia practically in your palm. You move an inch towards him, he steps back a mile. But the women are easy prey. Buy Isabela a beer and she'll play your flute. And Merril, at least she was MAKING advances on you. And I don't know about romancing Varric. I'd feel too much like a trophy wife if I was with him. 

[Zu Long]

GwenWasTheFirstGaGa wrote...

I'll be honest, whomever Bioware creates as a line-up of companions they will all pale in comparison to their A-Team, the original companion line-up in Origins. Whether or not you liked 2's party, Origins' was beyond perfect. I hate how people talk so fondly of companions from 2 or refer to them as if they were the best ever. I've played all the installments of the series. I don't think any new companions will impress me. 2's companions felt all too cliche and cookie-cutter like knock-offs from ME's cast. Merril was almost like a Tali. Anders was like Kaidan. Varric like Garrus. Isabela like Miranda. Aveline like Samara.

Eh. I really liked Wynn and Lelianna, Shale and Alistair were pretty good, Sten and Morrigan were okay, and Zevran and Oghren I wasn't interested in.

In DA2 Varric, Merril, Avaline, Isabella, Bethany and Carver were all great characters IMO, Fenris was okay, Sebastian was uninteresting, and Anders earned my undying loathing.

It comes down to personal taste.

Modifié par Zu Long, 24 août 2013 - 03:26 .

[Nethalf]

Zanallen wrote...

Bioware will probably only give us two mage companions in an effort to prevent the all mage party.

Who said all nine companions, or all three mages would accompany us for the whole game? It's possible that DAI would run just like DA2: one guy comes, other guy leaves, so no three mages at the same time.

Modifié par Nethalf, 24 août 2013 - 03:33 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Kaidan is nothing like Anders. Anders in the Mass Effect would have joined Shepard to further his cause while Kaidan would never blow up the chantry. One of the things I like about Kaidan is that he's a very composed individual while Anders would do things without thinking about consequences. I don't see the similarity between those two. I don't really see the similarity between those two.

[GwenWasTheFirstGaGa]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Kaidan is nothing like Anders. Anders in the Mass Effect would have joined Shepard to further his cause while Kaidan would never blow up the chantry. One of the things I like about Kaidan is that he's a very composed individual while Anders would do things without thinking about consequences. I don't see the similarity between those two. I don't really see the similarity between those two.

Please keep in mind there are also two incarnations of Anders. There's Awakening Anders who still has his sanity and wasn't as bold or willing to do things outside his comfort zone. Then there's II Anders who will blow up monasteries to prove a point. 

[ElitePinecone]

berelinde wrote...

GwenWasTheFirstGaGa wrote...
If you're gonna make promiscuous female compansions in DA:I, at least make a male equivalent. Tired of all the Ice Kings. 

I don't know if "Ice Kings" is word I would use to describe the men of DA2. Anders is about as emotional as it's possible to be without literally dissolving in a puddle of sentiment (and I love him for that!) and Fenris is Passion in a Bottle ™, but neither one of them are terribly light-hearted... but yeah, at this point, I could use a chill male LI who knows how to have a good time.

That's currently my biggest concern about DAI. We know absolutely nothing about the men. I'd like at least one of the males to be totally casual. Varric? Maybe. We don't know what's going on with his life, but I don't think he'd lose his sense of humor. And he does know how to flirt, even if it didn't go anywhere in DA2.

Doran, if he's in the game still, could be something like this.

He was initially described as 'brazen and clever', his last name is Latin for peacock, and if he's modelled on anything like Oscar Wilde or Dorian Gray, there'd be a fair amount of hedonism, flirting and wit.