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[Ianamus]

berelinde wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Well... the concept art was  tagged "Iron Bull" by the artist 

In the shot with the flags, yes. Always shown alone, never with anyone who has been identified as a companion. Also remember that Meredith featured quite prominently in DA2's concept art. Several people argued quite adamantly that she was a companion. Cassandra, too, as I recall.

I've got nothing against the guy. I just haven't seen anything that would prove that he isn't an agent or some other NPC.

Maybe. "Agents" seem to be nothing more than a numbered resource though, so I don't think they are actually prominent NPC's. 

I just think that having appeared in the trailer and concept art makes him more  likely to be a companion than Cullen, who has appeared in neither (Not counting the war room concept art because I'm still really not sure that even is  Cullen). It by no means guarantee's it. 

Modifié par EJ107, 07 septembre 2013 - 12:32 .

[Battlebloodmage]

MasterScribe wrote...

If Cullen is a companion, he'll be the first to die.

Vivienne will publicly execute him.

That bland, obnoxious idiot deserves to die by a mage's hand.

That's cool by me, Cullen fans would be satisfied as long as he's in the game. I don't care what kind of S&M other people want to do with him.

[vertigomez]

What are the chances of Moustache Guy being a companion? He looked pretty cool.

And I haven't seen the Iron Bull concept art; was he a warrior, or are people just assuming that? I'd like to see a qunari rogue.

[berelinde]

EJ107 wrote...

berelinde wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Well... the concept art was  tagged "Iron Bull" by the artist 

In the shot with the flags, yes. Always shown alone, never with anyone who has been identified as a companion. Also remember that Meredith featured quite prominently in DA2's concept art. Several people argued quite adamantly that she was a companion. Cassandra, too, as I recall.

I've got nothing against the guy. I just haven't seen anything that would prove that he isn't an agent or some other NPC.

Maybe. "Agents" seem to be nothing more than a numbered resoirce though, so I don't think they are actually prominent NPC's. 

I just think that having appeared in the trailer and concept art makes him more  likely to be a companion than Cullen, who has appeared in neither. It by no means guarantee's it. 

The trailer showed a qunari. There was nothing in the context to suggest that he was a companion, or even the Iron Bull at all. There is more than one qunari in the world. In fact, the context seemed to suggest that he could be an antagonist.

As others have said, you don't see Cullen in the "War Room" painting, but others do. If you look at the high-res image, it really does look like him.

Does the Iron Bull have any kind of signature look that would set him apart from any other qunari? Not really. It's just horned guys standing alone on hillsides or getting rained on. By themselves. Could be anybody, really.

Edit: About the agents, I imagine that most of them *will* be nothing more than a numbered resource, but it's possible that individuals may have more prominent roles. There's concept art that shows agents reporting to the inquisitor. One of them is a qunari. Going by the survey description "Prefers to work alone," that makes sense.

Modifié par berelinde, 07 septembre 2013 - 12:41 .

[Battlebloodmage]

MasterScribe wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

If Cullen is a companion, he'll be the first to die.

Vivienne will publicly execute him.

That bland, obnoxious idiot deserves to die by a mage's hand.

I don't care what kind of S&M other people want to do with him.

 You people have problems.

I'm not the one who make many comments about a character I don't care for. <_<

[Former_Fiend]

You know, the more I think about it the more it does make sense to have Cullen be a companion. Gives you the templar perspective, gives you the templar specialization, gives people who are into that a potential LI.

I still don't want him to be a companion though. The potential for the Grey Warden and Iron Bull fascinates me, and I'd much rather have them in the party and have Cullen be a major npc.

[Alejandrawrr]

As much as I've wanted Cullen as a companion for a while, I'd definitely take Iron Bull over him if necessary, as (based on what we know) he brings more to the story in terms of diversity than Cullen does. Powerful, fun Tal Vashoth merc > another human (or elf) male companion who will probably be brooding/overly introspective over his backstory. Plus last time we saw him he was neither here nor there personality-wise. I think I would have been more optimistic about his chances if the last we saw of him was as the crazed murderer of innocent mages, but his persona in DA2 doesn't seem anywhere near dynamic enough to bring anything to the story. Of course, we have seen the writers alter the direction of a character's personality between games before, so this doesn't outright exclude him, but it does lower his chances IMO.

[spoilers?] I do think the one thing working against IB being a companion is IIRC, that Witcher forum leak that said there was an agent faction called the "Iron Fists" or something to that effect... And didn't his description mention him as a mercenary leader? He could be an ally leading said group, but not an actual companion :/ I'd certainly hope that's not the case, but we'll see. [/spoilers]

Modifié par Alejandrawrr, 07 septembre 2013 - 12:43 .

[Chanda]

Former_Fiend wrote...

You know, the more I think about it the more it does make sense to have Cullen be a companion. Gives you the templar perspective, gives you the templar specialization, gives people who are into that a potential LI.

I still don't want him to be a companion though. The potential for the Grey Warden and Iron Bull fascinates me, and I'd much rather have them in the party and have Cullen be a major npc.

I'd like to have all three.

[Battlebloodmage]

Chanda wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

You know, the more I think about it the more it does make sense to have Cullen be a companion. Gives you the templar perspective, gives you the templar specialization, gives people who are into that a potential LI.

I still don't want him to be a companion though. The potential for the Grey Warden and Iron Bull fascinates me, and I'd much rather have them in the party and have Cullen be a major npc.

I'd like to have all three.

I would like to as well. 4 warriors are a-okay with me since I'm playing as a mage, a tank is pretty necessary. 

[Chanda]

Alejandrawrr wrote...

As much as I've wanted Cullen as a companion for a while, I'd definitely take Iron Bull over him if necessary, as (based on what we know) he brings more to the story in terms of diversity than Cullen does. Powerful, fun Tal Vashoth merc > another human (or elf) male companion who will probably be brooding/overly introspective over his backstory. Plus last time we saw him he was neither here nor there personality-wise. I think I would have been more optimistic about his chances if the last we saw of him was as the crazed murderer of innocent mages, but his persona in DA2 doesn't seem anywhere near dynamic enough to bring anything to the story. Of course, we have seen the writers alter the direction of a character's personality between games before, so this doesn't outright exclude him, but it does lower his chances IMO.

[spoilers?] I do think the one thing working against IB being a companion is IIRC, that Witcher forum leak that said there was an agent faction called the "Iron Fists" or something to that effect... And didn't his description mention him as a mercenary leader? He could be an ally leaing said group, but not an actual companion :/ I'd certainly hope that's not the case, but we'll see. [/spoilers]

That's a really good point. I had forgotten about him being a leader of a group of mercenaries, and that does fit the "Iron Fists" description. Also that Leliana is in the game, but not a companion, and the leak said she was with the "Purple Crows". So maybe the Scribe girl is with the "Golden Keys" faction? If there's any truth to that leak, I mean.

[Tinxa]

Chanda wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

You know, the more I think about it the more it does make sense to have Cullen be a companion. Gives you the templar perspective, gives you the templar specialization, gives people who are into that a potential LI.

I still don't want him to be a companion though. The potential for the Grey Warden and Iron Bull fascinates me, and I'd much rather have them in the party and have Cullen be a major npc.

I'd like to have all three.

Iron bull could be a rogue companion. He's a mercenary, mercenaries are also rogues, Cullen is a warrior companion... everybody wins

[Mr Fixit]

C'mon guys, Iron Bull has extremely recognisable horns that look like...wait for it... bull horns.

As for "Cullen" in war council concept art, that guy has armor suspiciously like the bearded Warden guy. Identical really. Go look it up.

[Battlebloodmage]

Tinxa wrote...

Chanda wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

You know, the more I think about it the more it does make sense to have Cullen be a companion. Gives you the templar perspective, gives you the templar specialization, gives people who are into that a potential LI.

I still don't want him to be a companion though. The potential for the Grey Warden and Iron Bull fascinates me, and I'd much rather have them in the party and have Cullen be a major npc.

I'd like to have all three.

Iron bull could be a rogue companion. He's a mercenary, mercenaries are also rogues, Cullen is a warrior companion... everybody wins

[vertigomez]

Tinxa wrote...

Chanda wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

You know, the more I think about it the more it does make sense to have Cullen be a companion. Gives you the templar perspective, gives you the templar specialization, gives people who are into that a potential LI.

I still don't want him to be a companion though. The potential for the Grey Warden and Iron Bull fascinates me, and I'd much rather have them in the party and have Cullen be a major npc.

I'd like to have all three.

Iron bull could be a rogue companion. He's a mercenary, mercenaries are also rogues, Cullen is a warrior companion... everybody wins

This! I don't see why he couldn't be a rogue, unless the concept art has him wielding a two-hander or something. He could be a former Tallis!

[Battlebloodmage]

Mr Fixit wrote...

C'mon guys, Iron Bull has extremely recognisable horns that look like...wait for it... bull horns.

As for "Cullen" in war council concept art, that guy has armor suspiciously like the bearded Warden guy. Identical really. Go look it up.

So the grey warden shaved and dye his hair after joining then? Man, that guy is metro.  

[Mr Fixit]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Mr Fixit wrote...

C'mon guys, Iron Bull has extremely recognisable horns that look like...wait for it... bull horns.

As for "Cullen" in war council concept art, that guy has armor suspiciously like the bearded Warden guy. Identical really. Go look it up.

So the grey warden shaved and dye his hair after joining then? Man, that guy is metro.  

So Cullen ambushed a Grey Warden and took the armor off his sexy bearded corpse.:innocent:

EDIT: Just as Sera and Cassandra changed their hair half a dozen times in various art and/or footage.

Modifié par Mr Fixit, 07 septembre 2013 - 12:55 .

[Alejandrawrr]

Former_Fiend wrote...

You know, the more I think about it the more it does make sense to have Cullen be a companion. Gives you the templar perspective, gives you the templar specialization, gives people who are into that a potential LI.

I still don't want him to be a companion though. The potential for the Grey Warden and Iron Bull fascinates me, and I'd much rather have them in the party and have Cullen be a major npc.

I also think the 4 warriors thing doesn't necessarily HAVE to be a big problem, depending on the class system. If they did something similar to DA2's custom companion specialization system (where they all had unique preset specializations in addition to the skill trees) but make it more expansive, I don't think that many warriors would be an issue. I can easily see them making his Templar specialization distict enough, perhaps emphasizing the magical/lyrium effects templar deal with, making it a little closer to a traditional "paladin/magical warrior" archetype... Without going too far OTT and away from the lore by having him fling fireballs or anything. Just a thought.

[Chanda]

Here's another argument for Cullen:

With having Vivienne as our pro-Circle mage, we need someone who represents the pro-Templar side of things. Cullen is level-headed and has seen when things go too far either way. With the Mage-Templar conflict being one of the big points in the game, we need companions that represent both sides of the coin.

And no, Cassandra doesn't count. She is not a Templar, she's a Seeker. Those are two different things.

[franciscoamell]

Chanda wrote...

And no, Cassandra doesn't count. She is not a Templar, she's a Seeker. Those are two different things.

Well, she can be pro templar without being a templar herself, can't she? Like Fenris and Aveline for instance...

[Battlebloodmage]

Mr Fixit wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Mr Fixit wrote...

C'mon guys, Iron Bull has extremely recognisable horns that look like...wait for it... bull horns.

As for "Cullen" in war council concept art, that guy has armor suspiciously like the bearded Warden guy. Identical really. Go look it up.

So the grey warden shaved and dye his hair after joining then? Man, that guy is metro.  

So Cullen ambushed a Grey Warden and took the armor off his sexy bearded corpse.:innocent:

EDIT: Just as Sera and Cassandra changed their hair half a dozen times in various art and/or footage.

Cassandra seems to always have short hair. I would think that the beard would be the Grey Warden's signature look seeing as how he has it in all of his appearances in survey, concept game, and in-game appearance. I would assume the change on Sera is because they haven't nailed down her signature look yet seeing as how she was supposed to have a mohawk like in DA2. 

[Mr Fixit]

Chanda wrote...

And no, Cassandra doesn't count.

Saying that Cassandra doesn't count doesn't count.

No really, it doesn't! I swear!

[Mr Fixit]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Cassandra seems to always have short hair. 

Unfortunately, not true.

[Battlebloodmage]

franciscoamell wrote...

Chanda wrote...

And no, Cassandra doesn't count. She is not a Templar, she's a Seeker. Those are two different things.

Well, she can be pro templar without being a templar herself, can't she? Like Fenris and Aveline for instance...

She's pro-chantry, and a lot of the templars are no longer a part of the chantry.

[berelinde]

franciscoamell wrote...

Chanda wrote...

And no, Cassandra doesn't count. She is not a Templar, she's a Seeker. Those are two different things.

Well, she can be pro templar without being a templar herself, can't she? Like Fenris and Aveline for instance...

Depending on how Varric's interrogation went down, she may not be pro-templar at all. She may speak with a chantry perspective, not a templar one. Plus, you can't really assume that everybody who was once a templar still is.