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[Battlebloodmage]

Mr Fixit wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Cassandra seems to always have short hair. 

Unfortunately, not true.

Can you show me a concept art of her with long hair? Even if there is, it still doesn't negate my point about the Grey Warden in regard of his signature look which has stayed consistent throughout.

[Battlebloodmage]

[quote]MasterScribe wrote...

[quote]Battlebloodmage wrote...

[/quote]I'm not the one who make many comments about a character I don't care for. <_<
[/quote]

I have a vested interest in protecting my woman from that SOB.

[/quote]Cullen and Cassandra's ideology is very similar on the surface. I don't see much conflict between those two. What do you need to protect her from? 

[Battlebloodmage]

MasterScribe wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Mr Fixit wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Cassandra seems to always have short hair. 

Unfortunately, not true.

Can you show me a concept art of her with long hair? Even if there is, it still doesn't negate my point about the Grey Warden in regard of his signature look which has stayed consistent throughout.

http://dragonage.wik...nceptart009.jpg

http://dragonage.wik...nceptart001.jpg

That's DA2 concept art. Her look was locked down for DAI. 

[franciscoamell]

berelinde wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Chanda wrote...

And no, Cassandra doesn't count. She is not a Templar, she's a Seeker. Those are two different things.

Well, she can be pro templar without being a templar herself, can't she? Like Fenris and Aveline for instance...

Depending on how Varric's interrogation went down, she may not be pro-templar at all. She may speak with a chantry perspective, not a templar one. Plus, you can't really assume that everybody who was once a templar still is.

I never said that she is pro-templar, I just said she can be without being a templar herself.

[ElitePinecone]

EJ107 wrote...

I thought he was originally but now I think it's a companion. I haven't seen anyone actually prove that it's the Inquisitor. If they do I'll change my mind. 

The character is wearing a red sash, which most if not all of the Inquisitors in concept art have been wearing.

That's the (small) problem with concept art that keeps changing the appearance of the Inquisitor, IMO, people will *constantly* assume they're a new, unannounced character or a new companion, when it's just a variation of the protagonist.

The same thing happened with the female dwarven Inquisitor in the fortress concept art with Elfy McSmugs. People were assuming she was a new character, or even Leliana.

[Alejandrawrr]

Chanda wrote...

Alejandrawrr wrote...

As much as I've wanted Cullen as a companion for a while, I'd definitely take Iron Bull over him if necessary, as (based on what we know) he brings more to the story in terms of diversity than Cullen does. Powerful, fun Tal Vashoth merc > another human (or elf) male companion who will probably be brooding/overly introspective over his backstory. Plus last time we saw him he was neither here nor there personality-wise. I think I would have been more optimistic about his chances if the last we saw of him was as the crazed murderer of innocent mages, but his persona in DA2 doesn't seem anywhere near dynamic enough to bring anything to the story. Of course, we have seen the writers alter the direction of a character's personality between games before, so this doesn't outright exclude him, but it does lower his chances IMO.

[spoilers?] I do think the one thing working against IB being a companion is IIRC, that Witcher forum leak that said there was an agent faction called the "Iron Fists" or something to that effect... And didn't his description mention him as a mercenary leader? He could be an ally leaing said group, but not an actual companion :/ I'd certainly hope that's not the case, but we'll see. [/spoilers]

That's a really good point. I had forgotten about him being a leader of a group of mercenaries, and that does fit the "Iron Fists" description. Also that Leliana is in the game, but not a companion, and the leak said she was with the "Purple Crows". So maybe the Scribe girl is with the "Golden Keys" faction? If there's any truth to that leak, I mean.

[spoilers again~] Yeah, at this point I'd definitely be more surprised to see Leliana as a companion than not. As far as the leak's actual validity, I normally take such things with a massive grain of salt, but there were a few things that pointed to it being more than a coincidence. Mainly the "Red Templars" mention months before we got word of them, I think they mentioned the Iron Fist/Purple Crow/Golden Keys thing before we heard of having ally factions, and u... something else that escapes me. The only thing that seems slightly dubious is the mention of the Red Templar business as a main plot, when in the gameplay video the devs showed us the fight with them specifically because it contained the least amount of spoilers. At any rate that's veering off into slightly OT territory.

Now that I think on it, one of the arguments or perceived justifications I've been hearing around here for Iron Bull being a companion is that he'd provide a potential LI for a fem!qunisitor (or a cute little 'beauty and the beast' thing with a human or elf girl ), but I'm reminded that the devs only decided to throw qunari in as playable races pretty recently, enough that I'd think it is possible they have LIs and companions in general set in stone, and wouldn't want to risk messing with the script to accomodate the newly playable race. In this case I could see him at best being unromanceable or a DLC/expansion companion, and at worst just being an unplayable ally like mentioned above.

[Mr Fixit]

Anyway, what's with all these weird quasi-fetishes regarding almost- to completely irrelevant characters like Charade, Dagna and (whispering) Cullen.

And yes, that was a deliberate exaggeration. Please don't post essays on how I fail to understand the complexity of those fine people.

[ElitePinecone]

berelinde wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Well... the concept art was  tagged "Iron Bull" by the artist 

In the shot with the flags, yes. Always shown alone, never with anyone who has been identified as a companion. Also remember that Meredith featured quite prominently in DA2's concept art. Several people argued quite adamantly that she was a companion. Cassandra, too, as I recall.

I've got nothing against the guy. I just haven't seen anything that would prove that he isn't an agent or some other NPC.

His synopsis in last year's survey leak contained what I would call his "companion arc" - that after ten years of being a mercenary, something in his past was catching up with him. All four character bios (Dorian, Sera, Cole, Iron Bull) had those sort of plot hooks that could indicate their personal plots.

Finally, the DAI website has a screenshot of Iron Bull with "Friend or Foe?" - an antagonist wouldn't have that ambiguity.

Even if Iron Bull is initially working against the Inquisitor, I'm almost certain that he'll be an option for a companion at some point.

[Mr Fixit]

Alejandrawrr wrote...
it is possible they have LIs and companions in general set in stone, and wouldn't want to risk messing with the script to accomodate the newly playable race. In this case I could see (Iron Bull) at best being unromanceable

"Oh my sweet summer child, what do you know of romance? Romance is for the winter when fanrage falls a hundred feet deep. Romance is for the long night when developers hide their faces for years at a time and writers are born and live and die all in darkness."

Modifié par Mr Fixit, 07 septembre 2013 - 01:27 .

[keightdee]

Mr Fixit wrote...

"Oh my sweet summer child, what do you know of romance? Romance is for the winter when fanrage falls a hundred feet deep. Romance is for the long night when developers hide their faces for years at a time and writers are born and live and die all in darkness."

Bless you.

[keightdee]

Filament wrote...

keightdee wrote...

Speaking of companions, can someone explain to me how to make my forum an image hosted off-site? Because this needs to happen or I might die:

You mean how to upload a custom avatar? Here is a tutorial.

I DID IT AHAHAHA YESSSS
Thank you!

[fiveforchaos]

ElitePinecone wrote...

berelinde wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Well... the concept art was  tagged "Iron Bull" by the artist 

In the shot with the flags, yes. Always shown alone, never with anyone who has been identified as a companion. Also remember that Meredith featured quite prominently in DA2's concept art. Several people argued quite adamantly that she was a companion. Cassandra, too, as I recall.

I've got nothing against the guy. I just haven't seen anything that would prove that he isn't an agent or some other NPC.

His synopsis in last year's survey leak contained what I would call his "companion arc" - that after ten years of being a mercenary, something in his past was catching up with him. All four character bios (Dorian, Sera, Cole, Iron Bull) had those sort of plot hooks that could indicate their personal plots.

Finally, the DAI website has a screenshot of Iron Bull with "Friend or Foe?" - an antagonist wouldn't have that ambiguity.

Even if Iron Bull is initially working against the Inquisitor, I'm almost certain that he'll be an option for a companion at some point.

Sounds like they're pulling a Legion. Prior to ME2 it was the creepy stalker Geth in any of their marketing material.

[fiveforchaos]

Mr Fixit wrote...

Anyway, what's with all these weird quasi-fetishes regarding almost- to completely irrelevant characters like Charade, Dagna and (whispering) Cullen.

And yes, that was a deliberate exaggeration. Please don't post essays on how I fail to understand the complexity of those fine people.

Dagna, as "Dwarven Mage" is makes for a very interesting character concept with a lot of potential. A magic expert with a natural resistance to magic can bring a lot to the table. (Did my very best to keep this super-short, I'm one of those "Quasi-fetishists" when it comes to Dagna).

Cullen is first of all, very cute. Secondly, minus that one crazy episode after being mentally totured by blood mages, he seems to be a good example of how a templar should actually behave. He doesn't hate mages, but he's going to do whatever it takes to make sure they aren't a danger to themselves or others. 

Charade: I have not idea I keep missing her quest, a pity because it sounds pretty intriguing. 

When it comes down to it, you've got concepts that struck a lot of people as interesting. Some of those people really grew to love those concepts, and thus you have small fandoms built around relatively minor characters.

Modifié par fiveforchaos, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:56 .

[Spectre slayer]

berelinde wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

People are acting that Iron bull is as good as confirmed but it's no more likely at this stage that Iron bull is a companion than that Cullen is a companion

On all the artwork and screenshots of Iron bull he is alone so he could be an antagonist or an agent/plot NPC just as easily.

I don't see how a character with concept art and in-game appearances is as likely as a character with no concept or in-game appearances. 

There's nothing to say that the qunari we've seen in the trailer/concept art is the Iron Bull. The inquisitor can be qunari. The male next to Flaily Hands guy in Matt Rhodes's "War Room" bears a striking resemblance to Cullen. He isn't in templar gear, but after what happened in Kirkwall, Cullen may have been forced out of the templars or left voluntarily.

Of course, not everyone in that painting is a companion. Not everyone in any of the concept art is a companion, and that applies to qunari, too.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter. The companions are already decided. We're just squabbling over who's predictions are closest, and we won't find out the answer to that until next year.

You do realize that Rhodes himself tagged the concept of that Qunari as the Iron Bull and you say that there's no similarities in his concept are of the Iron Bull and the one from the trailer and GI is that right Hmm oh.

The Iron Bull is he was in the reveal trailer about 34-38 seconds in he has the same armour type, the scar and the beard, the game informer cover story and finally Matt Rhodes concept art, he's wearing the same armour and on his left armguard is the x also the sword looks to be the same judging by his armor he might be a rogue but could be a warrior who knows.

http://mattrhodesart.tumblr.com/


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Take a look at his right armguard the same X is there just like the Iron Bull all of these are the Iron Bull images the small one is mine.


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[LandiousDawn]

Regarding the 'Iron Bull', in the concept art of him in front of a bunch of flags you can see that one of his eyes is scarred, and in the 'Fires Above' Teaser, the qunari you see looks like he has the same scarring on one of his eyes when he briefly turns his head to the side. This makes it look like it is the same guy in the concept art and the trailer. Not only that, but they have the same weird horns that none of the other qunari we've seen have. The developers have mentioned redesigning the dragons and elves, but nothing about redesigning the qunari, which makes me think that he has unique horns among his race.
I noticed people commenting about some 'Iron Fist' mercenary company earlier, which kind of excited me. If the Iron Bull is the leader of the Iron Fist (which sounds pretty convenient) then it could hint that we're going to see a quest line where we go out and recruit the Fists into the Inquisition army, and bring their leader along with us as a companion. That'd be cool!

[ElitePinecone]

It's worth keeping in mind that the "leak" a few days ago that mentioned Iron Fists and Golden Keys could be entirely fictional, or malicious trolling. Nobody has been able to find any evidence of the original post, and it was posted after we'd already had confirmation that the Red Templars were in the game - not before.

It's really... not helpful... to believe every screenshot that claims to have information about DA:I, just because it was posted on a forum with someone claiming it as truth. I was deeply, deeply skeptical of last year's marketing survey leak until it was proven beyond reasonable doubt to be accurate. I'm going to remain deeply skeptical of this one, until more evidence comes out to support it.

fiveforchaos wrote...

Dagna, as "Dwarven Mage" is makes for a very interesting character concept with a lot of potential. A magic expert with a natural resistance to magic can bring a lot to the table. (Did my very best to keep this super-short, I'm one of those "Quasi-fetishists" when it comes to Dagna).

Dagna was actually mentioned in the PAX demo as 'Artificier Dagna' in an information box about a task that the Inquisition could carry out. From the context it sounded like she was an important NPC who could improve/help the Inquisition with inventions or artifacts.



If I had to guess, she'll be at the fortress-home base thing.

[GloriousDame]

Mr Fixit wrote...

I think Cullen is unlikely for several reasons:

1. Overload of HUMAN warriors. If the class spread is 3-3-3, it would mean all warriors are human.
2. Similar plot and character position to Cassandra. Both are human warriors with (former?) links to the Chantry. Both are decent people with a strong sense of duty and personal reasons to distrust mages.

             
1.      This is a nonissue issue. I personally don’t see the problem in having an all human class, as there won’t be a definite lack of diversity; even if all our warriors end up being human, there won’t be a lack of, say, elves, etc.  In DAO, though we only had two mages, both were not only human but also female. But I do see your point.

2.      There’s nothing bad with Cassandra and Cullen having some links.  In Origins, both Leliana and Alistair had links to the Chantry, and shared the same moral compass, though they did not have the same faith in the Chantry as one another.  Leliana and Alistair were very similar in some respects (Like I said, their morals were very much alike, and they both left the Chantry as adults with Alistair getting conscripted and Leliana fleeing), but they also differed (Leliana was always very much devoted to the Maker and faithful to the Chantry, yet Alistair remained an uncertain questioner of the Chantry institution). So, if anything, Cassandra and Cullen would mirror Leliana and Alistair, since both have links to the Chantry, and they neither one strays far from a shared moral line.

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(Not directed to Mr. Fixit)

As for the people saying
characters like Dagna or Cullen are bland, whiny, etc. Well: Cullen was imprisoned,
and tortured by crazy extremists that he once was friends with in a place that
was supposed to represent safety (after all, mages and templars alike called
the Circle their home). I guarantee that if ANY of us were imprisoned and tortured
by friends, we would, at the very least, take a moment to complain, and we
would also question the stance that previously held our loyalty.  On your next playthrough, play as a mage (male,
female) in Origins and DA2, get to know the guy before judging.  And if you have already done so, I pity your
inability to see depth where there’s plenty to be had. 

And Dagna? She has an amazing potential! Having grown up in a closed-off place
where they tell scary stories about the outside world (you’ll fall into the
sky!), where they also hold traditions very near and dear, and having the guts
and pursue something doesn’t follow caste or tradition in a place with people
your people shun (in some ways)- just imagine that adversity.  And to be so young to go for it, too! I’d
love to see Dagna again! And as for the person that said they didn't want a paragraph on something like this- what did you expect? It's an opinions thread. XD
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Battlebloodmage wrote...

Are Cullen fans blood mages that can make Bioware do
whatever they want? Despite David Gaider stated many times that he would
not write a character just because the fans demand it. If Cullen were
in the game as companion, it would be because David wants him to, not
because the fans want him to.

What?  First of all, the likelyhood that Cullen is a companion is very much low, precicely because DG wouldn't want him to be.  Secondly, a lot of the support Cullen gets, is often passed off as superficial when it's everything but (story, etc. see above and elsewhere that supporters post about Cullen being a valuable character).  But don't worry about having him in your party. Edit: Yup. I agree with you 100%.

Modifié par ArinTheirinCousland, 07 septembre 2013 - 06:49 .

[Chanda]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Are Cullen fans blood mages that can make Bioware do
whatever they want? Despite David Gaider stated many times that he would
not write a character just because the fans demand it. If Cullen were
in the game as companion, it would be because David wants him to, not
because the fans want him to.

What?  First of all, the likelyhood that Cullen is a companion is very much low, precicely because DG wouldn't want him to be.  Secondly, a lot of the support Cullen gets, is often passed off as superficial when it's everything but (story, etc. see above and elsewhere that supporters post about Cullen being a valuable character).  But don't worry about having him in your party.

BattleBloodMage actually supports having Cullen as a companion, his/her response was to someone who said that if Cullen was in the party, it was because of Bioware giving into his fans. He/she basically meant that Cullen's fans have really no pull over what Bioware adds to their game or does not add to their game.

[GloriousDame]

Chanda wrote...

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Are Cullen fans blood mages that can make Bioware do
whatever they want? Despite David Gaider stated many times that he would
not write a character just because the fans demand it. If Cullen were
in the game as companion, it would be because David wants him to, not
because the fans want him to.

What?  First of all, the likelyhood that Cullen is a companion is very much low, precicely because DG wouldn't want him to be.  Secondly, a lot of the support Cullen gets, is often passed off as superficial when it's everything but (story, etc. see above and elsewhere that supporters post about Cullen being a valuable character).  But don't worry about having him in your party.

BattleBloodMage actually supports having Cullen as a companion, his/her response was to someone who said that if Cullen was in the party, it was because of Bioware giving into his fans. He/she basically meant that Cullen's fans have really no pull over what Bioware adds to their game or does not add to their game.

Ah, thank you. I'll have to edit my post now.   I went back to just a few that quickly caught my eye.  Bad habit!

*poker face*

[Vapaa]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

 In DAO, though we only had two mages, both were not only human but also female. But I do see your point.

Again, DAO is not a paragon of balance and equality, not only there was an over-abundance of warriors, but also all warriors were male and all mages were women, leading to unfortunate implications

DA2 is the way to go; each class had both genders and different races (it's also the case in DAA)

But for Cullen, the fact that he's human is not what bugs, me it's that he is human AND former pro-Chantry AND a charcter that has high morals, etc....it's the whole package that feels redundant with Cssandra, not just the human warrior thing

[GloriousDame]

Vapaä wrote...

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

 In DAO, though we only had two mages, both were not only human but also female. But I do see your point.

Again, DAO is not a paragon of balance and equality, not only there was an over-abundance of warriors, but also all warriors were male and all mages were women, leading to unfortunate implications

DA2 is the way to go; each class had both genders and different races (it's also the case in DAA)

But for Cullen, the fact that he's human is not what bugs, me it's that he is human AND former pro-Chantry AND a charcter that has high morals, etc....it's the whole package that feels redundant with Cssandra, not just the human warrior thing

At this point, he seems like he'd be more angsty and disillutioned than still pro-Chantry (though, yes I did notice you said former), and this, added with his background and what I have already said about Cass/Cullen being a good fit for the party because we don't know whether they'll disagree on major issues (which I think would be the case).  I still see Cass/Cullen as a good set like Leliana and Alistair. As for the morals, you're always going to have multiple characters with similar morals (like Varric and Isabela, etc.).

But with 9 characters, there's no way to have the perfect balance because one race would always be less in numbers... Unless we had Cole and he didn't count as male/female or a specific race since he would be an entity of sorts.  I guess??

Modifié par ArinTheirinCousland, 07 septembre 2013 - 07:15 .

[Vapaa]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...
I still see Cass/Cullen as a good set like Leliana and Alistair.

Leli/Ali are very different; one is an Orlesian bard the other is a Ferelden almost templar, for Cass/Cullen, they're both former Chantry, and thus I much prefer having the Iron bull as the third soldier

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...
As for the morals, you're always going to have multiple characters with similar morals (like Varric and Isabela, etc.).

Varric and Isa were quite different, the problem is not really that Cullen feels redondant, but that he would take the slot of a companion that isn't redondant

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...
But with 9 characters, there's no way to have the perfect balance because one race would always be less in numbers... Unless we had Cole and he didn't count as male/female or a specific race since he would be an entity of sorts.  I guess??

Yes, can't achive the parfect balance but you can get close enough...I think the most important balance is the class balance, and the number 9 is perfect for that

[fiveforchaos]

Chanda wrote...

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Are Cullen fans blood mages that can make Bioware do
whatever they want? Despite David Gaider stated many times that he would
not write a character just because the fans demand it. If Cullen were
in the game as companion, it would be because David wants him to, not
because the fans want him to.

What?  First of all, the likelyhood that Cullen is a companion is very much low, precicely because DG wouldn't want him to be.  Secondly, a lot of the support Cullen gets, is often passed off as superficial when it's everything but (story, etc. see above and elsewhere that supporters post about Cullen being a valuable character).  But don't worry about having him in your party.

BattleBloodMage actually supports having Cullen as a companion, his/her response was to someone who said that if Cullen was in the party, it was because of Bioware giving into his fans. He/she basically meant that Cullen's fans have really no pull over what Bioware adds to their game or does not add to their game.

Perhaps fans asking for Cullen might not have had any pull, but their presence probably does. Cullen had a pretty minor role in DA:O, Bioware may have written him off entirely as a character were it not for the fanbase.