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[GloriousDame]

Vapaä wrote...

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...
I still see Cass/Cullen as a good set like Leliana and Alistair.

Leli/Ali are very different; one is an Orlesian bard the other is a Ferelden almost templar, for Cass/Cullen, they're both former Chantry, and thus I much prefer having the Iron bull as the third soldier

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...
As for the morals, you're always going to have multiple characters with similar morals (like Varric and Isabela, etc.).

Varric and Isa were quite different, the problem is not really that Cullen feels redondant, but that he would take the slot of a companion that isn't redondant

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...
But with 9 characters, there's no way to have the perfect balance because one race would always be less in numbers... Unless we had Cole and he didn't count as male/female or a specific race since he would be an entity of sorts.  I guess??

Yes, can't achive the parfect balance but you can get close enough...I think the most important balance is the class balance, and the number 9 is perfect for that

1.  Let's not forget about Leliana's ties to the Chantry. She was, as I said, a strong believer of the Maker and follower of the Chantry. As for her being an Orlesian bard, though Cass and Cullen may both have Chantry ties, they are not of the same branch of even background (historical and personal).  I don't see having two or even three characters with high morals of the same class as redundant because there will always be characters in your party that oppose them, and they may even oppose one another on some issues.

2. Out of all the companions, I always felt Varric and Isabela were quite similar.  Both supporting and disapproving most of the same issues.  Isabela and Avaline, on the other hand, I'd agree with you.

3. Forcing diversity isn't the way to promote and create diversity. And if diversity can be achieved with the other classes, what's wrong with that?  And, even if they did include Cullen, we could still achieve the 3:3:3 class balance.

Modifié par ArinTheirinCousland, 07 septembre 2013 - 07:46 .

[fiveforchaos]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

  And, even if they did include Cullen, we could still achieve the 3:3:3 class balance.

Yeah but that would mean that either Iron Bull or the cool old Grey Warden wouldn't be there, and Would you really want that?

Also while Varric and Isabella might agree on several different issues, the characters themselves come from very different backstories, giving them very different obstacles to overcome, and very different issues to discuss during conversational portions of the game. They're play styles are also inherently different, even if they are both rogues.

Cass and Cullen on the other hand, I suppose I really should reserve judgement until I see more of them. But not only are their personalities similar, so are their backstories from as far as I can tell. Again though, haven't see enough.

Modifié par fiveforchaos, 07 septembre 2013 - 07:55 .

[GloriousDame]

fiveforchaos wrote...

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

  And, even if they did include Cullen, we could still achieve the 3:3:3 class balance.

Yeah but that would mean that either Iron Bull or the cool old Grey Warden wouldn't be there, and Would you really want that?

Lol don't try to guilt me, it works far too easily on me.

I'm sure we'll have the cool old Grey Warden; you can already see him in some vids. So that leaves the Iron Bull, a character whom I'd rather see as a big agent or preferably as a DLC character whom you either have to gain through dominating him or a long range of favors, etc. I  personally would enjoy doing a whole seperate mini story on the Iron Bull as part of a DLC.

[Vapaa]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

1.  Let's not forget about Leliana's ties to the Chantry. She was, as I said, a strong believer of the Maker and follower of the Chantry. As for her being an Orlesian bard, though Cass and Cullen may both have Chantry ties, they are not of the same branch of even background (historical and personal).

Yes but they still cover much of the same ground, where others potential companions offers more of diversity

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

2. Out of all the companions, I always felt Varric and Isabela were quite similar.  Both supporting and disapproving most of the same issues.  Isabela and Avaline, on the other hand, I'd agree with you.

Isabella was an egoist, don't hesitate to betray you and have no morals at all, Varric might pretend that business trumps all, but he still has a set of morals and isn't the backstabber type

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

3. Forcing diversity isn't the way to promote and create diversity. And if diversity can be achieved with the other classes, what's wrong with that?  And, even if they did include Cullen, we could still achieve the 3:3:3 class balance.

I want a good class balance, what's wrong with that ?

[Friera]

EJ107 wrote...

I know that a lot of people still believe that Cullen is a likely companion, but It seems very unlikely for me at this stage. We already have one chantry-aligned human warrior announced and another male human warrior. On top of that we have another male warrior who looks like they will be announced soon (Iron Bull).

I also believe that we'll have a Dwarf from either Kal'Sharok or Orzammar, as it seems odd to be lacking one in a game which will probably involve visiting a Dwarven city (likely Kal'Sharok). I don't think we would have two Dwarven rogues, which makes me think we'll have yet another warrior, maybe a Dwarven female.

We also always seem have at least one human of each class, so I will be surprised if we do not have a human rogue.

I don't see Cullen fitting in anywhere. The only real evidence for his inclusion as a companion is an image from the leaked survey, which also included an image of what is likely an important NPC scribe woman, and is confirmed to be inaccurate.

I don't know, It's not that I have anything against Cullen as a character. But I don't see how he fits as a party member in Inquisition, and I feel that I would rather have characters exploring things we haven't seen before like a Kal'Sharok dwarf, a Tal'Vashoth or a Tevinter magister. I don't see what sort of background or issues Cullen could raise that we haven't already seen before, as the templar/mage issue was explored to death in Dragon Age 2.

As a woman who was meant to be first enchanter but has had her life ruined by the circle collapse Vivienne offers a new persepective on the mage/templar conflict, but Cullen is a templar commander who thinks mages are too dangerous to be free, which is a character and stance we have already seen multiple times before. He also acts as a templar whose experiences have made him slightly more tolerable of mages, but this is also something we've seen explored before, most notably with Cassandra who is already a confirmed companion.

I agree with you on all points. However, the sneaky feeling is still there regarding Cullen as a companion, since people are screaming it.
I find him dull though. No more returing characters. It is enough with Cullen and Cassandra (1/3 in the party is returning character seems unlikely)

[mikeymoonshine]

The thing that makes me think Cullen may still be a companion is the fact that Gaider said that not all of the characters from the survey leak are companions.

So if you think about it, Scribe girl isn't a companion and I think we can safely assume Dorian isn't so that's two already who aren't

The Warden and Sera have both kinda been seen in footage and Cassandra has been confirmed so that only leaves Cullun with the question Mark over his head.

Allthough it does seem like allot of warriors and how will he be different to cassandra? but then I guess both Sten and Ogren were similar in stat's weren't they.

So unless there is a 3rd mage or rogue then I think Cullun could easily be a companion.

[Tinu]

mikeymoonshine wrote...
I think we can safely assume Dorian isn't so that's two already who aren't

Why would you assume that? If Dorian doesn't make it, then how many mages do we have left? One?

[mikeymoonshine]

TinuHawke wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...
I think we can safely assume Dorian isn't so that's two already who aren't

Why would you assume that? If Dorian doesn't make it, then how many mages do we have left? One?

He seems to have been replaced by the balding elf in the concept art, Either that or the elf is the new dorian. 

He isn't what was displayed on the survay though. 

This is all speculation of course and it could be all wrong but allot of it adds up so I am assuming. 

[Friera]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...
I think we can safely assume Dorian isn't so that's two already who aren't

Why would you assume that? If Dorian doesn't make it, then how many mages do we have left? One?

He seems to have been replaced by the balding elf in the concept art, Either that or the elf is the new dorian. 

He isn't what was displayed on the survay though. 

This is all speculation of course and it could be all wrong but allot of it adds up so I am assuming. 

Dorian <---> Bald Elf?
(with a massive update on the looks from the leaked survey, thank god. He looks ridicilous in the survey)

[mikeymoonshine]

Friera wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...
I think we can safely assume Dorian isn't so that's two already who aren't

Why would you assume that? If Dorian doesn't make it, then how many mages do we have left? One?

He seems to have been replaced by the balding elf in the concept art, Either that or the elf is the new dorian. 

He isn't what was displayed on the survay though. 

This is all speculation of course and it could be all wrong but allot of it adds up so I am assuming. 

Dorian <---> Bald Elf?
(with a massive update on the looks from the leaked survey, thank god. He looks ridicilous in the survey)

Idk if it's still even Dorian, Would an elf be called Dorian Pavos? I guess he is meant to be Tervinter. 

[Friera]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Friera wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...
I think we can safely assume Dorian isn't so that's two already who aren't

Why would you assume that? If Dorian doesn't make it, then how many mages do we have left? One?

He seems to have been replaced by the balding elf in the concept art, Either that or the elf is the new dorian. 

He isn't what was displayed on the survay though. 

This is all speculation of course and it could be all wrong but allot of it adds up so I am assuming. 

Dorian <---> Bald Elf?
(with a massive update on the looks from the leaked survey, thank god. He looks ridicilous in the survey)

Idk if it's still even Dorian, Would an elf be called Dorian Pavos? I guess he is meant to be Tervinter. 

Someone said earlier in this topic that a friend of Varric said it was a powerful healer magister who left Tevinter, and a lot of people assume its Dorian. This was in the book Asunder.

Modifié par Friera, 07 septembre 2013 - 11:00 .

[ElitePinecone]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

He seems to have been replaced by the balding elf in the concept art, Either that or the elf is the new dorian. 

He isn't what was displayed on the survay though. 

This is all speculation of course and it could be all wrong but allot of it adds up so I am assuming. 

Again, the survey did *not* establish which images referred to which companions.

It had four companion bios and a bunch of other concept art. Most of the companions mentioned in the bios didn't have concept art for them, and many of the concept art images refer to characters who don't seem to be companions.

We had no idea what Dorian looked like in the survey, and we have no idea what he looks like now. People are just guessing the smug elf is him, because of the personality he appeared to have in the small bio.

[mikeymoonshine]

ElitePinecone wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

He seems to have been replaced by the balding elf in the concept art, Either that or the elf is the new dorian. 

He isn't what was displayed on the survay though. 

This is all speculation of course and it could be all wrong but allot of it adds up so I am assuming. 

Again, the survey did *not* establish which images referred to which companions.

It had four companion bios and a bunch of other concept art. Most of the companions mentioned in the bios didn't have concept art for them, and many of the concept art images refer to characters who don't seem to be companions.

We had no idea what Dorian looked like in the survey, and we have no idea what he looks like now. People are just guessing the smug elf is him, because of the personality he appeared to have in the small bio.

Funny How even though I said in my own post that I am just speculating and could be totally wrong you still felt the need to correct me. I already know all of what you just said. 

The picture of the rather stocky mage was the only one that isn't likely to be another one of the characters described so yes people assumed it was dorian. 

cassandra has been confirmed and the scribe woman whilst appearing in later concept art does not appear to be a companion. Characters that resemble the Warden and sura have both been hown in concept art and glimpsed in combat footage. Someone who could be Cullun is also seen in concept art. 

The only one missing is the mage from before which makes me think that character may have been changed or replaced by this elf. 

This is all just speculation based on what I know, what I have seen and what feels most likely. 

[The Elder King]

The magister healer that was exiled wasn't Varric's frien. Another magister, Mae (who is Varric's friend) told Alistair in the comics about a powerful healer that was exiled in the Anderfels.
The male elf could still be a magister, since it's technically possible, and I think he is (I doubt he's dalish, since all the dalish NPC we met have the traditional tatoo, and he doesn't have it in all the concept. And I'd like to see another mage elf companion that's not a keeper).
I guess that someone would be disappointed though, since there are people who wanted a magister, but I guess that an exiled, powerful healer might not be what they want (don't know about the race).

[mikeymoonshine]

hhh89 wrote...

The magister healer that was exiled wasn't Varric's frien. Another magister, Mae (who is Varric's friend) told Alistair in the comics about a powerful healer that was exiled in the Anderfels.
The male elf could still be a magister, since it's technically possible, and I think he is (I doubt he's dalish, since all the dalish NPC we met have the traditional tatoo, and he doesn't have it in all the concept. And I'd like to see another mage elf companion that's not a keeper).
I guess that someone would be disappointed though, since there are people who wanted a magister, but I guess that an exiled, powerful healer might not be what they want (don't know about the race).

Yeah I did hear that, I suppose that would be the next best thing to havin Maevaris herself as a companion. 

[Danny Boy 7]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

He seems to have been replaced by the balding elf in the concept art, Either that or the elf is the new dorian. 

He isn't what was displayed on the survay though. 

This is all speculation of course and it could be all wrong but allot of it adds up so I am assuming. 

Again, the survey did *not* establish which images referred to which companions.

It had four companion bios and a bunch of other concept art. Most of the companions mentioned in the bios didn't have concept art for them, and many of the concept art images refer to characters who don't seem to be companions.

We had no idea what Dorian looked like in the survey, and we have no idea what he looks like now. People are just guessing the smug elf is him, because of the personality he appeared to have in the small bio.

Funny How even though I said in my own post that I am just speculating and could be totally wrong you still felt the need to correct me. I already know all of what you just said. 

The picture of the rather stocky mage was the only one that isn't likely to be another one of the characters described so yes people assumed it was dorian. 

cassandra has been confirmed and the scribe woman whilst appearing in later concept art does not appear to be a companion. Characters that resemble the Warden and sura have both been hown in concept art and glimpsed in combat footage. Someone who could be Cullun is also seen in concept art. 

The only one missing is the mage from before which makes me think that character may have been changed or replaced by this elf. 

This is all just speculation based on what I know, what I have seen and what feels most likely. 

The mage your talking about...was he the one with the "trident" and looked like the sides of his head were shaved? If so I think he shows up next to Cassandra in the war room concept art. He has a similar half-robe going on and the color scheme is similar. 

I originally thought Dorian would be a new darker character, but it seems that unless he is like the Iron Bull (who I think is . companion) and is either just not showing up with the party proper or is either Flaily Hands guy or Elf Mcsmugens, my money is on the latter.

I'm sort of interested in if the Grey Warden is from the Anderfels because I think it'd be interesting to see the difference between a Warden from Orlais like Riordan and one from the motherland. That and if Dorian wad exiled there it'd be interesting to see their banter on the subject. 

[mikeymoonshine]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

He seems to have been replaced by the balding elf in the concept art, Either that or the elf is the new dorian. 

He isn't what was displayed on the survay though. 

This is all speculation of course and it could be all wrong but allot of it adds up so I am assuming. 

Again, the survey did *not* establish which images referred to which companions.

It had four companion bios and a bunch of other concept art. Most of the companions mentioned in the bios didn't have concept art for them, and many of the concept art images refer to characters who don't seem to be companions.

We had no idea what Dorian looked like in the survey, and we have no idea what he looks like now. People are just guessing the smug elf is him, because of the personality he appeared to have in the small bio.

Funny How even though I said in my own post that I am just speculating and could be totally wrong you still felt the need to correct me. I already know all of what you just said. 

The picture of the rather stocky mage was the only one that isn't likely to be another one of the characters described so yes people assumed it was dorian. 

cassandra has been confirmed and the scribe woman whilst appearing in later concept art does not appear to be a companion. Characters that resemble the Warden and sura have both been hown in concept art and glimpsed in combat footage. Someone who could be Cullun is also seen in concept art. 

The only one missing is the mage from before which makes me think that character may have been changed or replaced by this elf. 

This is all just speculation based on what I know, what I have seen and what feels most likely. 

The mage your talking about...was he the one with the "trident" and looked like the sides of his head were shaved? If so I think he shows up next to Cassandra in the war room concept art. He has a similar half-robe going on and the color scheme is similar. 

I originally thought Dorian would be a new darker character, but it seems that unless he is like the Iron Bull (who I think is . companion) and is either just not showing up with the party proper or is either Flaily Hands guy or Elf Mcsmugens, my money is on the latter.

I'm sort of interested in if the Grey Warden is from the Anderfels because I think it'd be interesting to see the difference between a Warden from Orlais like Riordan and one from the motherland. That and if Dorian wad exiled there it'd be interesting to see their banter on the subject. 

I origionally thought that might just be an early depiction of the warden coz the trident mage didn't have a beard but you could be right actually. 

I am sure that picture was confirmed to be quite old though. so idk if it's any more accurate than the survey leak. 

I agree that Iron Bull is probably a companion. 

I would say Sura, Grey Warden and Iron Bull are the most likely because characters that resemble the first two were seen in game and There have been screenshots of Iron Bull so if he aint a companion he's obviously important. 

[Danny Boy 7]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

He seems to have been replaced by the balding elf in the concept art, Either that or the elf is the new dorian. 

He isn't what was displayed on the survay though. 

This is all speculation of course and it could be all wrong but allot of it adds up so I am assuming. 

Again, the survey did *not* establish which images referred to which companions.

It had four companion bios and a bunch of other concept art. Most of the companions mentioned in the bios didn't have concept art for them, and many of the concept art images refer to characters who don't seem to be companions.

We had no idea what Dorian looked like in the survey, and we have no idea what he looks like now. People are just guessing the smug elf is him, because of the personality he appeared to have in the small bio.

Funny How even though I said in my own post that I am just speculating and could be totally wrong you still felt the need to correct me. I already know all of what you just said. 

The picture of the rather stocky mage was the only one that isn't likely to be another one of the characters described so yes people assumed it was dorian. 

cassandra has been confirmed and the scribe woman whilst appearing in later concept art does not appear to be a companion. Characters that resemble the Warden and sura have both been hown in concept art and glimpsed in combat footage. Someone who could be Cullun is also seen in concept art. 

The only one missing is the mage from before which makes me think that character may have been changed or replaced by this elf. 

This is all just speculation based on what I know, what I have seen and what feels most likely. 

The mage your talking about...was he the one with the "trident" and looked like the sides of his head were shaved? If so I think he shows up next to Cassandra in the war room concept art. He has a similar half-robe going on and the color scheme is similar. 

I originally thought Dorian would be a new darker character, but it seems that unless he is like the Iron Bull (who I think is . companion) and is either just not showing up with the party proper or is either Flaily Hands guy or Elf Mcsmugens, my money is on the latter.

I'm sort of interested in if the Grey Warden is from the Anderfels because I think it'd be interesting to see the difference between a Warden from Orlais like Riordan and one from the motherland. That and if Dorian wad exiled there it'd be interesting to see their banter on the subject. 

I origionally thought that might just be an early depiction of the warden coz the trident mage didn't have a beard but you could be right actually. 

I am sure that picture was confirmed to be quite old though. so idk if it's any more accurate than the survey leak. 

I agree that Iron Bull is probably a companion. 

I would say Sura, Grey Warden and Iron Bull are the most likely because characters that resemble the first two were seen in game and There have been screenshots of Iron Bull so if he aint a companion he's obviously important. 

Sera and the Grey Warden are all but confirmed imho and Iron Bull seems close behind. I wonder who the last two companions are though. If the above is accurate and elf mcsmugens is the second mage. Another Rogue and possibly a Mage...

[mikeymoonshine]

@Danny Boy 7

Well there is

Cass/ Warrior/ confirmed
Varric/ Rogue/ confirmed
Viv/ Mage confirmed

Sura/ Rogue/ semi confirmed
Grey warden/ Warrior/ semi confirmed
Iron Bull/ Warrior? very likely

Then there is the elf mage maybe

So assuming all of them are correct that leaves two

Could be Cullun, Leliana, Cole (although I think that is just wishful thinking from some fans) or somebody else.

I don't think Leliana will be a companion even though I think she will be involved somehow but Cullun could be I guess.

[Vapaa]

Leliana is almost certainly an important NPC

I'd like to think we'll have McSmugs, Cole, Iron bull, GW, Sera and [female 9th companion], but even if that list has a good class/gender/origins balance, it's quite poor (if not awful) for male LIs, and I don't know if a non-companion romance could work in DA

That makes me think that *IF* Cole is going to make an apparence, it will be a DLC character

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I'm just sticking with the leaks right now.

Currently, everything in the leak has come true (Just like the ME3 leaks) so I have no reason to doubt most of it.

[mikeymoonshine]

Vapaä wrote...

Leliana is almost certainly an important NPC

I'd like to think we'll have McSmugs, Cole, Iron bull, GW, Sera and [female 9th companion], but even if that list has a good class/gender/origins balance, it's quite poor (if not awful) for male LIs, and I don't know if a non-companion romance could work in DA

That makes me think that *IF* Cole is going to make an apparence, it will be a DLC character

Has there been any hint that cole would be involved at all though? Or is that just what allot of people would like. 

Everone else on the list has been shown in some way. 

[mikeymoonshine]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I'm just sticking with the leaks right now.

Currently, everything in the leak has come true (Just like the ME3 leaks) so I have no reason to doubt most of it.

Gaider said that not all the characters from the survay leak would be companions because those leaks were very early and allot has changed sinse them but allot of it seems likely. 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I'm just sticking with the leaks right now.

Currently, everything in the leak has come true (Just like the ME3 leaks) so I have no reason to doubt most of it.

Gaider said that not all the characters from the survay leak would be companions because those leaks were very early and allot has changed sinse them but allot of it seems likely. 

I think the human mage shown in the leak has been scrapped. I mean out of all the concept art shown from the leak only he doesn't seem to have shown up anywhere. Makes me think that Dorian was suppose to be a human tevinter but they changed him to an elf instead.

Either way, the same thing was said about the ME3 leak with the whole "We've changed a lot" only to turn out to be exactly like 90% of what the leak said.