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[ElitePinecone]

If McSmugs is Dorian and is an LI, I don't see an issue there (even aside from the topic being totally subjective). Dorian's bio says he's "brazen and clever", his name is clearly a Wilde reference (plus his surname means 'peacock' in Latin) and a foppish character is something new that they've never had as a companion in either of the previous games.

I'll concede there's still a problem with finding another male LI (since either Iron Bull or Grey Warden as an LI seems... unlikely/weird?), which is why I'd hesitate to rule out Cullen as a companion even though it seems to mess with the gender/class thing.

Not that LI status has ever governed companion rosters (and I emphatically believe it *shouldn't*), but going on past games there should at least be another male romance option.

[mikeymoonshine]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I'm just sticking with the leaks right now.

Currently, everything in the leak has come true (Just like the ME3 leaks) so I have no reason to doubt most of it.

Gaider said that not all the characters from the survay leak would be companions because those leaks were very early and allot has changed sinse them but allot of it seems likely. 

I think the human mage shown in the leak has been scrapped. I mean out of all the concept art shown from the leak only he doesn't seem to have shown up anywhere. Makes me think that Dorian was suppose to be a human tevinter but they changed him to an elf instead.

Either way, the same thing was said about the ME3 leak with the whole "We've changed a lot" only to turn out to be exactly like 90% of what the leak said.

Well yeah that's waht I meant he probs aint a companion and i think that scribe lady is just like your seneschal or something. 

[Vapaa]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Has there been any hint that cole would be involved at all though? Or is that just what allot of people would like. 

Everone else on the list has been shown in some way. 

I belive he is in the survey, and there's a rumor that a protagonist from Asunder will be in DAI, but that's really it

EDIT: about the leak thing: keep in mind the ME3 leak occured quite late in the developpement (fall 2011 with the game released in march 2012) where the DAI leak is already old and the game is still more than a year away, so it's more likely that they changed things this time. Also, it was just a survey, not a companion list, I don't think it mentions Varric or Vivienne

Modifié par Vapaä, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:06 .

[mikeymoonshine]

ElitePinecone wrote...

If McSmugs is Dorian and is an LI, I don't see an issue there (even aside from the topic being totally subjective). Dorian's bio says he's "brazen and clever", his name is clearly a Wilde reference (plus his surname means 'peacock' in Latin) and a foppish character is something new that they've never had as a companion in either of the previous games.

I'll concede there's still a problem with finding another male LI (since either Iron Bull or Grey Warden as an LI seems... unlikely/weird?), which is why I'd hesitate to rule out Cullen as a companion even though it seems to mess with the gender/class thing.

Not that LI status has ever governed companion rosters (and I emphatically believe it *shouldn't*), but going on past games there should at least be another male romance option.

It may not be Dorian at all though it may be a character replacing dorian. If that other mage was indeed Dorian. 

Well I think the last two will be Cullen and a female that we haven't seen yet. 

Coz that would be four women and five men. Or i guess I could be wrong and it will turn out to be Leliana

[mikeymoonshine]

Vapaä wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Has there been any hint that cole would be involved at all though? Or is that just what allot of people would like. 

Everone else on the list has been shown in some way. 

I belive he is in the survey, and there's a rumor that a protagonist from Asunder will be in DAI, but that's really it

Ah ok i think it will either be him or Cullun then I doubt it would be both coz that's allot of men and only three women. 

[ElitePinecone]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Either way, the same thing was said about the ME3 leak with the whole "We've changed a lot" only to turn out to be exactly like 90% of what the leak said.

Writing is (as far as I know) literally one of the first things to be finished, especially recorded dialogue. Dialogue requires getting actors' schedules to work, paying them, budgets being sorted out, etc. They can add and change text in the game pretty much whenever they want, but calling out voice actors again unexpectedly is logistically difficult and kinda a waste of money - so I guess the focus would be getting it done early and right. It might be different now for DA:I because they've had the one year delay (we know that they only decided on the extra races relatively recently) but I'd imagine that the companions were probably fairly decided upon when the marketing survey was done.

They were doing auditions and voice recording for characters back in May last year, and the survey leaked in September (maybe October?). It doesn't sound too likely that things would change significantly once they'd already settled upon actors for the companions. 

[GloriousDame]

Vapaä wrote...

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

1.  Let's not forget about Leliana's ties to the Chantry. She was, as I said, a strong believer of the Maker and follower of the Chantry. As for her being an Orlesian bard, though Cass and Cullen may both have Chantry ties, they are not of the same branch of even background (historical and personal).

Yes but they still cover much of the same ground, where others potential companions offers more of diversity

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

2. Out of all the companions, I always felt Varric and Isabela were quite similar.  Both supporting and disapproving most of the same issues.  Isabela and Avaline, on the other hand, I'd agree with you.

Isabella was an egoist, don't hesitate to betray you and have no morals at all, Varric might pretend that business trumps all, but he still has a set of morals and isn't the backstabber type

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

3. Forcing diversity isn't the way to promote and create diversity. And if diversity can be achieved with the other classes, what's wrong with that?  And, even if they did include Cullen, we could still achieve the 3:3:3 class balance.

I want a good class balance, what's wrong with that ?

-We're not going to have 100% polarizing opinions from 100% of the companions, just like in DAO, or DA2  (some examples include what the companions thought about doing in regards to Connor).
-Yet, through the rest of the game before that point, Varric and Isabella shared many of the same approval/disapproval reactions.
-There is NOTHING wrong with a good class balance, but we can still have a good class balance with Cullen in there. You'll still have diversity, a wide range of both similar and differing opinions, and you'll still have the 3/3/3 balance which we will need if whatever one of the devs said about getting a bonus if all party members are the same class gets implemented

mikeymoonshine wrote...

So if you think about it, Scribe
girl isn't a companion and I think we can safely assume Dorian isn't so
that's two already who aren't 

Why do you say that? We still need more mages and with Viviene focusing on damage, we still need a healer- he could very well be it.  Edit: nevermind, it seems like this question was already answered  

Modifié par ArinTheirinCousland, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:29 .

[Former_Fiend]

ElitePinecone wrote...

If McSmugs is Dorian and is an LI, I don't see an issue there (even aside from the topic being totally subjective). Dorian's bio says he's "brazen and clever", his name is clearly a Wilde reference (plus his surname means 'peacock' in Latin) and a foppish character is something new that they've never had as a companion in either of the previous games.

I'll concede there's still a problem with finding another male LI (since either Iron Bull or Grey Warden as an LI seems... unlikely/weird?), which is why I'd hesitate to rule out Cullen as a companion even though it seems to mess with the gender/class thing.

Not that LI status has ever governed companion rosters (and I emphatically believe it *shouldn't*), but going on past games there should at least be another male romance option.

Iron Bull, I get. That's a bit more of a niche market.

But honestly I am not getting the doubt around the GW as a LI. Dude's got a little gray in his beard. So what? How does that make a romance with him weird?

[Vapaa]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

-There is NOTHING wrong with a good class balance, but we can still have a good class balance with Cullen in there. You'll still have diversity, a wide range of both similar and differing opinions, and you'll still have the 3/3/3 balance which we will need if whatever one of the devs said about getting a bonus if all party members are the same class gets implemented

Yes we can have balanced classes with Cullen, but other companions are likely to beat him to it

[mikeymoonshine]

There could well be a third mage because unless the ninth companion is Leliana (which I doubt) then that companion is unknown.

I don't think it's going to be Cole and Cullun either it will be one or the other coz that would be too many damn men!

Modifié par mikeymoonshine, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:36 .

[FireAndBlood]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I'm just sticking with the leaks right now.

Currently, everything in the leak has come true (Just like the ME3 leaks) so I have no reason to doubt most of it.

Gaider said that not all the characters from the survay leak would be companions because those leaks were very early and allot has changed sinse them but allot of it seems likely. 

I think the human mage shown in the leak has been scrapped. I mean out of all the concept art shown from the leak only he doesn't seem to have shown up anywhere. Makes me think that Dorian was suppose to be a human tevinter but they changed him to an elf instead.

Either way, the same thing was said about the ME3 leak with the whole "We've changed a lot" only to turn out to be exactly like 90% of what the leak said.

The human mage showed up in the War Room concept art, has the same mustache, hairstyle and robes.

[mikeymoonshine]

That concept is meant to be quite old I think. We haven't seen him in later concept art. it is interesting that he shows up with the elf though maybe he wasn't replaced after all.

I am still inclined to think he has been scrapped though.

Modifié par mikeymoonshine, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:43 .

[ElitePinecone]

Former_Fiend wrote...

But honestly I am not getting the doubt around the GW as a LI. Dude's got a little gray in his beard. So what? How does that make a romance with him weird?

Again, it's subjective, and we have no idea how Bioware makes those sorts of decisions or what criteria they would use. My gut just says it's not a path the team would go down.

I have him pegged far more as a gruff advisor role, not least because one of the writers mentioned that they were using their grandfather as inspiration for the 'voice' of one of the characters.

Could be totally and completely wrong, but I just don't think it's going to happen.

This recent blog post by David Gaider is useful for this thread, in a kind of related way:

I call the period prior to us revealing what romances exist in the game (or, indeed, what actual companions are in the game) to be the “Schrödinger’s Romances” period.

Why? Because prior to us opening that box, a romance could or could not exist with any potential companion. In the minds of many fans, that means it does [/i]exist until proven otherwise. Indeed, some people build it up to the point that the romance must [/i]exist… and thus, should the box be opened to reveal the romance isn’t there, it will be the same as if we actually took it away. Like maniacal fiends that snatch candy from babies, we deleted the already-written romance from the files. Why? Because we are bastards, possibly racist or homophobic, and clearly because we have it in either for that character or for the fans of that character (because that character not having a romance means they are somehow less than— an attitude which annoys me as a writer, but since expressing my own thoughts can’t be taken here as anything less than a condemnation of those who think otherwise I’ll just say it doesn’t annoy me that [/i]much and leave it at that.)

It’s a way of dealing with disappointment, I suppose. Even if some people might intellectually understand that the game isn’t about romance and we’ll never allow you to romance all the characters (and thus some characters are going to not [/i]be romances at all), that doesn’t stop them from wanting what they want.

Which is to say that, yes, I’m aware that there are those who have speculated that the Qunari shown in the pictures is a party member— and that there are also some who imagine what a romance with him might be like. Not that I’ve seen any of the discussion, but there will be an element of that with every single character that gets revealed (provided they’re not revolting in some way, I guess). I suppose it also doesn’t hurt that the Qunari is a muscled brute who looks like he could lift you like a feather and bang you two ways from Sunday.

And which is also to say that I’m not looking forward to the opening of that box. Much as some people might find it hard to believe, I don’t like disappointing anyone— not that I’m suggesting you will or won’t be disappointed with regards to this particular Qunari possible-companion, just that the ugliness that inevitably follows the reveal is not my favorite time of pre-release.

[Former_Fiend]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

There could well be a third mage because unless the ninth companion is Leliana (which I doubt) then that companion is unknown.

I don't think it's going to be Cole and Cullun either it will be one or the other coz that would be too many damn men!

I keep singing the same old song, but so far Bioware seems to have been conspiring against letting us have a full party of mages. For this reason I think we won't be getting three.

[GloriousDame]

Vapaä wrote...

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

-There is NOTHING wrong with a good class balance, but we can still have a good class balance with Cullen in there. You'll still have diversity, a wide range of both similar and differing opinions, and you'll still have the 3/3/3 balance which we will need if whatever one of the devs said about getting a bonus if all party members are the same class gets implemented

Yes we can have balanced classes with Cullen, but other companions are likely to beat him to it

By other companions = Iron Bull.  Maybe.  As of right now, and until we are shown more concept art or get an announcement on companions, it all depends who you ask.

[fiveforchaos]

Former_Fiend wrote...


Iron Bull, I get. That's a bit more of a niche market.

But honestly I am not getting the doubt around the GW as a LI. Dude's got a little gray in his beard. So what? How does that make a romance with him weird?

Well for me at least it's less about age and more about the fact that he's a Grey Warden, who's a bit on the older side.

What I'm getting at here is "Oh God Bioware please not another Thane! You're games are depressing enough without our LI's dropping like flies!"

[FireAndBlood]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

That concept is meant to be quite old I think. We haven't seen him in later concept art. it is interesting that he shows up with the elf though maybe he wasn't replaced after all.

I am still inclined to think he has been scrapped though.

I think if anyone has been scrapped as a companion it would be Cole.

[GloriousDame]

fiveforchaos wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...


Iron Bull, I get. That's a bit more of a niche market.

But honestly I am not getting the doubt around the GW as a LI. Dude's got a little gray in his beard. So what? How does that make a romance with him weird?

Well for me at least it's less about age and more about the fact that he's a Grey Warden, who's a bit on the older side.

What I'm getting at here is "Oh God Bioware please not another Thane! You're games are depressing enough without our LI's dropping like flies!"

Hahaha! Honestly, I look at the Warden and as cool as he looks, all I can think of is Thane 2.0.

Modifié par ArinTheirinCousland, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:47 .

[Faerah]

FireAndBlood wrote...
The human mage showed up in the War Room concept art, has the same mustache, hairstyle and robes.

This may be Rhys, a prodominant mage from Asunder that is essentually leading a faction of mages. I can imagine him and Evangeline partnering up with Cullen for a faction of mages and non-crazy templars. Basically mages that are alright with the...partnership(?) with templars that are actually decent people and wish to protect mages, instead of just imprison them.

[mikeymoonshine]

FireAndBlood wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

That concept is meant to be quite old I think. We haven't seen him in later concept art. it is interesting that he shows up with the elf though maybe he wasn't replaced after all.

I am still inclined to think he has been scrapped though.

I think if anyone has been scrapped as a companion it would be Cole.

hmm maybe but I am still unsure about this mage. If he hasn't been scrapped who has? Cole wasn't depicted in the survey he was just mentioned and Gaider seemed to be talking about the ones depicted when he said some of them wouldn't be companions. 

I could be reading too much into that. 

[Ianamus]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

By other companions = Iron Bull.  Maybe.  As of right now, and until we are shown more concept art or get an announcement on companions, it all depends who you ask.

The Qunari's chances are a lot higher than Cullens at the moment though. It is important to remember that if you look past his popularity and the number of times he is mentioned on this site there is practically nothing at all indicating he will be a companion. 

Modifié par EJ107, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:50 .

[Ianamus]

MasterScribe wrote...

Having 3 confirmed companions (Cassandra, Vivienne, and Varric) and assuming we have correctly guessed another 3 or 4 (Sera, Bearded Warden, Baldy, and Iron Bull), the ideal 8th and 9th companions would be a female dwarf and a female Qunari.

I think we will have a female dwarf as one of the last two, but I don't think we will also have a female Qunari. We still need a young male human to act as the second male LI, unless Varric is an LI in Inquisition, which is unlikely in my opinion. Possible though. 

Modifié par EJ107, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:55 .

[mikeymoonshine]

It would be nice to have more than one dwarf in the party again. I stand by my opinion that there must be another female! 3 Females and 6 males just seems insane.

[FireAndBlood]

Faerah wrote...

FireAndBlood wrote...
The human mage showed up in the War Room concept art, has the same mustache, hairstyle and robes.

This may be Rhys, a prodominant mage from Asunder that is essentually leading a faction of mages. I can imagine him and Evangeline partnering up with Cullen for a faction of mages and non-crazy templars. Basically mages that are alright with the...partnership(?) with templars that are actually decent people and wish to protect mages, instead of just imprison them.

Yeah but the leaked survey mentioned Dorian a tevinter magister who wanted to make sure the rebelling mages did not turn into another version of his country, and the only concept art of a mage companion from the leaked survey matches the look of the human mage in the War Room concept art.

Also Rhys is a leading member of the mage rebellion and we already have a circle mage with Vivienne.