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[ElitePinecone]

Taleroth wrote...

Janus198 wrote...


Plus Cassandra has likely changed.
Therefore i don´t think she would be a good and necessary counterpart to Vivienne and the mages.
We need a Templar companion for that. 
In the best case that would be Cullen.

Cassandra hasn't been detailed enough in the games for change to even be relevant. She is whatever they want her to be. 

That's true, except that some heavily-invested fans don't just use what has been detailed in the game to extrapolate about a character. To many people here, "Seeker" instantly means "Chantry drone", and perhaps DAI is going to subvert that preconception as far as Cassandra is concerned.

It's personal 'growth' in the character (from her five minutes in DA2), but also pre-emptively undermining all the whinging about having a powerful Chantry presence in the party.

[ElitePinecone]

Janus198 wrote...

Dorian is the Elf Mage. 

Nope, this is not confirmed. We have no idea who Dorian is, or if he's even still in the game.

[Former_Fiend]

MasterScribe wrote...

I'm hoping that Cassandra and Varric are the only returning characters acting as companions.

The writers should create as many new characters as possible. It makes the world much more deep and rich, as well as expanding the population.

I wasn't pleased by DA2's use of several returning characters as companions (3 out of the main 6).

It seems that time constraints on DA2's development forced them to do that.

I mainly agree with this. I didn't mind Merrill and Isabela because they were such minor characters in Origins, but Anders, I didn't care for him coming back.

The way I see it, or at least the way I'd have it, is that the Warden's team was the Warden's team, Hawke's team was Hawke's team, and the Inquisitor's team is the Inquisitor's team.


So it's not so much that I mind returning characters as it is I mind returning companions. The one, Varric, is fine because he helps tie things together, but we don't need Leliana and we don't need Shale. 

[daveliam]

I can't wait for the next companion information, but I have a feeling we got a load of information/hints/whatnot about companions in the past week or so so we won't be hearing much soon. This is definitely my favorite topic for speculation, so it's going to be a long year.

[Eveangaline]

daveliam wrote...

I can't wait for the next companion information, but I have a feeling we got a load of information/hints/whatnot about companions in the past week or so so we won't be hearing much soon. This is definitely my favorite topic for speculation, so it's going to be a long year.

Hopefully the next bit of info will be about what classes they are.

[Angrywolves]

I thought Dorian was a Tevinter magister.
We need someone from there to show us the ropes when our Inquisitor gets there.

[BioWareM0d13]

Angrywolves wrote...

I thought Dorian was a Tevinter magister.
We need someone from there to show us the ropes when our Inquisitor gets there.

There is some speculation that Baldy McElf from the concept art is Dorian from the survey. It was noted by one of the devs (Gaider?) that stuff from the survey may have been changed or dropped, so that theory isn't entirely without merit. They may have changed Dorian to be an Elven character. If Dorian is now an Elf, it also doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility that the character might still be a Tevinter magister.

[Angrywolves]

Weren't most elves slaves there.
Fenris is a prime example .
I think Dorian being an elf is unlikely.

[BioWareM0d13]

Angrywolves wrote...

Weren't most elves slaves there.
Fenris is a prime example .
I think Dorian being an elf is unlikely.

They do keep elves as slaves, but that may not necessarily prevent an elf from rising to magister. There are plenty of examples throughout our own history of people who came from groups who were discriminated against overcoming bigotry and rising to positions of power and influence.

In the end it may also be possible that the Magisters' respect for power over magic is greater than whatever prejudices they might otherwise have against elves. Say an elf is encountered who is extraordinary powerful in magic. Do the magisters keep that person as a cook or a washer woman, or do they take them on as a pupil? I'm not sure enough is known yet about Tevinter 'culture' to say.

Star Wars: The Old Republic has a similar rags-to-riches story as the basis for one of the playable character classes. The Sith Inquisitor has a backstory as a slave raised as manual laborer in the Empire. At some point prior to the start of the class story, a Sith Lord stumbled upon the character and recognized the force potential, and had the character 'rescued' from slavery and sent to the Sith Academy on Korriban. The story then starts at the Academy and progresses to the point where that character eventually rises to become a Sith Lord, and one of the ruling members of the Empire's Dark Council. But that character started as someone whose family had been enslaved by the Empire.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 13 septembre 2013 - 03:09 .

[Former_Fiend]

Wasn't Fenris' sister on the way to becoming a magister, or at least some position of authority?

[GDog89]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Wasn't Fenris' sister on the way to becoming a magister, or at least some position of authority?

Yes she would have by Capturing Fenris for Denarious

[Ryzaki]

Yep. I could see some elven mages as magisters. Power probably would matter more than race.

[Former_Fiend]

GDog89 wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Wasn't Fenris' sister on the way to becoming a magister, or at least some position of authority?

Yes she would have by Capturing Fenris for Denarious

Well, there you go. Sure, Denarious might have been lying about that, but it's at least plausable for an elf to rise to the position.

[In Exile]

Han Shot First wrote...
They do keep elves as slaves, but that may not necessarily prevent an elf from rising to magister. There are plenty of examples throughout our own history of people who came from groups who were discriminated against overcoming bigotry and rising to positions of power and influence.

I thought it was confirmed lore that magisters had to be humans? WOT or something?

[In Exile]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Wasn't Fenris' sister on the way to becoming a magister, or at least some position of authority?

She was an apprentice to a magister, but that's not the same thing. Being a magister is a title that's separate from being a mage in Tevinter. Assuming Danarius wasn't trolling her, that is. 

[BioWareM0d13]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Wasn't Fenris' sister on the way to becoming a magister, or at least some position of authority?

You are right, I totally forgot about that.

Fenris' sister had been taken on as an apprentice to become a magister.

[Ryzaki]

In Exile wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Wasn't Fenris' sister on the way to becoming a magister, or at least some position of authority?

She was an apprentice to a magister, but that's not the same thing. Being a magister is a title that's separate from being a mage in Tevinter. Assuming Danarius wasn't trolling her, that is. 

She flat out says "he would've made me a magister" so I'm guessing elves can become such.

[Eveangaline]

Ryzaki wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Wasn't Fenris' sister on the way to becoming a magister, or at least some position of authority?

She was an apprentice to a magister, but that's not the same thing. Being a magister is a title that's separate from being a mage in Tevinter. Assuming Danarius wasn't trolling her, that is. 

She flat out says "he would've made me a magister" so I'm guessing elves can become such.

Or it might have been a false hope on her part.

[esper]

Eveangaline wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Wasn't Fenris' sister on the way to becoming a magister, or at least some position of authority?

She was an apprentice to a magister, but that's not the same thing. Being a magister is a title that's separate from being a mage in Tevinter. Assuming Danarius wasn't trolling her, that is. 

She flat out says "he would've made me a magister" so I'm guessing elves can become such.

Or it might have been a false hope on her part.

Considering that is is such an outregous claim, there have to be some former examples that made Fenris' sister think that Danerius could keep his word.

After all by the point she is claiming this, Danerius is dead and Fenris is looking at her pretty murderiously, so she must have believed that Danerius could have made her an magister.

[ElitePinecone]

In Exile wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
They do keep elves as slaves, but that may not necessarily prevent an elf from rising to magister. There are plenty of examples throughout our own history of people who came from groups who were discriminated against overcoming bigotry and rising to positions of power and influence.

I thought it was confirmed lore that magisters had to be humans? WOT or something?

I just checked the section on Tevinter and it doesn't specify that magisters have to be human.

Freed slaves (which I would assume include freed elves) can enter Circles, and senior Circle enchanters can become magisters, so i'd guess it's not out of the question that an elf could eventually rise to become a magister if they were powerful and influential enough.

Edit: with that in mind though, we still have no idea if Elfy McSmugs is Dorian. It's a guess at best, and Dorian might not even be in the game any more.

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 13 septembre 2013 - 10:05 .

[Former_Fiend]

Assuming Dorian is a companion, whether he's Bald Elf Guy or not, or assuming Bald Elf Guy is a former magister regardless of whether he's Dorian or not, I'd be quite interested to see how he interacts with Iron Bull, assuming he is also a companion.

We've seen the Qunari side of things from Sten and we've seen the Tevinter side of things(though not favorably) from Fenris. I'm curious to see how they interact with each other.

[ElitePinecone]

Yeah, I'd like to hear more about the qunari/Tevinter conflict in the north of Thedas, since it's an area we've never visited, and something we've only really heard about from codex entries.

Though if Iron Bull is Tal'Vashoth and Dorian (or whoever) is an exiled magister working to bring down the Tevinter magisterium, their respective stakes in the issue wouldn't be that high. Both are outcasts from their own people, and both (at a guess) wouldn't necessarily like their home countries. Instant hatred seems strange, if both are unusual examples of their peoples.

I suppose Dorian's stance could depend on how much the Imperium's conflict with the qunari stems from revanchism or nationalism, as opposed to the whole 'evil magocracy obsessed with its own power' thing. If he's working to preserve Tevinter as a nation and save the good parts, maybe that would include continuing the war with the qunari in order to reclaim lost territory.

[Argetfalcon]

Female qunari LI

[Former_Fiend]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Yeah, I'd like to hear more about the qunari/Tevinter conflict in the north of Thedas, since it's an area we've never visited, and something we've only really heard about from codex entries.

Though if Iron Bull is Tal'Vashoth and Dorian (or whoever) is an exiled magister working to bring down the Tevinter magisterium, their respective stakes in the issue wouldn't be that high. Both are outcasts from their own people, and both (at a guess) wouldn't necessarily like their home countries. Instant hatred seems strange, if both are unusual examples of their peoples.

I suppose Dorian's stance could depend on how much the Imperium's conflict with the qunari stems from revanchism or nationalism, as opposed to the whole 'evil magocracy obsessed with its own power' thing. If he's working to preserve Tevinter as a nation and save the good parts, maybe that would include continuing the war with the qunari in order to reclaim lost territory.

I can see the two of them not necessarily being fans of their respective systems working in favor of interesting banter. We might get a more objective look at things that away.