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[LiL Reapur]

Ask your self  what science in Mass Effect doesn't seem legit to you?
Mine is Javik's "sensory" abilites, like he can touch the ground and automatically know a charcters race,emotional state, and orgin from just one index finger to the ground? sorry but i call BS.



Me......

HOW!?

[Forst1999]

The whole idea of "genetic memory" doesn't make sense to me. And much in the games relies on it: Protheans and their beacons, Asari melting and Liara reading your visions, Reaper creation, possibly Synthesis.
And putting people on spikes to create robo-zombies never was plausible to me.
But that's ok for me.

[FlyingSquirrel]

The mass relays are pretty much the equivalent of warp speed in Star Trek - i.e. the story requires widespread, efficient faster-than-light travel, but obviously nobody knows how that could work, so they make up some fancy terminology to make it sound convincing.

[GreyLycanTrope]

In universe, one very particular aspect of Lazarus which I have to headcanon the crap out of to make sense, just about everything to do with the Crucible, and I'd call Javics ability bs if the Reapers didn't practically do the same thing when melting people down into genetic goo. Genetic memory is not that strange of a concept in scifi and the Reapers did set a precedent.

[Vinchisters]

How 3 video game endings ruined so many people's lives that they started sending colored cupcakes to Bioware.

[dreamgazer]

The Prothean cipher is amusingly harebrained, as well as a mind-controlling plant's ability to clone fully-armed asari.

Jump-starting a brain in Lazarus. Genetic "essence" in Reaper composition.

Synthesis---the dispersal, the implementation, the success rate. Not crazy about how all krogan are cured of the genophage, either, though it's kinda passable.

[GreyLycanTrope]

I forgot about the plant clones, yeah add that to my list.

[Phlander]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

The mass relays are pretty much the equivalent of warp speed in Star Trek - i.e. the story requires widespread, efficient faster-than-light travel, but obviously nobody knows how that could work, so they make up some fancy terminology to make it sound convincing.

The mass relays are one of the most thought out Warp Speed in any sci fi though, if you buy element zero and dark energy, then relays are simple.

For me, i've always hated the thorian, and its creepers.  It instantly clones a full sized asari, and creates zombies out of nothing that look human for some reason.  These zombies also perform one of the most powerful attacks in the game, by puking on you.

Modifié par Phlander, 20 août 2013 - 05:18 .

[Reorte]

I don't mind the mass effect, even though it's clearly nonsense. It's there to get FTL travel working, and some of the other things it gets used for make sense if you've got that ability. That's the type of universe setup nonsense I can tolerate. The really bad ones are Synthesis and Javik's touch ability. Even considering what eezo is supposed to be able to do biotic powers are rather ridiculous but I think my mind lumps them into "chucked in to make gameplay more interesting". The whole genetics bit sounds like a load of crap but it's never explained exactly what it's used for so avoids falling to quite the same depths (although it's impossible to imagine a sensible explanation).

[TheProtheans]

At some point in stories like this something with no explanation that can be understood is present.
However I think it could be plausible in our universe or at least not impossible.
Simply because our species is not very advanced and has not explored and found planets with alien life.
We can not say we truly understand our galaxy until one explores it.

The white beam from the citadel to London did not make much sense at all.
The science behind the crucible did not make sense either.

[Sir DeLoria]

Oh man, I love that Javik picture.

Anyway, things that don't make sense? Mass Effect fields, Biotics, Omni-Tools, Indoctrination, Quarian suits, Traynor's toothbrush, all ME3 endings, dextro proteins...

[Iakus]

The Lazarus Project.

Two years dead, and with the power of SCIENCE you can be resurrected with all your memories and skills intact. No physical therapy needed. No brain damage. No trauma (aside from a few orange scars on the face). Just get up and start shooting stuff.

And even better, despite the fact that this is a breakthrough in medical technology that can potentially rewrite everything we know about life and death, no one treats it like it's a big deal. It's just an expensive medical procedure no more worthy of comment than gallstones.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Cerberus. How science has not killed them a hundred times over is blatantly unrealistic.

[JonathonPR]

Lasers should not be visible in space. There is insufficient particle density to see a continuous line of diffracted photons. The Cain projectile should hit instantaneously. Why are there no gravitic render guns( oscillating gravitational/mass effect field, if the singularity power was pinpoint and switched between pull and repel at several hundred hertz). Why are there there no gravitic/mass effect projectile weapons( not magnetic or electrical acceleration. A very concentrated repulsion field like from shields). In atmosphere a particle gun would fire a high power laser to create a temporary vacuum before the particle stream. Why are there no antimatter warheads for capital ships? If stopped or deflected by a shield the containment device for the antimatter would be disrupted and detonate. if a direct hit is stopped there would still be a close range burst of dangerous radiation. Why don't ships have normal or antimatter particle cannons? Why don't ships use gamma ray lasers(grasers) to bypass shields? How do ammo powers work? There should be devices that replicate biotic abilities. Why would any ship capable of producing mass effect fields strong enough for ftl not be able to move in atmosphere. Agile as a brick for no streamlining but still doable. If a ship uses antimatter for power and is destroyed in atmosphere how can anyone close enough to see it with the naked eye survive? What powers the Reapers. Mass effect cores take in power and build up static charge. If they also produced power they would be perpetual energy sources and would overload almost instantly. If they are a form of strange matter they would interact differently with anti matter and could be used to contain and release it for other power generating systems.


WHY ARE SPACE SHIPS AIRPLANES?! What happened to Newtonian Physics?

Don't throw a fantasy story into a scifi setting and think I won't notice. If you want Spelljammer I have nothing wrong with that. Remember to talk to scientists if you are writing science fiction. Michael Crichton has works cited pages in his fictional novels.

[Br3admax]

Melding makes no sense to me. It's sexual, but it's not sexual when you don't want it to be. Then it somehow let's you randomize genes that somehow always come out just right no matter what DNA is used. Now that I think about it...every thing Asari doesn't make sense.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Implanted memories into organics and archiving memories onto computers. Seriously, organic memories and digital data aren't the same thing, you can't just take them out of one and put it inside another platform, or implant memories into the brain. It's never explained how, it just sorta happens and we're expected to role with it for the ethical conundrum.

[Liamv2]

Most of it. From the mass relay to synthesis there is loads of impossible stuff in the MEU.

[capn233]

Lazarus Project is more plausible than Element Zero to me. The fact that the technology is never mentioned again is the least plausible part about it.

As far as least plausible, I guess I am with OP on Javik's ability. If he was simply limited to "reading [Shepard's] nervous system" that would be one thing. Touching random objects and getting visions is akin to making him a tv psychic.

Element Zero and Biotics are token pseudoscience that you get in nearly every space opera as a conceit to the story.

[AlexMBrennan]

The whole idea of "genetic memory" doesn't make sense to me. And much in the games relies on it: Protheans and their beacons, Asari melting and Liara reading your visions, Reaper creation, possibly Synthesis.

You seem to be thinking about Assassin's Creed here, and all of those things are at least theoretically plausible given that we can already read minds at an extremely basic level.

Lasers should not be visible in space

Only defensive GARDIAN batteries utilise lasers, and they are never shown.

WHY ARE SPACE SHIPS AIRPLANES?! What happened to Newtonian Physics?

The existence of mass effect fields is an axiom of the universe - yes, they don't exist in the real world but that's not a problem as long as their effects are consistent.

As for Op...
1) Biotics have come from basic manipulation of gravity to free form magic powers (dark channel, domiate, whatever Gillian wants to do today)
2) Not technically a science, but everyone at every turn completely fails at security engineering: The Reapers should not leave a working IFF lying around (you cancel your credit cards when they are stolen, so why don't the Reaper do anything of the sort), Spectres should not be able to modify the Spectre biometric ID database (ever heard of mandatory access control?), etc
3) Harbinger's ramblings and motivation - Shepard's actions are only statistically significant if the Reapers had decided to monitor Shepard and only Shepard before the events of ME1, so Harbinger trying to get his hands on Shepard's body for mad science is about as dumb as dissecting the brains of lottery winners looking for psychic ability.
4) Project Lazarus - brain death marks irreversible "death", and is by definition not fixable no matter how much money you throw at it. Also, the result of atmospheric reentry is a pile of dust. Further, it's inconsistent with ME lore; Revelation establishes that cloning body parts like arms is a standard procedure done by all backwater baterian hospitals so that need for making cyber!jesus with implants is nonsense - if the brain remained intact, you could just grow an replacement everything/body using existing, ubiquitous and cheap technology.

[JasonShepard]

Just to highlight a different area: Mass Effect gets Quantum Entanglement completely wrong.

ME2 introduces the idea of Quantum Entanglement Communicators. In ME3, they seem to be everywhere.
Then in the Leviathan DLC, any form of telepathy in the setting - The Rachni hive mind, Leviathan Domination, Reaper Indoctrination - they are all 'handwaved' as Quantum Entanglement between brains. (I'm working from Ann Bryson's dialogue here.) You could probably include Asari Melding in that, too.

One problem: Quantum Entanglement can't be used to transfer meaningful information. Which means that the very idea of a Quantum Entanglement Communicator is false.

(I'll put a mild proviso in here that certain versions of Quantum Theory do allow QECs, but they imply ridiculously strange things about the universe. Either they require a 'special' frame of reference, which breaks Einstein's relativity since all frames of reference should be equally valid... or, if you don't have a special frame of reference but you do have QECs, then you've got Time Travel.)

Modifié par JasonShepard, 20 août 2013 - 08:34 .

[samurai crusade]

I'm shocked that so many do not like Javiks ability. It is different, a very alien capability that shows why/how the protheans were such an expansive empire. Javiks is able to do the types of recon and investigation in seconds that would take Mordin a decade to deduce.

[o Ventus]

Synthesis. The Crucible. Javik's "let me touch you" genetic memory. The Cipher. The Thorian. Miranda's infertility.

Lazarus actually doesn't bother me, aside from the whole "Shepard just so happens to have his/her memories intact". We know that they are capable of cloning entire limbs and organs by 2185. It doesn't seem unreasonable that they can clone entire bodies. I chalk Shepard's retained psyche as a bout of luck. In fact, the narrative does that as well, IIRC.

[Br3admax]

Miranda's infertility makes as much since as Miranda herself existing.