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[Cainhurst Crow]

What makes you think his speed wasn't a stable velocity though?

[DeinonSlayer]

Steelcan wrote...

I have an idea.

Let's put a pig on the next satellite launch. As it breaks atmosphere it let's the pig fall to Earth and we can see what happens.

If the pig is still in decent shape David will be right. If if is not we are right.

One further addendum: its brain must be intact with no memories lost.

[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I have an idea.

Let's put a pig on the next satellite launch. As it breaks atmosphere it let's the pig fall to Earth and we can see what happens.

If the pig is still in decent shape David will be right. If if is not we are right.

One further addendum: its brain must be intact with no memories lost.

.  We can put it in plate armor as well.

[David7204]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

What makes you think his speed wasn't a stable velocity though?

Because gravity is pulling the body down and air resistance is pushing it up. Both at different amounts throughout the fall.

[dreamgazer]

Thanks, guys. Now I want barbecue.

[David7204]

Satellites actually orbit the Earth at a considerable distance away. That really wouldn't count, since we have no idea how close the Normandy was to Alchera.

[DeinonSlayer]

Steelcan wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I have an idea.

Let's put a pig on the next satellite launch. As it breaks atmosphere it let's the pig fall to Earth and we can see what happens.

If the pig is still in decent shape David will be right. If if is not we are right.

One further addendum: its brain must be intact with no memories lost.

.  We can put it in plate armor as well.

Gotta poke some holes in it to let the air out, though. And drop it in an ammonia-rich atmosphere.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 21 août 2013 - 05:08 .

[CynicalShep]

The pig experiment sounds ... delicious

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Satellites actually orbit the Earth at a considerable distance away. That really wouldn't count, since we have no idea how close the Normandy was to Alchera.

.  It was pretty far, it wasnt in atmosphere when it was destroyed.

[David7204]

We really can't tell.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

We really can't tell.

.  Aside from the part where it is very clearly not in atmospbere

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Satellites actually orbit the Earth at a considerable distance away. That really wouldn't count, since we have no idea how close the Normandy was to Alchera.

The Normandy was clearly far enough for it not to be attracted towards the planet by the planet's gravity. The Normandy was in orbit, so also a considerable distance away. Based on the cinematic intro of ME2 I'd say it's about the same distance as most satellites around earth are.

[Wolfva2]

Wait...that planet HAD an atmosphere? Looked pretty atmosphereless to me.

[NeonFlux117]

Project Lazarus is not possible because Shepard did not have a "normal" death in which the brain was intact. Because of Ebuillism his brain would have been nothing but liquid mush.

Now a certain amount of suspension of disbelief is required in scifi, but this goes beyond that into the realm of impossibility. Shepard 2.0 is a clone- a perfect clone. In which his memories are intact; and shepards "it" factor and his ability to lead and survive or the "luck" factor of shepard is still intact. Shepard from Mass Effect 1 died. And he/she did not come back. There is no way. Unless Cerberus retrieved his body seconds after exposure and had a way to equalize and reverse the effects of ebuillsim that had already started the very second his suit had a rupture.

Shepard 2.0 is a clone- the best and perfect clone that Cerberus could make, Shep Clone MK 1, but still a clone.

They basically used advanced stem cell and cloning technology to take the DNA that was Left in Shepards space suit. Then cloning and growing shepard 2.0. Now about the memories, I mean Shep did mind merge with Liara- perhaps Liara helped with that or stored his memories in a graybox. Or something 'more' is at work. After all, Cerberus was using reaper technology and huskification in ME1. After all the "reapers" are the only entity that we know can literally resurect brain dead subjects- Saren in ME1- dude takes two brainshots; then Sovereign assumes control through reaper cybernectic implants.

Shepard 2.0 is full of cybernetics.

As is TIM -pre ME3, TIM had a convergence event with something called the Arca Monolith back in 2158- nearly 30 years before the events of ME3. And oh yeah. So did Saren

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 21 août 2013 - 05:16 .

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

We really can't tell.

I'm sure we could if someone REALLY wanted to go overboard (as in, more than we already have). Its diameter is greater than Earth's, meaning you have to get higher up to see the same degree of curvature. I'm sure someone could look at the curvature of the horizon and work out a (very) rough estimate of distance. I guarantee it's greater than the balloon drop.

*sigh* The devs have to shake their heads reading threads like this, seeing how far we go.

[The Heretic of Time]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Wait...that planet HAD an atmosphere? Looked pretty atmosphereless to me.

That too. The planet clearly had a very thin atmosphere, if any at all. We can clearly see this during the N7 mission to reclaim the lost tags at the Normandy crash site.

[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

We really can't tell.

I'm sure we could if someone REALLY wanted to go overboard (as in, more than we already have). Its diameter is greater than Earth's, meaning you have to get higher up to see the same degree of curvature. I'm sure someone could look at the curvature of the horizon and work out a (very) rough estimate of distance. I guarantee it's greater than the balloon drop.

*sigh* The devs have to shake their heads reading threads like this, seeing how far we go.

.  This is the same forum as "Tali's sweat".....

[Cainhurst Crow]

David7204 wrote...

We really can't tell.

Zero gravity doesn't happen in the atmosphere. Not unless you are accelerating downwards at a rapid speed, which shepard apparently doesn't do, judgeing by the amounts of debris floating around in the open and exposed command deck.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 21 août 2013 - 05:17 .

[David7204]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Satellites actually orbit the Earth at a considerable distance away. That really wouldn't count, since we have no idea how close the Normandy was to Alchera.

The Normandy was clearly far enough for it not to be attracted towards the planet by the planet's gravity. The Normandy was in orbit, so also a considerable distance away. Based on the cinematic intro of ME2 I'd say it's about the same distance as most satellites around earth are.

First of all, as the Normandy is powered, none of the equations about orbit apply. Nor does assuming the Normandy is far away because it isn't being pulled in.

Secondly, there are many different types of orbit.

[DeinonSlayer]

Steelcan wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

We really can't tell.

I'm sure we could if someone REALLY wanted to go overboard (as in, more than we already have). Its diameter is greater than Earth's, meaning you have to get higher up to see the same degree of curvature. I'm sure someone could look at the curvature of the horizon and work out a (very) rough estimate of distance. I guarantee it's greater than the balloon drop.

*sigh* The devs have to shake their heads reading threads like this, seeing how far we go.

.  This is the same forum as "Tali's sweat".....

Then there was my own contribution...

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Satellites actually orbit the Earth at a considerable distance away. That really wouldn't count, since we have no idea how close the Normandy was to Alchera.

The Normandy was clearly far enough for it not to be attracted towards the planet by the planet's gravity. The Normandy was in orbit, so also a considerable distance away. Based on the cinematic intro of ME2 I'd say it's about the same distance as most satellites around earth are.

First of all, as the Normandy is powered, none of the equations about orbit apply. Nor does assuming the Normandy is far away because it isn't being pulled in.

Perhaps. The Normandy did crash on the planet after all. But we can still clearly see the Normandy is a reasonable distance away from the planet. And we can also clearly see the planet lacks an atmosphere. If the planet does have an atmosphere, it's a very thin one. Much thinner than our atmosphere on earth.

David7204 wrote...

Secondly, there are many different types of orbit.

You don't have to tell me that. I've played plenty of Kerbal Space Program. 

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 21 août 2013 - 05:24 .

[KaiserShep]

CynicalShep wrote...

The pig experiment sounds ... delicious

It's just a little airborne. It's still good! It's still good! 

[David7204]

The planet description says point-blank the atmospheric pressure is .85 atm. Or .83. One of those two.

Modifié par David7204, 21 août 2013 - 05:31 .

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

The planet description says point-blank the atmospheric pressure is .85 atm. Or .83. One of those two.

You do realize that's incredibly low right? It's such a low atmospheric pressure that it's almost neglectible.

[Erez Kristal]

lazarus project only scientific leap of faith is the ability to bring back brain functionality

Considering shepard was falling at terminal velocity or less(if he had an emergency parachute, or another hightech savvy tech like batman in his suit) and considering that his suit is capable of saving shepard from impact bullets which travels at 4000 km a second and geth rockets.

it is safe to assume his body was left intact. if you want to compare shepard to a crumpeling car. shoot a drone rocket on both of them followed by a bullet which travels at 4000 km a sec, thats 1,400,000 km a hour.

Now that we established his body wasnt turned to paste( or even burned for that matter, since he didnt enter the athmosphere at a speed higher than terminal velocity, hence didnt need to slow down+his suit is capable of withstanding high tempetures)

If shepard body freezed minutes after he entered the athmosphere and died its quite feastable to believe than in the technology level of mass effect in 2186, they would have found a way to reconstruct the brain damage done to shepard since it wasnt as severe as people here are lead to assume.

And while it required to use implants in order to bring shepard back, it did increase his performance which increased his chances to have a player, play him throughout mass effect 2 without dying... again.


if you insist that would have turned to paste i strongly urge you to contradict the use of his powersuit and how it would fail to protect him at 195 km a hour.