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[David7204]

Uh, no it isn't. Our atmosphere is 1 atm. Hence the unit 'atmosphere.' So .85 atm is 85% percent of that.

Modifié par David7204, 21 août 2013 - 05:42 .

[capn233]

David7204 wrote...

The planet description says point-blank the atmospheric pressure is .85 atm. Or .83. One of those two.

Yes it does say that (0.83atm).

This is why if you recall Miranda's log in Lazarus Station it does not make sense within the confines of ME2 that Shepard crashed onto Alchera.

"In addition to the expected burns and internal injuries from the explosion, subject has suffered significant cellular breakdown from longterm exposure to vacuum and sub-zero temperatures."

0.83 atm isn't really vacuum considering many people live at that atmospheric pressure on Earth (about 1600m above sea level).

Unfortunately, I think stupid Redemption says they recovered him from the surface (been a while since I read it), but then again most of the comics are dumb and just serve to screw up the backstories.

Modifié par capn233, 21 août 2013 - 05:44 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

What about the fact that the planet shepard lands on has a atmosphere and composition that is lethal to humans and would result in severe bodily and organ damage?

[KaiserShep]

Shepard just so happened to land in an area with substantial metamorphic bedrock comprised of puppies and magic, accounting for the viable material to rebuild him.

[Erez Kristal]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

What about the fact that the planet shepard lands on has a atmosphere and composition that is lethal to humans and would result in severe bodily and organ damage?

When shepard was in space, his suit was leaking oxygen due to the vacuum. but after he crashed his suit managed to seal the holes using a special gel(like the one found in bicycles wheels)  which prevented exposure to the athmosphere.
his body still froze over time due to extremely low temperatures

consider that shepard could have fallen into a pool of very cold water( water lowest temperatures is  -55 celsius.)  which might also lower shepard impact strength. and increase the rate of his freezing.

Modifié par erezike, 21 août 2013 - 06:04 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Woah, what happened to this thread since I left after page 1?

Oh, David...

[CynicalShep]

KaiserShep wrote...

Shepard just so happened to land in an area with substantial metamorphic bedrock comprised of puppies and magic, accounting for the viable material to rebuild him.

Most plausible explanation I've read in this thread so far

[MassivelyEffective0730]

erezike wrote...

lazarus project only scientific leap of faith is the ability to bring back brain functionality

The fact that his body, protected by only a hardsuit, survived reentry intact at all really does stretch the label science to the point that is is non-science. 

Considering shepard was falling at terminal velocity or less(if he had an emergency parachute, or another hightech savvy tech like batman in his suit) and considering that his suit is capable of saving shepard from impact bullets which travels at 4000 km a second and geth rockets.

The first part is pure speculation. As for the parachute.... no.

Next, let' put it this way. Firstly, you have kinetic barriers protecting you from 'bullet's' and rockets. Second, These are tiny objects. Shepard is now traveling at comparable speeds through the atmosphere (and generating extreme heat) and is headed towards impact with a much larger mass.

it is safe to assume his body was left intact. if you want to compare shepard to a crumpeling car. shoot a drone rocket on both of them followed by a bullet which travels at 4000 km a sec, thats 1,400,000 km a hour.

You know what they say about assumptions...

But no, there is absolutely nothing safe to assume. You're point.... what's your point?

Now that we established his body wasnt turned to paste( or even burned for that matter, since he didnt enter the athmosphere at a speed higher than terminal velocity, hence didnt need to slow down+his suit is capable of withstanding high tempetures)

This is straightup bullshit...

If shepard body freezed minutes after he entered the athmosphere and died its quite feastable to believe than in the technology level of mass effect in 2186, they would have found a way to reconstruct the brain damage done to shepard since it wasnt as severe as people here are lead to assume.

This is straightup bullshit...

And while it required to use implants in order to bring shepard back, it did increase his performance which increased his chances to have a player, play him throughout mass effect 2 without dying... again.

... what?

To live in your world for 10 minutes...

if you insist that would have turned to paste i strongly urge you to contradict the use of his powersuit and how it would fail to protect him at 195 km a hour.

I insist that he would have been vaporized during reentry personally. The only thing keeping him intact was.... 

Contrived writing that is pretty fantastical, far-fetched, unreal, and unscientific in any sense of the word.

But who cares? CHARACTERIZATION!

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Uh, no it isn't. Our atmosphere is 1 atm. Hence the unit 'atmosphere.' So .85 atm is 85% percent of that.

In that case, Shepard's body should have burned to ashes on entry, meaning that there should logically be nothing left of his body, or something very similar to this.

And no, his suit wouldn't protect him, since his suit is no longer air-tight (look at the intro) and it would likely also burn up in the atmosphere. The kevlar wouldn't survive atmospheric reentry, and the ceramic plating on the armor would melt.

There is no way Shepard's body could be restored to full function, it would also be an utter waste of time and resources to even try. Cloning would be the logical option for bringing Shepard back.


Lazarus would have made so much more sense and it would have been so much more interesting if it turned out that our Shepard in ME2 and ME3 is really just a clone, a perfect clone maybe, but still a clone.

That begs the question though, how in god's name Cerberus managed to fully restore Shepard's memory. Even if Shepard's body would have survived atmospheric reentry, he has been brain death for weeks/months. There is no way there is anything left of his memories.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 21 août 2013 - 06:08 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

erezike wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

What about the fact that the planet shepard lands on has a atmosphere and composition that is lethal to humans and would result in severe bodily and organ damage?

When shepard was in space, his suit was leaking oxygen due to the vacuum. but after he crashed his suit managed to seal the holes using a special gel(like the one found in bicycles wheels)  which prevented exposure to the athmosphere.
his body still froze over time due to extremely low temperatures

This is straightup bullshit...

You just made that up.... completely.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 21 août 2013 - 06:04 .

[Sir DeLoria]

erezike wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

What about the fact that the planet shepard lands on has a atmosphere and composition that is lethal to humans and would result in severe bodily and organ damage?

When shepard was in space, his suit was leaking oxygen due to the vacuum. but after he crashed his suit managed to seal the holes using a special gel(like the one found in bicycles wheels)  which prevented exposure to the athmosphere.
his body still froze over time due to extremely low temperatures

consider that shepard could have fallen into a pool of very cold water( water lowest temperatures is  -55 celsius.)  which might also lower shepard impact strength. and increase the rate of his freezing.

Sources?

[KaiserShep]

There is no source. The armor fractures and breaks apart, judging by the pieces attached to Legion, and the piece of the torso components in Liara's apartment.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

erezike wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

What about the fact that the planet shepard lands on has a atmosphere and composition that is lethal to humans and would result in severe bodily and organ damage?

When shepard was in space, his suit was leaking oxygen due to the vacuum. but after he crashed his suit managed to seal the holes using a special gel(like the one found in bicycles wheels)  which prevented exposure to the athmosphere.
his body still froze over time due to extremely low temperatures

consider that shepard could have fallen into a pool of very cold water( water lowest temperatures is  -55 celsius.)  which might also lower shepard impact strength. and increase the rate of his freezing.

Sources?

Head

meet 

Canon.

What do they make?

Headcanon.

And I'm being kind here.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 21 août 2013 - 06:06 .

[David7204]

First of all, Shepard wouldn't have burnt up.

Secondly, an alternate reasonable and plausible explanation does not need a source or evidence. 

Modifié par David7204, 21 août 2013 - 06:08 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Look, headcanon is fine, but some things just don't make sense in the ME series and you people should accept that.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

First of all, Shepard wouldn't have burnt up.

Yes he would have. Things tend to do that when they hit the atmosphere.

Secondly, an alternate reasonable and plausible explanation does not need a source.

Two things:

First, claiming it as a possibility then assuming it as fact shortly after is a fallacy. It's assuming the point with no evidence. It absolutely needs a source or evidence.

Secondly, it's neither reasonble nor plausible.

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...
Secondly, an alternate reasonable and plausible explanation does not need a source or evidence. 

Hahaha:lol:


Wait, you're serious aren't you?

[David7204]

This is basic legal logic. Alice is murdered. Bob spent the night at Alice's house the day of the murder. Detectives find small amounts of Bob's blood at her house. Bob says he cut him himself shaving.

Bob does not need proof. He does not need evidence. Evidence would be nice, but it's not necessary. Since Bob has a reasonable, plausible explanation, the evidence basically counts for nothing in court.

Modifié par David7204, 21 août 2013 - 06:14 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

This is basic legal logic. Alice is murdered. Bob spent the night at Alice's house the day of the murder. Detectives find small amounts of Bob's blood. Bob says he cut him himself shaving.

Bob does not need proof. He does not need evidence. Evidence would be nice, but it's not necessary. The detectives have no case.

This isn't law.

This is science (or the lack of it).

Also, your case sucks. Where was Alice murdered? When was she murdered. How was she killed? 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 21 août 2013 - 06:16 .

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

First of all, Shepard wouldn't have burnt up.
 

Yes he would.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 21 août 2013 - 06:15 .

[David7204]

It's the exact same premise. You're making an accusation and trying to prove it. The defense doesn't need proof. They don't need evidence. They only have to show you haven't proven your case.

[Cainhurst Crow]

erezike wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

What about the fact that the planet shepard lands on has a atmosphere and composition that is lethal to humans and would result in severe bodily and organ damage?

When shepard was in space, his suit was leaking oxygen due to the vacuum. but after he crashed his suit managed to seal the holes using a special gel(like the one found in bicycles wheels)  which prevented exposure to the athmosphere.
his body still froze over time due to extremely low temperatures

consider that shepard could have fallen into a pool of very cold water( water lowest temperatures is  -55 celsius.)  which might also lower shepard impact strength. and increase the rate of his freezing.

Is this special gel mentioned in any codex entries regarding armor? Medigel is mentioned, but medigel needs to be applied, it doesn't apply automatically. Quarian suits have a similar function, but quarian suits aren't standard alliance armor we see shepard wearing, now is it?

So where are your sources? What are you citing?

[Cainhurst Crow]

David7204 wrote...

First of all, Shepard wouldn't have burnt up.

Secondly, an alternate reasonable and plausible explanation does not need a source or evidence. 

Are you telling me the frictional force we see happening to shepard as they enter the atmosphere during the Me2 cutscene wouldn't cause a methane rich atmosphere to react around shepard by igniting?

When you're argueing about facts, you do noot a source or evidence. Even using your stupid murder analogy, you still need evidence to convict a person of a crime.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 21 août 2013 - 06:21 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

It's the exact same premise. You're making an accusation and trying to prove it. The defense doesn't need proof. They don't need evidence. They only have to show you haven't proven your case.

No, it's not the same premise. This is pure sophistry now on your part.

Scientifically, logically, and from a common sense standpoint, Shepard should have burned up completely after while passing through the mesosphere. 

The fact is he didn't. And it's not scientific that he didn't. It's contrived writing that is not based on science.

By the way, prove your case.

[Cainhurst Crow]

By the way, bob would be facing murder charges unless he had evidence to support his claim that he cut himself shaving. He does need evidence or he's going to prison for murder and lying to the authorities.