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lazarus project only scientific leap of faith is the ability to bring back brain functionality
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The fact that his body, protected by only a hardsuit, survived reentry intact at all really does stretch the label science to the point that is is non-science.
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Considering shepard was falling at terminal velocity or less(if he had an emergency parachute, or another hightech savvy tech like batman in his suit) and considering that his suit is capable of saving shepard from impact bullets which travels at 4000 km a second and geth rockets.
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The first part is pure speculation. As for the parachute.... no.
Next, let' put it this way. Firstly, you have kinetic barriers protecting you from 'bullet's' and rockets. Second, These are tiny objects. Shepard is now traveling at comparable speeds through the atmosphere (and generating extreme heat) and is headed towards impact with a much larger mass.
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it is safe to assume his body was left intact. if you want to compare shepard to a crumpeling car. shoot a drone rocket on both of them followed by a bullet which travels at 4000 km a sec, thats 1,400,000 km a hour.
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You know what they say about assumptions...
But no, there is absolutely nothing safe to assume. You're point.... what's your point?
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Now that we established his body wasnt turned to paste( or even burned for that matter, since he didnt enter the athmosphere at a speed higher than terminal velocity, hence didnt need to slow down+his suit is capable of withstanding high tempetures)
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This is straightup bullshit...
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If shepard body freezed minutes after he entered the athmosphere and died its quite feastable to believe than in the technology level of mass effect in 2186, they would have found a way to reconstruct the brain damage done to shepard since it wasnt as severe as people here are lead to assume.
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This is straightup bullshit...
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And while it required to use implants in order to bring shepard back, it did increase his performance which increased his chances to have a player, play him throughout mass effect 2 without dying... again.
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... what?
To live in your world for 10 minutes...
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if you insist that would have turned to paste i strongly urge you to contradict the use of his powersuit and how it would fail to protect him at 195 km a hour.[/quote]
I insist that he would have been vaporized during reentry personally. The only thing keeping him intact was....
Contrived writing that is pretty fantastical, far-fetched, unreal, and unscientific in any sense of the word.
But who cares? CHARACTERIZATION!
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since shepard speed was lower than terminal velocity when he entered the planet athmosphere, its means a lot less than you think. shepard didnt need to slow down and thus a lot less heat was generated due to friction
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... This is bullshit lying. Where are you getting the idea, that Shepard was falling 'slowly'? Seriously, I'd try arguing but this a case of delusion I think.
Suffice to say, you're making this point up. Completely. You have no proof.
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shepard at no mommentum or speed to go with when he entered the athmosphere, therefor the most he was traveling with was the terminal velocity of the planet alchera
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Uh.... no.
Seriously, where the hell are you getting these idea's?
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the inside suit parachute or other mean of landing isnt farfetched in a suit which is buit for a space marine. his duites are more likely to involve falling from things(as shepard demonstrate quite often in the games)
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... what... I think you're going to break my brain.
No. Just no.
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the kinetic barriers help with first bullets, but his suit is capable of withstanding rocket and bullets even without the kinetic barriers as depicted inside the gamelore.
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The one point where you have some semblance of truth beyond make-believe la-la land!
Yes, his hardsuit with the in-universe engineering is survivable to ballistics, even the ones that are at hypersonic velocities.
I don't think you're going to be able to withstand a rocket though... especially a direct hit from an HE warhead... In fact, I'm quite sure of it...
It's a gameplay mechanic. All video games have them. It's why I can survive being shot 50 times in CoD, walk away, recover, and come back and get shot again. Rinse and repeat.
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the different in impact even without a parachute is only a few times higher than a 1 gram slug(sniper slug) considering shepard body stays intact even if he dies due to shock damage from from a few rockets or sniper slugs. hes body stll doesnt turn into paste.
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What the hell are even talking about now? This statement does not make sense in the English language.
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the impact on shepard body from sniper slugs and rockets is more focused while the impact from falling is much better spread throughout his body which will result in lesser damage.
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... which will be completely meaningless after falling through:
1) the atmosphere where his body and suit would be traveling at hypersonic velocities (with incredible amounts of friction - and thus heat - to slow him down... and incinerate him)
2) several hundred kilometers... he'll be falling fast enough from that height that if he miraculously survived reentry he'd splatter pretty hard realistically... in fact, he'd leave a crater. He'd be completely pulverized.
What you're saying about damage being spread out is, in this circumstance, about as useful as a water-gun in a forest fire.
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massively, you usually present a lot of logic in your claims and i look fondly on your opinions of miranda and cerberus.
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Thank you.
As demonstrated above, I can't extend the same courtesy to you.... like at all. Nothing personal, but you're deluded. Seriously, you're like Seival-levels of nuts. You've utterly convinced yourself that your headcanon is real, even capable of trumping science.
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but claiming shepard body should have been vaporized due to you know, reasons. is hardly an explanation.
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I didn't say reasons. I listed many reasons. I can even list you many links about what happens when something falls through the atmosphere. From NASA, from National Geographic, from Discovery... They're all pretty much the same. You tend to get really hot, really fast.
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yes his death was contrived. however it was well done.
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Executionally, his death is complete poo-poo pee-pee kakashit. There's no science. No logic. No common sense. Nothing... Literally, I'm personally fine with the death even if I think it was unnecessessary but it could have been done much more feasibly than by asphyxiating him, dropping him through the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds while the increased atmosphere creates friction that would normally incinerate him, and then smashing the remains into the planet after a several hundred kilometer drop.
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and with the exception of restorting functionality to brain there was nothing new presented here.
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Yeah... there kind of was.... Let's blame the terrible writing though...
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it was due to falling at alchera terminal velocity
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Headcanon and unrealistic.
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a suit which can stop rockets and immensely powerful slugs
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Completely... hilariously... unrealistic in this situation. And completely irrelevant in this situation.
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a possibile suit built in parachute
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Headcanon or lying, take your pick.
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and sub zero temperatures that shepard revival was possibile.
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... which would have also killed him long before revival was possible.
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shepard implants are similar to augments in deus ex, they made him better.
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What is the point of this point? This statement has no place in this argument. I thought we were talking about Shepard falling through the atmosphere? When did we start talking about implants that are after the Lazarus project? (In case you didn't notice, I'm being rhetorical. I'm being quite derisive of this... crap)
Also, where and why the hell are you drawing a comparison between two different video games?
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