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NeonFlux117

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Hard Science? I'd say project Lazarus, Biotics- most notably singularity-since it's in effect tearing though space and time and creating a black hole, lol. But really a lot of things in Mass Effect are quite in the realm of possibility if technology can catch up. Synthesis is kinda questionable but the 'catalyst' and crucible are magik. Biotic Charge is a little effy, only in, that it allows you to teleport through objects-again giving the illusion of space/time being altered on some level.

The biggest tho, has got to be ships with mass effect/antimatter cores. Not that it's impossible. No, again if technology catches up, then it is. No what major lulz, is that if a ship with this type of drive core blows up how does it not create a huge black hole/wormhole event? Seriously? dafuq???

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JasonShepard wrote...

Just to highlight a different area: Mass Effect gets Quantum Entanglement completely wrong.

ME2 introduces the idea of Quantum Entanglement Communicators. In ME3, they seem to be everywhere.
Then in the Leviathan DLC, any form of telepathy in the setting - The Rachni hive mind, Leviathan Domination, Reaper Indoctrination - they are all 'handwaved' as Quantum Entanglement between brains. (I'm working from Ann Bryson's dialogue here.) You could probably include Asari Melding in that, too.

One problem: Quantum Entanglement can't be used to transfer meaningful information. Which means that the very idea of a Quantum Entanglement Communicator is false.

(I'll put a mild proviso in here that certain versions of Quantum Theory do allow QECs, but they imply ridiculously strange things about the universe. Either they require a 'special' frame of reference, which breaks Einstein's relativity since all frames of reference should be equally valid... or, if you don't have a special frame of reference but you do have QECs, then you've got Time Travel.)


Uh, no. Wrong.

Quantum Entanglement can't transfer meaningful information as it is now, but we're a long way from any kind of proof that it's fundamentally impossible.

Go to Wikipedia and look it up. If it was fundamentally impossible, the article would say so in big fat bold letters right at the top of the page. It doesn't.

Modifié par David7204, 20 août 2013 - 10:32 .


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I can buy eezo. It is a necessary conceit for FTL travel and artificial gravity. Certain organisms evolving along side that element is fine though I don't think there being "special" humans who can develop the ability is realistic.

The thing I can't swallow is Synthesis. An energy signature that will rewrite every creature's DNA to combine flesh and machine. The assumption that a single energy pulse could change a Krogan and a Quarian and a Human without being fatal for one species (Quarian) or too weak for another (Krogan). The notion that billions of living beings wouldn't die as their bodies reject an invasion is silly. The idea that a single energy pulse (even if you use the relays to amplify it) could penetrate every nook and cranny of the galaxy is also silly. At least with destroy and control, all you have to accept is that the relays are blasting the Reapers.

Asari reproduction is not remotely believable. Let's not even go into the medical details of this one.

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Let's go into the medical details.

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iakus wrote...

The Lazarus Project.

Two years dead, and with the power of SCIENCE you can be resurrected with all your memories and skills intact. No physical therapy needed. No brain damage. No trauma (aside from a few orange scars on the face). Just get up and start shooting stuff.

And even better, despite the fact that this is a breakthrough in medical technology that can potentially rewrite everything we know about life and death, no one treats it like it's a big deal. It's just an expensive medical procedure no more worthy of comment than gallstones.



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Modifié par LiL Reapur, 20 août 2013 - 10:41 .


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We have Miranda telling Shepard that Lazarus is an incredible feat. We have Jacob telling Shepard that Lazarus is an incredible feat. We have Wilson telling Shepard that Lazarus is an incredible feat. We have the Illusive Man telling Shepard that Lazarus is an incredible feat. How many characters do we need repeating how incredible Lazarus was?

Has it occurred to you that having characters continually repeat the same line is boring and not particularly good writing?

Modifié par David7204, 20 août 2013 - 10:46 .


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"Shepard just so happens to have his/her memories intact".

But that's the whole point - without that, you are no closer to resurrecting the dead because the result will not be that person is any meaningful sense but just a clone.

as it occurred to you that having characters continually repeat the same line is boring and not particularly good writing?

ENEMIES EVERYWHERE! STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM! Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you with for a nuclear winter.

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Ebullism would have cold boiled shepards organs and thus causing blood bubbles to enter the blood stream. Then about 15 seconds after Shepards suit rupture at the begining of ME2. Shepards brain would turn to mush or a puddle-this is called Ebullsim.

This is a pretty funny video demonstrating that Lazarus is impossible and shepard 2.0 is a clone and/or not real.



Modifié par NeonFlux117, 20 août 2013 - 10:48 .


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David7204 wrote...

We have Miranda telling Shepard that Lazarus is an incredible feat. We have Jacob telling Shepard that Lazarus is an incredible feat. We have Wilson telling Shepard that Lazarus is an incredible feat. We have the Illusive Man telling Shepard that Lazarus is an incredible feat. How many characters do we need repeating how incredible Lazarus was?

Has it occurred to you that having characters continually repeat the same line is boring and not particularly good writing?


ALL helped with the project and are associated with Cerberus. I'm talking about everyone else.....

Modifié par LiL Reapur, 20 août 2013 - 10:50 .


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So you think it's good writing to basically have every character Shepard encounters to say "Wow! Lazarus is so incredible! I'm totally amazed!" for the upteenth time?

Modifié par David7204, 20 août 2013 - 10:51 .


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David7204 wrote...

So you think it's good writing to basically have every character Shepard encounters to say "Wow! Lazarus is so incredible! I'm totally amazed!" for the upteenth time?


Wouldn't hurt.....

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Oh yes, it would hurt. It would hurt. You see, repeating the basically the same line of dialogue and the same information that the player has heard a dozen times already is not good writing. It's very tedious, and it's very irritating.

You do not continually nag the audience with information they already know.

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Br3ad wrote...

Miranda's infertility makes as much since as Miranda herself existing.


... What?

Considering that in vitro fertilization has been a part of our medical repertoire for 35 years IRL, I would think that something akin to Miranda's form of birth would be possible in 160.

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The fact that no one ever modifies the genophage to compromise between 1 in 1000 births or 1000/1000 fertility. Why is a specially designed disease all or nothing? Maybe that's more a plot problem than a science problem but since they can seemingly modify it at will, I'm surprised this was never an option.

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Explain to me why Miranda's infertility makes no sense.

Or rather, explain to me why a doctor diagnosing Miranda with infertility makes no sense. Because that's actually the case.

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David7204 wrote...

So you think it's good writing to basically have every character Shepard encounters to say "Wow! Lazarus is so incredible! I'm totally amazed!" for the upteenth time?



You can explore the subject rather then ask the same question over and over,you are told that the project was an incredible feat but you never get to explore its spiritual,ethical,personal or what does it mean in a scientific way.
also asking a diffrent character the same question may give yiu a diffrent awnser that will keep it fresh for quite a while.

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naes1984 wrote...

The fact that no one ever modifies the genophage to compromise between 1 in 1000 births or 1000/1000 fertility. Why is a specially designed disease all or nothing? Maybe that's more a plot problem than a science problem but since they can seemingly modify it at will, I'm surprised this was never an option.


Mordin specifically says in ME 2 that his project to modify the genophage was a hundred times as difficult as originally creating it.

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David7204 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

The fact that no one ever modifies the genophage to compromise between 1 in 1000 births or 1000/1000 fertility. Why is a specially designed disease all or nothing? Maybe that's more a plot problem than a science problem but since they can seemingly modify it at will, I'm surprised this was never an option.


Mordin specifically says in ME 2 that his project to modify the genophage was a hundred times as difficult as originally creating it.


Yet they did it in a few years of Mordin's short lifespan so it's not impossible. 

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David7204 wrote...

Oh yes, it would hurt. It would hurt. You see, repeating the basically the same line of dialogue and the same information that the player has heard a dozen times already is not good writing. It's very tedious, and it's very irritating.

You do not continually nag the audience with information they already know.


Not saying the same line, you misunderstood me friend. I mean that at least another four people outside of cerberus or the project make a little comment about it, not HEY YOU! YOU SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD! But just some interesting dialog. That's all i'm asking for

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adayaday wrote...

David7204 wrote...

So you think it's good writing to basically have every character Shepard encounters to say "Wow! Lazarus is so incredible! I'm totally amazed!" for the upteenth time?



You can explore the subject rather then ask the same question over and
over,you are told that the project was an incredible feat but you never
get to explore its spiritual,ethical,personal or what does it mean in a
scientific.

And what it would be character derailment for Shepard to consider Lazarus a 'spiritual,ethical,personal' event in the first place? Because it pretty much would be. I wouldn't. Your brain lost function. It was restored. There's nothing spiritual or ethical to it.

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David7204 wrote...

We have Miranda telling Shepard that Lazarus is an incredible feat. We have Jacob telling Shepard that Lazarus is an incredible feat. We have Wilson telling Shepard that Lazarus is an incredible feat. We have the Illusive Man telling Shepard that Lazarus is an incredible feat. How many characters do we need repeating how incredible Lazarus was?

Has it occurred to you that having characters continually repeat the same line is boring and not particularly good writing?


Has it ever occured to you that people just blindly accepting a person coming back to life with no questions is just weird?

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David7204 wrote...

Explain to me why Miranda's infertility makes no sense.

Or rather, explain to me why a doctor diagnosing Miranda with infertility makes no sense. Because that's actually the case.


Because that doctor is an idiot to think that Miranda's condition is an actual problem. Also, infertility isn't you can be diagnosed with. It isn't some debilitating disease.

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naes1984 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Mordin specifically says in ME 2 that his project to modify the genophage was a hundred times as difficult as originally creating it.


Yet they did it in a few years of Mordin's short lifespan so it's not impossible. 

Gee, I had no idea the Reapers were willing to paitently wait for a few years while Mordin makes the modifications.

That doesn't even account for the fact that Mordin was working a dedicated team the first time around with who knows how much funding, while this time he's by himself.

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Has it ever occured to you that people just blindly accepting a person coming back to life with no questions is just weird?


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David7204 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Mordin specifically says in ME 2 that his project to modify the genophage was a hundred times as difficult as originally creating it.


Yet they did it in a few years of Mordin's short lifespan so it's not impossible. 

Gee, I had no idea the Reapers were willing to paitently wait for a few years while Mordin makes the modifications.

That doesn't even account for the fact that Mordin was working a dedicated team the first time around with who knows how much funding, while this time he's by himself.


You're being rude. I'm done with this conversation.