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[fchopin]

Op, i give you one point for liking Man United but the game is still pre alpha stage so they can not show what is not ready yet. I agree that they should do a better pr job for females but they cannot show what is not ready.

Take it easy and know that words have different meanings round the world.

[harmoniousk]

The use of "they" to describe a singular noun has only recently come back into fashion because of the belief that the use of "he" is sexist. (unless you want to nitpick and point out that it was also used in the 16th century - but who talks like that now?). So, you can use "they" if you insist - nobody is going to arrest you. But just know you are using a plural pronoun to describe a singular noun.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

harmoniousk, if it's in the Oxford English Dictionary, I think it's okay to use it.

[Neon Rising Winter]

harmoniousk wrote...

The use of "they" to describe a singular noun has only recently come back into fashion because of the belief that the use of "he" is sexist. (unless you want to nitpick and point out that it was also used in the 16th century - but who talks like that now?). So, you can use "they" if you insist - nobody is going to arrest you. But just know you are using a plural pronoun to describe a singular noun.

Until such time as it becomes common usage and the OED caves in. Anyone fancy a twenty-five year wager?

[Wulfram]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

harmoniousk, if it's in the Oxford English Dictionary, I think it's okay to use it.

The OED is descriptive, not prescriptive.  It reflects that a usage is common, it doesn't say that it is correct.

[happy_daiz]

This thread is exhausting.

And by now, I should think the point has been made.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 21 août 2013 - 02:48 .

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

If usage of the word IS common, then by evolution of language it IS correct.

In the same way that Shakespeare introduced the word 'Hint'. At one oint that word wouldn't have been widely used, then it was widely used, then it counts as an English word.

Or do you not think that any new words that were introduced then (e.g. 'Gloomy', 'Frugal', 'Arouse' or 'Submerge') count as English?

If I say that the boat was submerged, am I speaking incorrect English?

[WildOrchid]

Doveberry wrote...

I'm rather happy that this thread exists. It raises an important issue that really should be discussed.
I reacted at the comment quoted in the topic title. First they say "the Inquisitor himself", and then go on to explain that you can play as a mage, warrior or rogue, and as a human, elf or a dwarf. The option of a female protagonist isn't even mentioned. It would have taken half a second.

They should've say 'The Inquisitor himself/herself'. I don't think it's hard to say that.

Modifié par WildOrchid, 21 août 2013 - 02:53 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Why is it every thread on this forum devolves into a semantic argument about the definitions and usage of a single word? Every. Time.

[pdusen]

WildOrchid wrote...

Doveberry wrote...

I'm rather happy that this thread exists. It raises an important issue that really should be discussed.
I reacted at the comment quoted in the topic title. First they say "the Inquisitor himself", and then go on to explain that you can play as a mage, warrior or rogue, and as a human, elf or a dwarf. The option of a female protagonist isn't even mentioned. It would have taken half a second.

They should've say 'The Inquisitor himself/herself'. I don't think it's hard to say that.

Are you joking? Maybe in writing that's fine, but in verbal speech, nobody talks that way. It would get entirely too exhausting. Language always degenerates toward the simplest forms.

[WildOrchid]

pdusen wrote...



Are you joking? Maybe in writing that's fine, but in verbal speech, nobody talks that way. It would get entirely too exhausting. Language always degenerates toward the simplest forms.

I do. And I don't find it hard. To say that nobody talks like that is quite naive at least.

[TK514]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

@TK514, with all due respect, don't try and tell me how to be polite when you are insulting me directly in the same sentence.

I was just trying your method to see if it worked.

seriously, you claim that you were attempting to request more female representatation in the marketing, but there is not a single request in your OP.  Have you read it lately?  Do you even remember what you wrote?  

In fact, one of your main points, that there were no female inquisitors in the latest video, has been explicitly debunked, and reasonable explanations for why they use a single model over and over for armor concepts has been given as well, yet still you complain.

Never mind the fact that this particular marketing campaign is still in its infancy.  Never mind the fact that this marketing department has made specific and dedicated efforts to be female protagonist inclusive.  Now you're complaining about the developers' personal speech patterns, even when their useage isn't wrong, and deciding their production methods aren't iclusive enough.

i honestly don't know how you could be more petty.

Modifié par TK514, 21 août 2013 - 03:03 .

[Zombie_Alexis]

Taint Master wrote...

Zombie_Alexis wrote...

 This may not seem a big deal *to you*, but I assure you, feeling ignored when your money spends just as good as someone else's is not an unreasonable reaction.

So you're basically saying any promo material that doesn't explicitly reference you is completely ignoring you.  Is there really nothing at all interesting or relatable in that video solely because the protagonist template is male?

I'm still waiting on that multi-ethhic Inquisitor art.

Well, when you put it that way, yes. That is exactly what I'm saying. And it's not that I'm not used to it, because believe me,  I am. That doesn't mean I have to like or approve of it. But mostly I'm saying that it's just disappointing coming from Bioware. I do think that it will be remedied in future updates, but the fact that they had to be reminded that we're out here is disheartening.

[pdusen]

WildOrchid wrote...

pdusen wrote...

Are you joking? Maybe in writing that's fine, but in verbal speech, nobody talks that way. It would get entirely too exhausting. Language always degenerates toward the simplest forms.

I do. And I don't find it hard. To say that nobody talks like that is quite naive at least.

No, it's a generalization. I probably should have said virtually nobody talks like that, which is true.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

@TK514, again with the personal insults, please stop that...

Now, the reason my OP still says that is because editing it now would be rather disingenuous and would create a weird impression of the evolution of the argument throughout this thread.

When David showed me that there was one pic of her, I acknowledged it.

It's better to say that we (lots of people on this thread, I'm not alone) have an issue with the marketing in its early stages, rather than waiting a lnog time like the mass effect fans did.

And you STILL haven't commented on the fact that the developers actually agreed with me.

I don't see why you must disagree with everything people say; you never seem to stop complaining. (yes, that is a dig.)

You even disagree with the devs. Just can't win, can they?

[pdusen]

Zombie_Alexis wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

So you're basically saying any promo material that doesn't explicitly reference you is completely ignoring you.  Is there really nothing at all interesting or relatable in that video solely because the protagonist template is male?

I'm still waiting on that multi-ethhic Inquisitor art.

Well, when you put it that way, yes. That is exactly what I'm saying. And it's not that I'm not used to it, because believe me,  I am. That doesn't mean I have to like or approve of it. But mostly I'm saying that it's just disappointing coming from Bioware. I do think that it will be remedied in future updates, but the fact that they had to be reminded that we're out here is disheartening.

But don't you see how that's an unreasonable leap to make? By that standard, the only way to NOT leave anyone out is to make sure that every time you show anything inquisitor-related at all, you show equal portions of every race-ethnicity-gender combination that is possible. It's just not a realistic expectation.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

We've already seen multi-ethnic inquisitor art; the woman in the inauguration scene was black.

[Zombie_Alexis]

Actually, I *don't* think it's an unreasonable leap to make. Everyone already knows -- gamers and non-gamers alike -- that you can play as a male. It's just a given. So why not talk about the Inquisitor from the get go as female? All the fans would be "in the know" but it would shake things up for people on the outside looking in that this game is different than your usual video game. I understand that the female constructs are not finished, but that doesn't mean you can't reference the Inquisitor as female. Or put that information *somewhere* on the website, at the very least.

Why is it only "reasonable" to showcase the main character as male, when everyone already knows one can play as male?

[pdusen]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

We've already seen multi-ethnic inquisitor art; the woman in the inauguration scene was black.

That doesn't conflict with anything that I said.

[pdusen]

Zombie_Alexis wrote...

Actually, I *don't* think it's an unreasonable leap to make. Everyone already knows -- gamers and non-gamers alike -- that you can play as a male. It's just a given. So why not talk about the Inquisitor from the get go as female? All the fans would be "in the know" but it would shake things up for people on the outside looking in that this game is different than your usual video game. I understand that the female constructs are not finished, but that doesn't mean you can't reference the Inquisitor as female. Or put that information *somewhere* on the website, at the very least.

Why is it only "reasonable" to showcase the main character as male, when everyone already knows one can play as male?

It isn't and I never said or implied it was.

I recommend you reread the post you were responding to.

[duckley]

Oh brother...or should I say sister. Done that, been there...

[ShadyKat]

Well how about a dwarf or elf in the marketing?.....Or a person of color? We can create all of them, so way not use different overall races in the marketing, why just stop with women?