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[Ianamus]

I just found it amusing that while talking about how our character can be whatever we want them to be we were being shown the image of the one human male in many different armours.

The armours looked great mind, but I'm not sure it was the most appropriate piece to be showing for that particular line.

A minor nitpick though, other than that the video as a whole was very interesting.

Modifié par EJ107, 20 août 2013 - 05:58 .

[David Gaider]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...
@David, I wouldn't find it annoying if it didn't *always* seem like they start male first. I don't think it's just an 'eeny meeny miney mo' situation there.

No, of course they start off with the male as the base because that is still the majority of the users. That's not in question, is it? So that's what they had the most of when it came to armor concepts for this particular video.

I'm not really going to argue the rest. I think folks are being a little sensitive with regards to the presentation, but it's not without cause and it's worth reminding folks that there are lots of female players out there who are curious regarding what we're doing with DAI.

Also, I apologise but could you point out which art in the video was of a female PC? Sorry, it's just I looked and most seemed to me to be male, and one or two looked slightly ambiguous (although as I say, one of the ambiguous ones had the exact same clothes and weapon on as a male pc did earlier, so).

I'm not going to make a list, but I imagine you likely thought some of them were NPC's-- such as the flag-carrying PC at the 2:12 mark, I think?

[Cainhurst Crow]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

@Darth Brotarian, for the second time that was not the main focus of my OP. I'm talking about concept art here; the quote in the title was just a good way of making the purpose of this thread clear.

So I shouldn't call attention the fact I find the main purpose of the thread questionable?

You cna play as a female character in the story, and there are no penalties for doing so. I don't see why artifically inserting what are essentially name drops for the female gender topic as being important or relevant.

[esper]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

@Esper, the person on the throne is so shrouded that even if it was a woman it might as well have not been. IF we are going to be treated to male protagonists being shown with their faces out and doing battle, and just the female with her head completely obscured, then I would rather not see female PC at all atm and just wait until they actually show her.

I agree, but that was what we got:unsure:.

[Dokarqt]

Reason why they saw it necessary to specifically call out the option to play as other races than humans but not that you can play as a different sex is likely because the fact that you could only play human in DA2 was a pretty big deal at the time; thus it made sense for them to specifically tell the fans "Dont worry, you're not limited to humans this time".

If DA2 didn't allow you to play a female char but Inquisition did I am sure that would've been mentioned clearly and emphatically. No reason to assume some malign plot by the scheming and evil patriarchy.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

@oldirtybaron, it's not *about* what the man said. That was just the title of the thread because it fitted well. And it's not *just* those armour concepts that it was male. In the majority of concept arts, as well as the first trailer (you can tell it's a male model right at the end of the desert scene), it has been male too, and for a company that seems to hold equality so high, this is disappointing.

"My argument was with your comment about timing being irrelevant." I know that. And I stand by it: In the context of showing female armours as well as male armours in that specific video, yes, the timing is irrelevant.

[PlasmaCheese]

Omg, that hatttt. How do I keep missing these pictures. D:

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

"So I shouldn't call attention the fact I find the main purpose of the thread questionable?"

Oh feel free to do so, but that's not what your original comment showed. That comment was you disagreeing that the comments of this single man who referred to the inquisitor as a male was important. I completely agree with that. The purpose of this thread is not to say 'What that man said is wrong', it's to say 'Bioware are not giving both genders equal marketing'.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

@David Gaider, forgive me but I can't see anyone holding a flag at 2:12? I just see someone cutting off an undead thing's head.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Oh I think I see who you mean (that's at 2:20 in the video I'm watching).

Oh well if that's a woman that's great news, because I (honestly) was hoping to make a bald female protagonist for this at some point! Very excited for that

[AlexanderCousland]

Umm. Let's ask ourselves a question, Why is it fair to complain about Men being shown in concept art? How about we ask for Female concept art & trailer's WITHOUT complaining about men. How about this, Hey Bioware can we see some Female armour concept art?

[David Gaider]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...
@David Gaider, forgive me but I can't see anyone holding a flag at 2:12? I just see someone cutting off an undead thing's head.

Sorry, typo-- at 2:21.

Modifié par David Gaider, 20 août 2013 - 06:08 .

[The dead fish]

edit : lol, already answered.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 20 août 2013 - 06:10 .

[Soundsystem]

I seriously hope that we will get some female Inquisitor trailers, much like the Fem!Shep trailers of ME3.

As a female fan it's just getting old to constantly only see male PC's in the marketing for games. Especially in games where you can choose the gender. I think more and more people are also getting similarly tired. I've been gaming for roughly 13+ years. I'm tired of sucking it up.

Especially having listed "Oh look at all the things you can be" and neglecting to mention female protagonists. Yes, as a long time Bioware fan, I know Bioware will likely stick with the tradition of having both male and female PC's. However,Bioware seems to be just assuming people will magically know their history and that they can play as either gender. Well, we all know what happens when you assume..

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Yeah, I can see Well bald women confirmed! Ahaha, this can perhaps take the prize of first hairstyle confirmed for DAI I guess ^^

[LadyRaena13]

They specifically mention that you can play different races because *some* people were upset that they'd have to play as a human which is what we were told up until a couple of weeks ago. Also I'm sure they mention warrior,rogue and mage specifically so people will understand that you don't have to be pro templar/chantry/circle that those choices are still there. SO far no one has been *DO we get to play as a female still?" I'm assuming that's why they haven't felt the need to bring it up.

[OLDIRTYBARON]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

@oldirtybaron, it's not *about* what the man said. That was just the title of the thread because it fitted well. And it's not *just* those armour concepts that it was male. In the majority of concept arts, as well as the first trailer (you can tell it's a male model right at the end of the desert scene), it has been male too, and for a company that seems to hold equality so high, this is disappointing.

"My argument was with your comment about timing being irrelevant." I know that. And I stand by it: In the context of showing female armours as well as male armours in that specific video, yes, the timing is irrelevant.

Except aside from that one section with the different armours, your entire argument falls apart as the Inquisitor may or may not be shown in all of the concept art otherwise. You're assuming it's always a male, but there were females in those pieces as well. They specifically don't call attention to the male or the female in any of the pieces (save for the Barbie's Dress Up Fantasy Edition section). Surely you can see this?

Perhaps this thread should be retitled "Of Mountains and Molehills"?

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

@Freshistay, because in this case, a great deal of presence of one gender has revealed the lack of the other.

[Siona]

Soundsystem wrote...

I seriously hope that we will get some female Inquisitor trailers, much like the Fem!Shep trailers of ME3.

As a female fan it's just getting old to constantly only see male PC's in the marketing for games. Especially in games where you can choose the gender. I think more and more people are also getting similarly tired. I've been gaming for roughly 13+ years. I'm tired of sucking it up.

Especially having listed "Oh look at all the things you can be" and neglecting to mention female protagonists. Yes, as a long time Bioware fan, I know Bioware will likely stick with the tradition of having both male and female PC's. However,Bioware seems to be just assuming people will magically know their history and that they can play as either gender. Well, we all know what happens when you assume..

Agreed

[The dead fish]

LadyRaena13 wrote...

They specifically mention that you can play different races because *some* people were upset that they'd have to play as a human which is what we were told up until a couple of weeks ago. Also I'm sure they mention warrior,rogue and mage specifically so people will understand that you don't have to be pro templar/chantry/circle that those choices are still there. SO far no one has been *DO we get to play as a female still?" I'm assuming that's why they haven't felt the need to bring it up.

I didn't think it needed so much to be mentioned to be honest given Bioware's records. I was more bothered by the fact that  we could see so many concepts with armor for the male inquisitor and not even one for the female inquisitor. But if the work hasn't even begun yet for the female inquisitor, it's normal.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 20 août 2013 - 06:16 .

[ladyiolanthe]

Siona wrote...
It's one thing to talk about it, but I'd like them to show it more, and want even more for them to actually showcase it. If there's any hope I have for DA3's marketing, it's that it'll actually put their diversity of choice into the spotlight.

Yes. For better or for worse, I perceive BioWare as having set itself up (stuck its neck out?) to champion the representation of women, visible minorities, and LGBTQ persons in video games. Which is a good thing. I'm glad that someone is doing it, and I'm super happy and proud that a company with its roots in my home town of Edmonton is the one that's doing it.

Unfortunately, when a person or an entity puts itself out there in such a way, there's often a perception (in the eyes of those they are championing, anyway) that they are taking on a greater responsibility to represent the people they're championing in all aspects of what they do, not just the final outcome (which in this case, is the ship version of DAI). 

So I think that BioWare has come under greater scrutiny because of this. There's a greater expectation that they'll show women and visible minorities in their marketing products in order to back up what they're saying at conventions and the like. That's why stuff like this is a big deal for some of us.

It's growing pains, really. Which is why I was only mildly annoyed by the lack of female Inquisitors in the video. I recognize that sweeping change to the gaming industry is not going to occur overnight. I also figured that the reason they only showed male humans was that male humans might be what they use as a base model for designing armour, etc. - after which they adapt the skins and meshes to fit female humans, and both sexes of dwarves and elves. And I'm okay with that, really. We still have a year to go, and I have faith that BioWare will present more diversity the closer they get to shipping the game.

Edited for typo. 

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 20 août 2013 - 06:22 .

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

@Oldirtybaron, so apart from an intergral part of my argument, my argument falls apart? How surrising.

In other breaking news: apparently removing a tent pole can cause a tent to collapse! Who would've guessed?

And it's not may or may not be shown in, quote, "all" of the other concept art. Often, it is very clearly a man. Just like in the first trailer.

In fact it is more often clearly a man than it is clearly a woman.

Feel free to show me that there are roughly even numbers of male and female PCs in the concept art so far though. I like being proved wrong, because it makes me more right

[badboy64]

Siona wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

I seriously hope that we will get some female Inquisitor trailers, much like the Fem!Shep trailers of ME3.

As a female fan it's just getting old to constantly only see male PC's in the marketing for games. Especially in games where you can choose the gender. I think more and more people are also getting similarly tired. I've been gaming for roughly 13+ years. I'm tired of sucking it up.

Especially having listed "Oh look at all the things you can be" and neglecting to mention female protagonists. Yes, as a long time Bioware fan, I know Bioware will likely stick with the tradition of having both male and female PC's. However,Bioware seems to be just assuming people will magically know their history and that they can play as either gender. Well, we all know what happens when you assume..

Agreed

I agree also. I am a male player and I play female character 100% of the time.