@Ladyraena, actually last year I did make a thread asking if we could be a woman. It was on my old account and I have no idea what the thread was called, but I did ask, just to make sure.
"The Inquisitor Himself" (To all of you who don't want to read before you comment, no this thread does not doubt in ANY way that we will be able to play as a female protagonist. It sim...
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#77
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:19
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www.dragonage.com/Faerunner wrote...
Once again, what promotional material is the OP talking about? I don't know which video, article or ad you're talking about, so I can't comment on it. (This is becoming a really bad habit in the DAI forum and it's driving me crazy.)
I will say though that I've seen videos and interviews on the return of race options, and each time they showcased concept art of female elves and dwarves, so I think people can assume that female player characters are part of the deal. From what I understand, just because they haven't cast a glaring spotlight on female human inquisitors specifically doesn't mean they aren't important.
#78
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:20
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@Faerunner, this is the video I am talking about (although I am also talking about other released concept art to a lesser extent).
#79
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:23
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@Freshistay, because in this case, a great deal of presence of one gender has revealed the lack of the other.
So ask to see what's lacking! dont complain about the other gender. It's almost like being upset at the Power Puff Girls, because there Isnt a Power Puff Boy. I wouldn't complain about the Girls, I'd ask to see the boy.
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Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:26
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ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...
@Freshistay, because in this case, a great deal of presence of one gender has revealed the lack of the other.
So ask to see what's lacking! dont complain about the other gender. It's almost like being upset at the Power Puff Girls, because there Isnt a Power Puff Boy. I wouldn't complain about the Girls, I'd ask to see the boy.
I doubt you'd want to ask to see that.
Anyway, just because a woman isn't getting shown too much doesn't mean they're not there, or there's some representation issue. If I recall, few if any trailers showed different races for the player in Origins other than Human, but that didn't mean the Dwarf and Elf origins weren't fun.
#81
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:27
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@Freshistay, we ARE asking to see what's lacking.
And comparing dragon age, a game where gender is a choice, to a tv show where you have no influence on the characters whatsoever is pointless.
And comparing dragon age, a game where gender is a choice, to a tv show where you have no influence on the characters whatsoever is pointless.
#82
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:28
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I'd really like the cover of the game to be either a female or male inquisitor, it need not show the entire face. Mabye have a hood on then the different body just so you know that that's a man and that's a women. Idk. I also really liked the way The ME team did it.
#83
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:32
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You say their in english. Or the could just use the Inqusitior, but the trouble is that did not even mention you could play as female.
It's becoming more and more common now, but I was actually taught (by my not at all old, female University Professor) to use "he" in gender neutral context because she was of the mind that you do not match the plural "they" (or it's equivalents) with a singular noun, and constant use of "he or she" everywhere ends up becoming distracting and wordy.
For better or worse. From then I saw usage in that context to be similar to referring to "man" or "mankind" when referring to "****** sapiens." Although I have started to revert back to using "they" since people would read too much into my usage of the word "he" (whether on BSN or otherwise)
A quick reference.
http://oxforddiction...she-versus-they
EDIT: As for the concept art, I can't really answer why it was drawn more with male characters instead of female ones.
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#84
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:33
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It would be great if Bioware featured the female PC more. Putting aside any argument about marketing, the fact of the matter is that a significant portion of fans are women, and featuring a female PC makes them feel valued and included.
#85
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:34
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Feel free to show me that there are roughly even numbers of male and female PCs in the concept art so far though. I like being proved wrong, because it makes me more right
I am convinced you're being obtuse on purpose. The truth is that I don't care enough about this subject to continue arguing further, so I will leave this thread with this final thought.
The fact that BioWare gives you the option to play as a female and does not preach it from the mountain tops is far more progressive than the bull**** marketing you see for a game like Tomb Raider, or Remember Me, or any other game that feature a female protagonist prominently. Those tend to leer at their heroine or dress them rather provactively for the benefit of the male gaze. However, for BioWare, choosing your sex is just part of the experience. Male or female, it doesn't matter. The Inquisitor is referred to in gender neutral terms all out of respect for their audience because they know you exist and don't want to offend you. The idea that they're somehow causing great offense by one developer making one slip, and by choosing to show one gender and one race to show off a bunch of armour options should not invalidate any of what I've mentioned.
I suppose my biggest problem with this thread is that you're making a stink when nobody farted. At all. The hard truth is that the majority of BioWare's audience are male, and most likely for the foreseeable future, their marketing will always appeal first to their male players. Over the last several years however, they've become far more inclusionary than they ever needed to be in regards to promoting Female Shepard as well as the female options of their games all together. This idea that one single developer diary (a year and four months from release, even!) can somehow cheapen all of the good news to come out about this game is preposterous. That you choose to focus on one line by one developer is preposterous. The idea that race selection, the possibility of a playable Qunari protagonist, speculation about companions, the return of Tactical View (The BioWare term for Isometric), and all of the other great news is cheapened because one video failed to reiterate the same point for the millionth time (that, of course, as always, you can play as a female member of any playable race) is preposterous.
#86
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:37
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I am actually more interested in what the concept art showed.
Can a dev give us a confirmation that, we can equip our Inquisitor with whatever we like, as shown in the concept art?
Or, in other words, is Mage Plate confirmed? We saw Mage inquisitors in armor this time around, what is happening around that subject, dear devs? :]
Can a dev give us a confirmation that, we can equip our Inquisitor with whatever we like, as shown in the concept art?
Or, in other words, is Mage Plate confirmed? We saw Mage inquisitors in armor this time around, what is happening around that subject, dear devs? :]
#87
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:38
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I saw you leave the comment on my wall. I'm not 100% certain so I don't want to give a definitive answer to that, unfortunately. But I do hope it is the case, personally.
#88
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:38
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Meh, Bioware/EA might release a fem protag trailer in the near future.
#89
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:39
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Allan Schumacher wrote...
I saw you leave the comment on
my wall. I'm not 100% certain so I don't want to give a definitive
answer to that, unfortunately. But I do hope it is the case,
personally.
Oh, ok, if you find out by the way sometime, it would be awesome if you could share the info with us.
That is what i understood from what i saw and heard, however.
And yes, i do hope for the same thing, ho :pp
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#90
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:40
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I'd really like the cover of the game to be either a female or male inquisitor, it need not show the entire face. Mabye have a hood on then the different body just so you know that that's a man and that's a women. Idk. I also really liked the way The ME team did it.
Better not.. I'd end up buying a copy of both the femquisitor and the malequisitor version and my wallet would weep.
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Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:41
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Yeah, that's what I thought too. From what I understood he or in this case himself can also be used as a gender neutral usage in case the gender from the person in question isn't clear/known.Allan Schumacher wrote...
It's becoming more and more common now, but I was actually taught (by my not at all old, female University Professor) to use "he" in gender neutral context because she was of the mind that you do not match the plural "they" (or it's equivalents) with a singular noun, and constant use of "he or she" everywhere ends up becoming distracting and wordy.
Of course that's coming from a non native speaker so that could've changed or something.
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Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:44
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There wasn't really any elven or dwarven concept art either. They have to start from one point and they chose Human male because this is the most played character in the game. It makes sense to start with the most popular form and then develop the other characters from there.
#93
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:44
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ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...
@Freshistay, we ARE asking to see what's lacking.
And comparing dragon age, a game where gender is a choice, to a tv show where you have no influence on the characters whatsoever is pointless.
Yes but not without issue. Complaining about Male representation isn't productive to achieving Female representation to the degree your hoping for. Ask yourself this, what person would feel sympathetic to the issue if you have a problem with concept art of people who look like them. Fair question, I think.
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Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:45
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I've never heard of "he" becoming the accepted gender neutral. That seems a little problematic. I'ma keep using "they."
That's not to say that I could care less about the word they used. Obviously gender choice will be available, don't be dumb.
That's not to say that I could care less about the word they used. Obviously gender choice will be available, don't be dumb.
#95
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:45
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We had Mages wearing armor in DA2. The champion set in particular.Kuroi Kishin wrote...
I am actually more interested in what the concept art showed.
Can a dev give us a confirmation that, we can equip our Inquisitor with whatever we like, as shown in the concept art?
Or, in other words, is Mage Plate confirmed? We saw Mage inquisitors in armor this time around, what is happening around that subject, dear devs? :]
It may be the same situation.
#96
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:46
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The 13th Dark Sheep wrote...
Mecha Elf wrote...
I'd really like the cover of the game to be either a female or male inquisitor, it need not show the entire face. Mabye have a hood on then the different body just so you know that that's a man and that's a women. Idk. I also really liked the way The ME team did it.
Better not.. I'd end up buying a copy of both the femquisitor and the malequisitor version and my wallet would weep.
They could just make the cover art booklet double sided, like Skyrim did. Or something more similar to the N7 version of ME3 which had both versions of Shepard on the tin. Personally the reversable option is probably the better of the two.
#97
Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:50
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@filament, I never said I don't think we'll be able to play as a woman.....
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Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:54
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I feel this belongs to the "thinking too much" box. OP, I understand where you're coming from, but BioWare can't be the figure head for an entire reformation. It's not like the devs themselves are to blame, or hell, even the marketing team. The world, as it is now, is evolving from its patriarchal past, it'll take time, but soon enough gender will matter as much as race. I think its a much healthier form of evolution when the world begins to think of these things from the get go, and doesn't feel forced into doing it.
Moreover, BioWare have been a huge part at pushing eqaulity forward. Man, the only other game that talks about their homosexual love life as openly as BioWare is The Longest Journey, and that's from the 90's. BioWare at least have the decency to make some great characters who are of every sex, gender and sexuality.
Their marketing has always been a bit messy, and not only in this but on other things as well. They lie to us, give us half-truths, blow things up and fail to deliver. Yet, they still make improvements. ME3's Female Shepard is a step in the right direction, and this is only the early stages of marketing. I expect a lot from the female Inquisitor once things start to pour out.
Moreover, BioWare have been a huge part at pushing eqaulity forward. Man, the only other game that talks about their homosexual love life as openly as BioWare is The Longest Journey, and that's from the 90's. BioWare at least have the decency to make some great characters who are of every sex, gender and sexuality.
Their marketing has always been a bit messy, and not only in this but on other things as well. They lie to us, give us half-truths, blow things up and fail to deliver. Yet, they still make improvements. ME3's Female Shepard is a step in the right direction, and this is only the early stages of marketing. I expect a lot from the female Inquisitor once things start to pour out.
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Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:59
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@simfamSP, I agree with everything you said except for ME3's femshep being a step in the right direction; she had more lesbian romance options than straight ones (I wonder why *rolls eyes*), and this is a step BACKWARDS considering how good Bioware were with romances for each gender before that.
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Posté 20 août 2013 - 06:59
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Taleroth wrote...
We had Mages wearing armor in DA2. The champion set in particular.Kuroi Kishin wrote...
I am actually more interested in what the concept art showed.
Can a dev give us a confirmation that, we can equip our Inquisitor with whatever we like, as shown in the concept art?
Or, in other words, is Mage Plate confirmed? We saw Mage inquisitors in armor this time around, what is happening around that subject, dear devs? :]
It may be the same situation.
From what i've seen, it might be that and even more.
But, to be fair, it was easy to wear any armor you liked even in DA2, the stat reqs were low, and few armors were class restricted.
We saw a lot of Mage potential Inquisitors, even the first picture(one on the right), with armor, so i'm assuming they are giving a bit of freedom as they said, at least in armors.
Anyway, confirmation about whatever will come along the way at some point.
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