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[LadyRaena13]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Dear feminists.... Please avoid having anything to do with Dragon Age. I don't want you to intimidate the Dragon Age Bioware team staffs to put more feminine crap in the game just to please you. I personally do not want to be forced to be a female Inquisitor! If it bothers you that much then you should play another game. Go play Tomb raider or something.

I can't believe people are complaining about this already. GO complain about something else already.

You do realize how misogynistic you sound right? The women asking to have a choice to play as women aren't trying to take away the male inquisitor. 

[Sylvianus]

Except the witcher 2 in which rpg that say " customize your character " you can't play a woman ?

[Sundance31us]

Caellis wrote...

Also

The figure's very androgynous. I can't tell if it's a man or a woman

Could be Morrigan, though that looks like Champion armor.

[esper]

TK514 wrote...

This is premature. You're already complaining about a marketing effort that has barely begun and has over a year to go. You've got, what, six to nine minutes of video and a dozen or so stills to talk about so far? And that's the basis for your complaint?

It's interesting that you've decided to skip right past the request stage, 'Can we have some female representation in future DA:I marketing?' and instead felt it was the appropriate time for the complain stage "Inequality! They used a male pronoun and a handful of male concept art! Woe unto the female gamers!"

It's possible that in a few months your concern over lack of playable gals in the marketing will be born out, but if it is, it won't be because BioWare hates women. It'll be because they determined that since less than 1 out of 5 people finished a female playthrough in the last game they had a female PC in the marketing, they made a conscious decision that the demographic wasn't big enough to focus their limited marketing budget on.

Hopefully that won't be the case. Ideally we'll get some women being inquisitive in the marketing, but in my opinion while it's probably appropriate to request, it's way too early to complain about.

That is because there is inequality at this stage. The marketing has begun, thus they should already start to include their female gamers.

It espically send the wrong message when they go: 'Oh you can customize your inquestior' and then don't mention gender.

[esper]

Sylvianus wrote...

Except the witcher 2 in which rpg that say " customize your character " you can't play a woman ?

Exactly. Customiszing =/= automatic gender choice.

[pdusen]

esper wrote...
It espically send the wrong message when they go: 'Oh you can customize your inquestior' and then don't mention gender.

They didn't mention hair either.

[Beerfish]

LadyRaena13 wrote...



You do realize how misogynistic you sound right? The women asking to have a choice to play as women aren't trying to take away the male inquisitor. 

Actually this is not what is being asked on these forums at all.  What is being asked is for equal or at least a much larger female representation in promo materials.  DA, DA2, ME1, ME2, ME3, NWN, all the infinity games, just about every BioWare game you can play as a female.

[MiSS Provencale]

[quote]Poison93 wrote...

[quote]Lord Raijin wrote...

Dear feminists.... Please avoid having anything to do with Dragon Age. I don't want you to intimidate the Dragon Age Bioware team staffs to put more feminine crap in the game just to please you. I personally do not want to be forced to be a female Inquisitor! If it bothers you that much then you should play another game. Go play Tomb raider or something.

I can't believe people are complaining about this already. GO complain about something else already.[/quote]

We are not feminists we just want some legitimate equality for female players and this is normal.:devil:

[MissOuJ]

Sylvianus wrote...

Except the witcher 2 in which rpg that say " customize your character " you can't play a woman ?

Exactly! An excellent point.

[esper]

pdusen wrote...

esper wrote...
It espically send the wrong message when they go: 'Oh you can customize your inquestior' and then don't mention gender.

They didn't mention hair either.

I don't care about hair. But if I did and I did not hang out in the forum I would at this point also assume that hair wasn't part of the custumization.

[MiSS Provencale]

LadyRaena13 wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Dear feminists.... Please avoid having anything to do with Dragon Age. I don't want you to intimidate the Dragon Age Bioware team staffs to put more feminine crap in the game just to please you. I personally do not want to be forced to be a female Inquisitor! If it bothers you that much then you should play another game. Go play Tomb raider or something.

I can't believe people are complaining about this already. GO complain about something else already.

You do realize how misogynistic you sound right? The women asking to have a choice to play as women aren't trying to take away the male inquisitor. 

Some people still believe in the prehistoric ...:bandit:

[LadyRaena13]

Beerfish wrote...

LadyRaena13 wrote...



You do realize how misogynistic you sound right? The women asking to have a choice to play as women aren't trying to take away the male inquisitor. 

Actually this is not what is being asked on these forums at all.  What is being asked is for equal or at least a much larger female representation in promo materials.  DA, DA2, ME1, ME2, ME3, NWN, all the infinity games, just about every BioWare game you can play as a female.

Sorry I read that comment and lost sight of what the thread was saying.  You're right of course, it took a little jostling (if I remember correctly) to add the FemShep taking back earth trailer and to do the packaging as well. But all in all I'm sure everything will work out fine and the devs will provide with some female marketing things a little later. 

[Lord Raijin]

Soundsystem wrote...

I'm sorry equality intimidates you so.

Much as you do not want to be forced to be a female Inquisitor, I do not want to be forced to be a male Inquisitor. All we are asking for is that marketing and such reflect that there are two gender options available. If that bothers you so much go read a different forum.

Unlike asking for human/dwarf/elf options to get equal marketing time, women are actually real, and are a large part of Bioware's target audience.

It doesn't intimidate me at all. I'm just sick of tired of reading ridiculous complaints from the feminists regarding to lack of models of female Inquisitors. IMO that is NOT all that important. Whats truly important is the quality of the game, and the story... not which gender gets posted up on the cover.

[pdusen]

esper wrote...

pdusen wrote...

esper wrote...
It espically send the wrong message when they go: 'Oh you can customize your inquestior' and then don't mention gender.

They didn't mention hair either.

I don't care about hair. But if I did and I did not hang out in the forum I would at this point also assume that hair wasn't part of the custumization.

So you think they should mention every customization option every time they talk about customization so that nobody feels left out?

You know, it isn't normal to expect people to describe every thing at length every time they talk about something.

[Wulfram]

TK514 wrote...

This is premature. You're already complaining about a marketing effort that has barely begun and has over a year to go. You've got, what, six to nine minutes of video and a dozen or so stills to talk about so far? And that's the basis for your complaint?

Might as well make your complaint when there's still time for it to be addressed.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

@soundsystem

Femshep had Kelly as well (who does count as a full romance; she appears as a flashback at least.)

So that gives Mshep with 7 straight options and 2 gay, and femshep with 2 straight options and 3 lesbian. Hardly seems fair.

[Blackrising]

Poison93 wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Dear feminists.... Please avoid having anything to do with Dragon Age. I don't want you to intimidate the Dragon Age Bioware team staffs to put more feminine crap in the game just to please you. I personally do not want to be forced to be a female Inquisitor! If it bothers you that much then you should play another game. Go play Tomb raider or something.

I can't believe people are complaining about this already. GO complain about something else already.

We are not feminists we just want some legitimate equality for female players and this is normal.:devil:

Personally, I would argue that everyone who wants equal rights (be they in gaming or otherwise) for women is a feminist.

It's kinda sad how being a feminist is now apparently something bad.

[brushyourteeth]

Just one female talking here, and only speaking for myself, but I'm not that bummed about not seeing a female inquisitor yet.

It would have been awesome if we had, but no big that we haven't. It's early in the game yet, and strong women have already gotten a lot of representation in the promotional stuff so far.

The only bummer was seeing all the cool male armor customization stuff and none for the ladies. But all in good time.

[MiSS Provencale]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

I'm sorry equality intimidates you so.

Much as you do not want to be forced to be a female Inquisitor, I do not want to be forced to be a male Inquisitor. All we are asking for is that marketing and such reflect that there are two gender options available. If that bothers you so much go read a different forum.

Unlike asking for human/dwarf/elf options to get equal marketing time, women are actually real, and are a large part of Bioware's target audience.

It doesn't intimidate me at all. I'm just sick of tired of reading ridiculous complaints from the feminists regarding to lack of models of female Inquisitors. IMO that is NOT all that important. Whats truly important is the quality of the game, and the story... not which gender gets posted up on the cover.

You say it because you're a boy. do not talk about things you do not understand!

[brushyourteeth]

Blackrising wrote...

Poison93 wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Dear feminists.... Please avoid having anything to do with Dragon Age. I don't want you to intimidate the Dragon Age Bioware team staffs to put more feminine crap in the game just to please you. I personally do not want to be forced to be a female Inquisitor! If it bothers you that much then you should play another game. Go play Tomb raider or something.

I can't believe people are complaining about this already. GO complain about something else already.

We are not feminists we just want some legitimate equality for female players and this is normal.:devil:

Personally, I would argue that everyone who wants equal rights (be they in gaming or otherwise) for women is a feminist.

It's kinda sad how being a feminist is now apparently something bad.

Yeah. Feminists are just people who don't hate women.

Aaaaand last time I checked, our dollars were just as valuable as any man's. So Bioware will listen to us accordingly.

[TK514]

esper wrote...

That is because there is inequality at this stage. The marketing has begun, thus they should already start to include their female gamers.

It espically send the wrong message when they go: 'Oh you can customize your inquestior' and then don't mention gender.

That's absurd.  There aren't even remotely enough examples for a reasonable inequality complaint at this stage in the marketing.  The absolute worst you could say is that they haven't made a focused effort to differentiate gender, at which point I'm going to laugh at you for manufacturing a reason to whine.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

@Caellis, that is the picture where if would be ambiguous, but in another piece of context art, the figure wearing that exact armour is clearly male.

[esper]

pdusen wrote...

esper wrote...

pdusen wrote...

esper wrote...
It espically send the wrong message when they go: 'Oh you can customize your inquestior' and then don't mention gender.

They didn't mention hair either.

I don't care about hair. But if I did and I did not hang out in the forum I would at this point also assume that hair wasn't part of the custumization.

So you think they should mention every customization option every time they talk about customization so that nobody feels left out?

You know, it isn't normal to expect people to describe every thing at length every time they talk about something.

No, but mention you can play as both a man and a woman and showcasing both equally is pretty important. And it wouldn't have taken him more than a second. "You can play as man, woman - elf, dwarf and human because we know how important custimization is to you."

The later it is done, the more the female inqusitor will seems as just an after thought.

[Lord Raijin]

LadyRaena13 wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Dear feminists.... Please avoid having anything to do with Dragon Age. I don't want you to intimidate the Dragon Age Bioware team staffs to put more feminine crap in the game just to please you. I personally do not want to be forced to be a female Inquisitor! If it bothers you that much then you should play another game. Go play Tomb raider or something.

I can't believe people are complaining about this already. GO complain about something else already.

You do realize how misogynistic you sound right? The women asking to have a choice to play as women aren't trying to take away the male inquisitor. 

In Dragon Age you are given the option to play as a woman. In Dragon Age 2 you are also given the option to play as a woman... I guarantee you 100% that the next game you can have the option to play as a woman.

And no I'm not sounding misogynistic. I have an utmost respect for women, both personally and politically.

[AutumnWitch]

As a woman, lesbian, feminist and writer I am saddened again it appears (and I admit I am assuming here) from what we saw in the video BW is designing DAI with the fact that the protagonist is male. Which means that again, we who chose female PC will just get the same experience we would get if we chose male except that we will have hips and boobs.

Many here will ask? What is wrong with that? Well in my opinion it belittles the female sex to an afterthought of the male. I ask you BW? How different do you think this story would be if the protagonist was a woman and seeing the world through her eyes? I am not saying one is better than the other but what I am saying is that they are different.

No matter how many people want it to not be, the fact is men and women see and experience the world differently. If the game had been written for a female protagonist I bet that there would have to be some changes that would have to be made if the player chose to play male. But for some reason, when a game is written for a male, there doesn't seem to be the same concern for making changes if someone wants to play as female. What this means is just what I said above, by not making the female experience different than the males you are basically saying the male experience should be good enough for you without any changes, which belittles women by basically saying a man's experience is somehow more universal or even better.

This is the very reason that when the game is developed/written the male POV is almost always chosen even if the player can choose to play as female. As a society, it has been assumed that the male POV/experience is somehow more universal than choosing to write it as a female POV. It is assumed that instead of writing two different POV's the male's is good enough for both. But do we ever see that the other way round? And the fact that we don't (or hardly ever do) means that somewhere out there it is assumed that the female POV/experience isn't suitable or good enough for men. So basically as women we have to choose (in most gaming) to just make do because it should be good enough for us to enjoy.

I was truly hoping this time that maybe BW might understand this and give us women something special, just for us (and those who want to play as us).

Modifié par AutumnWitch, 20 août 2013 - 07:44 .