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[Zack_Nero]

Their is a lot of speculation that Cole would be a companion to the  inquisitor for this upcoming game.  While he did play a big role in the book Asunder.  I don't think that he'll be a companion, if anything I think that he'll be the antagonist.  I may be right or I may be wrong but here is the reason that I think he is the antagonist.  Also for anyone that hasn't read the book Asunder, consider this to be a spoiler.

1) Cole's past, when he was alive and young he was raised with a poor family with a very abusive father.  That could really damage someone even worse things then the parent ever did to the child to themselves.  Also when he was brought into the Circle he was left alone and when he died the templar's covered up his exists in order to hide their shame.  Cole wasn't happy in life and most certainly after death.

2) Cole's blood magic powers, his blood magic was so powerful that he didn't even realize that he was able to use it.  He cause people to forget him and sometimes not even be able to see him.  He didn't even know how he was able to do this and when he realized the truth.  Why this didn't affect Rhys, that could be for a multiple set of reasons.  But the fact he had this much power without his full knowledge, imagine how much power he could have when he has full control over it.

3) Cole was infused with a demon.  When Anders infused with Justice the two have become somewhat strong then what they were when the were seprate.  And at the end of Asunder we see that the demon is the one that is in control over Cole's body.  Demons are usually more evil then any one person can be and the demon is possess of a body that is able to do very powerful magic.  That alone gives it a step up on most demons.

So this is why I believe that Cole could be the antagonist then the companion that everyone has hope.  Again I could be wrong, but these are the reasons I think am right.

Modifié par Zack_Nero, 20 août 2013 - 07:07 .

[OLDIRTYBARON]

I was always under the impression that Cole was essentially Alan Moore's Swamp Thing. That being he was actually a Demon who had convinced himself he was Cole, when in reality Cole's essence and memories were devoured by the Demon, thus the Demon has his memories, but is not actually him. Hopefully that makes sense. It's also why I liked the book so much for offering insight into the psychology behind a Fade Spirit and how they come to interact with the human world. If I'm completely wrong, tell me now, please.

Anyway, for those reasons, and for the fact that Demon Cole chose to take a stand (as it were) at the end of the book, I thought that would make a fascinating companion and it's why I wanted to see a lot more of him in the future. I'll be disappointed if Demon Cole turns out to be an antagonist, as he and his background leaves a lot of room (and I mean a lot) for some awesome Grey and Grey Morality moments.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Cole vs. Justice would be pretty neat.

[Zack_Nero]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

I was always under the impression that Cole was essentially Alan Moore's Swamp Thing. That being he was actually a Demon who had convinced himself he was Cole, when in reality Cole's essence and memories were devoured by the Demon, thus the Demon has his memories, but is not actually him....

Yea, kinda forgot that part.  But still proves my demon point.

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Zack_Nero wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

I was always under the impression that Cole was essentially Alan Moore's Swamp Thing. That being he was actually a Demon who had convinced himself he was Cole, when in reality Cole's essence and memories were devoured by the Demon, thus the Demon has his memories, but is not actually him....

Yea, kinda forgot that part.  But still proves my demon point.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, I just hope he's not an antagonist. I think Cole has fascinating potential, and the idea that this Spirit (or Demon, if you prefer) has decided to take up arms against the injustice this poor boy faced has incredible implications. Not just about Demon Cole, but about Spirits and Demons in general. 

Point is, while I hope Demon Cole is in the game, I hope he's a companion and not an antagonist.

[Beerfish]

It will be impossible for me to put aside my feelings for that character from the book and start with a clean slate if he is included. The same with everyone from the book and their actions. I'll need an ample supply of murder knives if there are a lot of Asunder cameos.

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Beerfish wrote...

It will be impossible for me to put aside my feelings for that character from the book and start with a clean slate if he is included. The same with everyone from the book and their actions. I'll need an ample supply of murder knives if there are a lot of Asunder cameos.

Just for curiosity's sake, what are your opinions and feelings about Cole? I've never discussed any of the Dragon Age novels with anybody, and I'm wondering how other people received Cole.

[Beerfish]

Well obviously this topic will have Asunder SPOILERS. So those that have not read the book might not want to read on.

Cole was a mass murdering demon. One has empathy for him at the very start when you hear his story. After that he simply kills people so he will not disappear. Further more he is totally enabled by a wishy washy traitorous Rhys and his crew. Yet another character in the series that is supposed to elicit sympathy to the mages plight and he kills more mages than a corrupt templar.

[Zack_Nero]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Just for curiosity's sake, what are your opinions and feelings about Cole? I've never discussed any of the Dragon Age novels with anybody, and I'm wondering how other people received Cole.

Cole was an interesting character for me, but he wasn't my favorite character.  If anything I liked Rhys and Evangeline better.  I liked their chemisty and how they interacted with Cole better then how Cole interacted with them.  You can tell he was damage even before everyone left the Circle.  But that is also why I don't want him as a companion either, he just seems too damage for my taste.

Beerfish wrote...

Well obviously this topic will have Asunder SPOILERS. So those that have not read the book might not want to read on.

I mention that somewhere at the start of the topic.

Modifié par Zack_Nero, 20 août 2013 - 07:24 .

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Beerfish wrote...

Well obviously this topic will have Asunder SPOILERS. So those that have not read the book might not want to read on.

Cole was a mass murdering demon. One has empathy for him at the very start when you hear his story. After that he simply kills people so he will not disappear. Further more he is totally enabled by a wishy washy traitorous Rhys and his crew. Yet another character in the series that is supposed to elicit sympathy to the mages plight and he kills more mages than a corrupt templar.

I think I understand. I didn't think Cole was heroic, merely sympathetic. I could empathize with him, and once I understood (and in turn, Cole understood) his true nature, it made his choice to exist, his choice to avenge the boy that was murdered, all the more compelling. This a "demon". A Demon in Dragon Age preys on human frailty. For a Demon to take up a cause just seems so weird to me, so alien, that I have to see what comes next.

Zack_Nero wrote...

Cole was an interesting character for me, but he wasn't my favorite character.  If anything I liked Rhys and Evangeline better.  I liked their chemisty and how they interacted with Cole better then how Cole interacted with then better.  You can tell he was damage even before everyone left the Circle.  But that is also why I don't want him as a companion either, he just seems to damage for my taste.

See I don't think Cole is as damaged as you say, considering at the end of Asunder he comes back and chooses to stand against the Templars in Cole's memory. The leaked survey that mentioned him made the best case for his inclusion I think. That he's a Fade Demon/Spirit who must choose between joining the living or preying upon them. That he needs to make that choice could produce one hell of a character arc that I think begs to explored.

Still, thank you both for your answers.

[Beerfish]

I'm sure he'll be interesting and most people do not think of him or the other sin the book like I do so it won't cause most people problems but it will for me. He's still far behind my dislike character wise in the book behind Rhys and Evangeline.

[esper]

I don't want book characters in the game. Espically not as companions. The only thing worse is returning companions.

[Knight of Dane]

I hope he doesn't have a role.

[Cheese Time]

@esper Varric is coming back

I would be very happy to see Cole back. I'm in the middle of a Colefest in my mind having recently finished Asunder. If I got one request from Bioware, I would make my best buddy in Inquisition Cole. I've always liked the cold hearted characters best. I was disappointed there was no one like Morrigan or Zev in DA2.

If Cole turned out to be the antagonist, I would have him join the party later. Like Loghain. But I'm crossing my fingers he'll turn out to be a party member.

But there seems to be too little support for Cole in the community. I say we make a thread, banners, hand out free cake!

[Pajuschka]

Cheese Time wrote...

@esper Varric is coming back

I would be very happy to see Cole back. I'm in the middle of a Colefest in my mind having recently finished Asunder. If I got one request from Bioware, I would make my best buddy in Inquisition Cole. I've always liked the cold hearted characters best. I was disappointed there was no one like Morrigan or Zev in DA2.

If Cole turned out to be the antagonist, I would have him join the party later. Like Loghain. But I'm crossing my fingers he'll turn out to be a party member.

But there seems to be too little support for Cole in the community. I say we make a thread, banners, hand out free cake!

I´m with you in this!   I think that he is interesting character and I wanna know more about him. He has so many different sides and I just love complicated characters.
I don´t see him as the antagonist like OP, more likely as (hopefully) companion or at least NPC. (Maybe if you do something, he coud possibly turn against you. This thing could be possible.)
So I´m for Cole as the companion, let´s bring cakes. 

[ChaosMorning]

Cole was probably my favorite (new) character in Asunder - I love all that his character represented, and has the potential to come to represent as his character develops.

If Viviene is to make the issue of the Mages more human to the player, why couldn't Cole make the issue the Veil and spirits and demons more human? (And of course him being spirit or demon that is possessing the body of a mage he came to as he was dying could lead him to have a sympathetic view to mages and could express )

We've seen Wynne and her relationship with the Spirit of Faith, Justice and his views on mortals and the world they live in, and of course Anders and the corruption of the Spirit of Justice into Vengeance - I think Cole could come to represent something just as powerful.

But what do I think of Cole and his possible role in the game? I think that out of any character we've seen in media outside the games themselves, he has the greatest potential of appearing - and I'd wager there is a fair chance he'll be a companion. LI status?   I like the idea of a mage in a romance with an entity of the Fade... but Cole (for the majority of Asunder) was like a little kid. 

 

He was created around the time that Inquisition's plot and companions could have been drawn up, so unlike (to my great disappointment) Maevaris Tilani, Cole could have been planned as a potential character for the games. His large role in Asunder makes be think there is going to be more to his story than we have seen.

[Magdalena11]

Pajuschka wrote...

Cheese Time wrote...

@esper Varric is coming back

I would be very happy to see Cole back. I'm in the middle of a Colefest in my mind having recently finished Asunder. If I got one request from Bioware, I would make my best buddy in Inquisition Cole. I've always liked the cold hearted characters best. I was disappointed there was no one like Morrigan or Zev in DA2.

If Cole turned out to be the antagonist, I would have him join the party later. Like Loghain. But I'm crossing my fingers he'll turn out to be a party member.

But there seems to be too little support for Cole in the community. I say we make a thread, banners, hand out free cake!

I´m with you in this!   I think that he is interesting character and I wanna know more about him. He has so many different sides and I just love complicated characters.
I don´t see him as the antagonist like OP, more likely as (hopefully) companion or at least NPC. (Maybe if you do something, he coud possibly turn against you. This thing could be possible.)
So I´m for Cole as the companion, let´s bring cakes. 

I'm a pretty decent baker.

[esper]

Cheese Time wrote...

@esper Varric is coming back

I would be very happy to see Cole back. I'm in the middle of a Colefest in my mind having recently finished Asunder. If I got one request from Bioware, I would make my best buddy in Inquisition Cole. I've always liked the cold hearted characters best. I was disappointed there was no one like Morrigan or Zev in DA2.

If Cole turned out to be the antagonist, I would have him join the party later. Like Loghain. But I'm crossing my fingers he'll turn out to be a party member.

But there seems to be too little support for Cole in the community. I say we make a thread, banners, hand out free cake!

Why do you think I tagged on the -except returning companions at the end?

Because I do not want Varric in my game. I played with him for a whole game. He was good, but now I want to know some one new.

And anyway it way to late to lobby for companion, by now they are set in stone, so we can only curse or cheer as they are revealed.

[Lokiwithrope]

What's all these rumors about Cole?

[Cheese Time]

Magdalena11 wrote...

Pajuschka wrote...

Cheese Time wrote...

@esper Varric is coming back

I would be very happy to see Cole back. I'm in the middle of a Colefest in my mind having recently finished Asunder. If I got one request from Bioware, I would make my best buddy in Inquisition Cole. I've always liked the cold hearted characters best. I was disappointed there was no one like Morrigan or Zev in DA2.

If Cole turned out to be the antagonist, I would have him join the party later. Like Loghain. But I'm crossing my fingers he'll turn out to be a party member.

But there seems to be too little support for Cole in the community. I say we make a thread, banners, hand out free cake!

I´m with you in this!   I think that he is interesting character and I wanna know more about him. He has so many different sides and I just love complicated characters.
I don´t see him as the antagonist like OP, more likely as (hopefully) companion or at least NPC. (Maybe if you do something, he coud possibly turn against you. This thing could be possible.)
So I´m for Cole as the companion, let´s bring cakes. 

I'm a pretty decent baker.

We can go to the other side of the veil and find some ghost/demon cake for Cole! He'll be ever so happy!

[Kidd]

I don't care what form Cole takes in Inquisition - companion, NPC, romance, antagonist or big bad. As long as I get to meet him and interact with him, I'll be more than happy. Hopefully he'll have more than just a few lines too.

... and perhaps I could finally have a fictional 'me' around to hug him. Maker knows I want to hug that innocent and sweet boy so bad ;_;

[NoForgiveness]

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

[Zack_Nero]

MR_PN wrote...

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

Maybe, but it did end with Cole, or Demon Cole,  on top of Lambert doing who knows what to him and leaving the world to presume that he is dead.

[frostajulie]

Cheese Time wrote...

@esper Varric is coming back

I would be very happy to see Cole back. I'm in the middle of a Colefest in my mind having recently finished Asunder. If I got one request from Bioware, I would make my best buddy in Inquisition Cole. I've always liked the cold hearted characters best. I was disappointed there was no one like Morrigan or Zev in DA2.

If Cole turned out to be the antagonist, I would have him join the party later. Like Loghain. But I'm crossing my fingers he'll turn out to be a party member.

But there seems to be too little support for Cole in the community. I say we make a thread, banners, hand out free cake!

I would like to further explore the potential of coles character  I won't say I liked him.  He was a murderer.  But I enjpyed him immensely and the conflicting emotions he stirred up. Irt was really weird in an internal tickly way to feel revulsion for the actions of a character and sympathy at the same time.  I would be very interested in more Cole.

[Steppenwolf]

It would be such a nonsensical stretch for Cole to become the big bad that rips open the veil. Cole was listed as a companion in the leaked survey so it would have been one hell of a 180 to go from companion to big bad. And it wouldn't make any sense unless all of the strife throughout Thedas at the same time was sheer coincidence, but they've already heavily implied that it is not.

Modifié par BasilKarlo, 21 août 2013 - 02:43 .