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[Zack_Nero]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Cole vs. Justice would be pretty neat.

You know, I just came up with a theory for that.  What if the spirit, or demon, that was with Cole was Justice.  I know am going out on a limb.  But think about it.  Justice was trapped outside of the Fade for reasons that we still don't understand.  He saw the injustice that was being done to the mages and was more then willing to help then to extreme ends.  In DA2 he did fused with Anders and became an evolved spirit of vengences.  He also killed a innocent mage girl (unless you intervene).  Who is to say that Justice didn't find Cole after Anders blew up the Chantry.  It  never was stated when Cole died, but the murders did start after DA2.  If I got that right.

Modifié par Zack_Nero, 21 août 2013 - 03:40 .

[Steppenwolf]

Cole was committing murders for many years and the human Cole died a VERY long time before Asunder. Plus, he killed mages because he felt like he was drifting out of reality/perception until the killed, not for any sense of justice. He justified the murders as pity/saving them from misery. Absolutely nothing to do with justice.

[Cheese Time]

I really want Cole in DAI. Like a lot.
It would be pretty fun for him to be a romance - there could be a love triangle with Cullen.

Not that I don't like him, I would just love to see the look on Cullen's face when I tell him I'm dumping him for a half-psychopath ghost boy

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Cheese Time wrote...

I really want Cole in DAI. Like a lot.
It would be pretty fun for him to be a romance - there could be a love triangle with Cullen.

Not that I don't like him, I would just love to see the look on Cullen's face when I tell him I'm dumping him for a half-psychopath ghost boy

That could actually lead to some really interesting dialogue; seeing as, unless all of your companions are like Rhys and can see him and don't forget him, they probably won't even remember who Cole is half the time. :S

[Steppenwolf]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Cheese Time wrote...

I really want Cole in DAI. Like a lot.
It would be pretty fun for him to be a romance - there could be a love triangle with Cullen.

Not that I don't like him, I would just love to see the look on Cullen's face when I tell him I'm dumping him for a half-psychopath ghost boy

That could actually lead to some really interesting dialogue; seeing as, unless all of your companions are like Rhys and can see him and don't forget him, they probably won't even remember who Cole is half the time. :S

I wouldn't think that that would afflict him any more, now that he knows what he is and that he isn't fading away.

[leaguer of one]

Beerfish wrote...

It will be impossible for me to put aside my feelings for that character from the book and start with a clean slate if he is included. The same with everyone from the book and their actions. I'll need an ample supply of murder knives if there are a lot of Asunder cameos.

Why? Cole is the only reason most of the characters lived.

[leaguer of one]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Cole was committing murders for many years and the human Cole died a VERY long time before Asunder. Plus, he killed mages because he felt like he was drifting out of reality/perception until the killed, not for any sense of justice. He justified the murders as pity/saving them from misery. Absolutely nothing to do with justice.

It's not a justification. Those people really did want to die.

[Han Shot First]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

What's all these rumors about Cole?

He was mentioned in a survey that was leaked about a year ago. At the time he was a potential companion. Of course whether or not that is still the case, is unknown.

[Sol Downer]

leaguer of one wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Cole was committing murders for many years and the human Cole died a VERY long time before Asunder. Plus, he killed mages because he felt like he was drifting out of reality/perception until the killed, not for any sense of justice. He justified the murders as pity/saving them from misery. Absolutely nothing to do with justice.

It's not a justification. Those people really did want to die.

Means to an end. He didn't want to leave, but they did. He probably wasn't doing it out of a sense of mercy, but rather, because his own goals could be achieved.

[Kidd]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

What's all these rumors about Cole?

Because he's a fantastic character who many want to see more of, I believe! 

I remember David mentioned on his blog that Cole came from a special place in his heart or something. I'm dying to know more about that and hope he will update his blog about it as soon as he is able/allowed to do so. ^^

[fiveforchaos]

Zack_Nero wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Cole vs. Justice would be pretty neat.

You know, I just came up with a theory for that.  What if the spirit, or demon, that was with Cole was Justice.  I know am going out on a limb.  But think about it.  Justice was trapped outside of the Fade for reasons that we still don't understand.  He saw the injustice that was being done to the mages and was more then willing to help then to extreme ends.  In DA2 he did fused with Anders and became an evolved spirit of vengences.  He also killed a innocent mage girl (unless you intervene).  Who is to say that Justice didn't find Cole after Anders blew up the Chantry.  It  never was stated when Cole died, but the murders did start after DA2.  If I got that right.

I've always liked the theory that spirit inhabiting Cole was a corrupted Spirit of Compassion, you know, the type of compassion the comes with euthanizing an animal or person in complete agony. It'd be nice to see a corrupted spirit that isn't playing tug a war with an angsty mage for control over one body.

[ChaosMorning]

I believe there had been a thread discussing what sort of Spirit/Demon came to Cole when he was a young mage, I think the theory of a Spirit of Hope coming to him, and becoming one of Despair makes a lot of sense given how powerful Cole appears to be.

[leaguer of one]

Ultimashade wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Cole was committing murders for many years and the human Cole died a VERY long time before Asunder. Plus, he killed mages because he felt like he was drifting out of reality/perception until the killed, not for any sense of justice. He justified the murders as pity/saving them from misery. Absolutely nothing to do with justice.

It's not a justification. Those people really did want to die.

Means to an end. He didn't want to leave, but they did. He probably wasn't doing it out of a sense of mercy, but rather, because his own goals could be achieved.

He did not even understand his on self and what he wanted to even have a goal like that.  In truth by the end of the book the only thing he want was to help his friend.

He was doing it out of Mercy, not malace. If fact he felt ashamed after not killing the former tranquil mage after he asked Cole to.
He was doing based on instinct and the will to ensure mercy.

[leaguer of one]

ChaosMorning wrote...

I believe there had been a thread discussing what sort of Spirit/Demon came to Cole when he was a young mage, I think the theory of a Spirit of Hope coming to him, and becoming one of Despair makes a lot of sense given how powerful Cole appears to be.

More likly a demon of dispire that became a spirt of compassion.

[Beerfish]

MR_PN wrote...

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

Being a mass murderer and serial killer is not evil eh?   hmph.

[Cheese Time]

Beerfish wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

Being a mass murderer and serial killer is not evil eh?   hmph.

He only killed people who wanted to die - so that he could keep on living. The Templars in Orlais are far cruller than the ones we see in Ferelden AND they have the incident in Kirkwall inspiring then to hate mages even more. The mages were being tortured, punished, beaten and killed by those templars - and Cole gave them mercy.

He didn't really ask permission to "give mercy" to those he killed, but his heart was in the right place. Does anyone else think that if Cole is in DAI that we can turn him away from his murdering and onto the path of righteousness? Like the Warden did with Zev in DAO?

That aside, I'll admit I don't really care all that much for morals and righteousness - I just think Cole was one of the coolest characters in all dragon age. Probably my favourite after Zev and Morrigan.

Modifié par Cheese Time, 21 août 2013 - 03:35 .

[leaguer of one]

Beerfish wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

Being a mass murderer and serial killer is not evil eh?   hmph.

You do understand how dmons work and how Cole does the exact oppisite.
1. Every person Cole killed wanted to do. He did not make them want to die, they really wanted to die.

2.  Cole, who is a demon , did a thing a demon would normally never do...Kill something  they can possess. He could of possesed them and turn them into something worse but killed them in an act of mercy.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Beerfish wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

Being a mass murderer and serial killer is not evil eh?   hmph.

If being a mass murderer and serial killer is evil in the series then someone should lock up all our companions in Dragon Age Origins (except Wynne, Dog and Alistair) since they're all killers or were killers.

[Beerfish]

Cheese Time wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

Being a mass murderer and serial killer is not evil eh?   hmph.

He only killed people who wanted to die - so that he could keep on living. The Templars in Orlais are far cruller than the ones we see in Ferelden AND they have the incident in Kirkwall inspiring then to hate mages even more. The mages were being tortured, punished, beaten and killed by those templars - and Cole gave them mercy.

He didn't really ask permission to "give mercy" to those he killed, but his heart was in the right place. Does anyone else think that if Cole is in DAI that we can turn him away from his murdering and onto the path of righteousness? Like the Warden did with Zev in DAO?

That aside, I'll admit I don't really care all that much for morals and righteousness - I just think Cole was one of the coolest characters in all dragon age. Probably my favourite after Zev and Morrigan.

No, he convinced these people that they wanted to die.  He was a demon or spirit possessed.  If a person is unhappy and you offer to kill them you are still a murderer.  He also did this with the express purpose to keep him from disappearing, not some benevolent factor.

Was he an interesing character?  Yes for sure he was, well written back story but he was also a killer, one that would or will keep going on killing.

In any case the goat horns don't lie with him as because of his nature he was what he was.  The goat horns go to the totally foolish, selfish and irresponsible Rhys.

[Beerfish]

leaguer of one wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

Being a mass murderer and serial killer is not evil eh?   hmph.

You do understand how dmons work and how Cole does the exact oppisite.
1. Every person Cole killed wanted to do. He did not make them want to die, they really wanted to die.

2.  Cole, who is a demon , did a thing a demon would normally never do...Kill something  they can possess. He could of possesed them and turn them into something worse but killed them in an act of mercy.

Point 1 is far from proven, he goaded people into saying they wanted to die which was very convenient because he wantes to kill them.

Point 2 Cole didn't know what he was, spirit or demon it doesn't matter.  He was a murderer.  People that are despondent or unhappy don't all want to die whether they say they do or not.

[Beerfish]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

Being a mass murderer and serial killer is not evil eh?   hmph.

If being a mass murderer and serial killer is evil in the series then someone should lock up all our companions in Dragon Age Origins (except Wynne, Dog and Alistair) since they're all killers or were killers.

Agreed, one of the big faults of other wise good companions in this game.  I left Sten in the cage in a good number of playthroughs.  I killed Zevran as often as not when you 1st meet him.

[Taleroth]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

Being a mass murderer and serial killer is not evil eh?   hmph.

If being a mass murderer and serial killer is evil in the series then someone should lock up all our companions in Dragon Age Origins (except Wynne, Dog and Alistair) since they're all killers or were killers.

Sten was locked up. Leliana is remorseful. Zevran... there's really no excusing him.

Morrigan hasn't said much of what she has done. She's done some bad things, she's defended herself, but we have no indication of outright murder.

[leaguer of one]

Beerfish wrote...

Cheese Time wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

Being a mass murderer and serial killer is not evil eh?   hmph.

He only killed people who wanted to die - so that he could keep on living. The Templars in Orlais are far cruller than the ones we see in Ferelden AND they have the incident in Kirkwall inspiring then to hate mages even more. The mages were being tortured, punished, beaten and killed by those templars - and Cole gave them mercy.

He didn't really ask permission to "give mercy" to those he killed, but his heart was in the right place. Does anyone else think that if Cole is in DAI that we can turn him away from his murdering and onto the path of righteousness? Like the Warden did with Zev in DAO?

That aside, I'll admit I don't really care all that much for morals and righteousness - I just think Cole was one of the coolest characters in all dragon age. Probably my favourite after Zev and Morrigan.

No, he convinced these people that they wanted to die.  He was a demon or spirit possessed.  If a person is unhappy and you offer to kill them you are still a murderer.  He also did this with the express purpose to keep him from disappearing, not some benevolent factor.

Was he an interesing character?  Yes for sure he was, well written back story but he was also a killer, one that would or will keep going on killing.

In any case the goat horns don't lie with him as because of his nature he was what he was.  The goat horns go to the totally foolish, selfish and irresponsible Rhys.

Nope, He did not. Demon don't put feelings and desires  into people. People have to have the desires first for the demon to influence. Like in DA2 when the desire demon influice Isabela to betry Hawke in the fade and the Pride demon influence Mirrill to do the same in the fade.

At most the demon can't put feelings and thoughts into a persons mind but they can manipulate what it their already. nd even then the person still has the power to refuse.

Point blank no matter how you cut it, those people wanted to die out of there own will.  It was made clear when Cole went to set free the former Tranquil mage and the mage told him he did not want to be set free. That he wanted to die.

It's not murder. It's assisted suicide.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Taleroth wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

Being a mass murderer and serial killer is not evil eh?   hmph.

If being a mass murderer and serial killer is evil in the series then someone should lock up all our companions in Dragon Age Origins (except Wynne, Dog and Alistair) since they're all killers or were killers.

Sten was locked up. Leliana is remorseful. Zevran... there's really no excusing him.

Morrigan hasn't said much of what she has done. She's done some bad things, she's defended herself, but we have no indication of outright murder.

Morrigan confirmed that she used to hunt templars in the woods for sport and fun. If she can get away with it so can Cole in my book. Also Leliana was only remorseful after Marjolane betrayed her and she even admits to you after her side mission that she secretly enjoys hurting and killing the people we face. Cole doesn't take any pleasure from his killing and the end of the book even shows he can finally control the killing so I think he'll be fine.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 21 août 2013 - 04:12 .

[leaguer of one]

Beerfish wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

I really really really hope he is a companion. I don't think he will be a villain though. His story line in asunder ended with him not killing people anymore(except people who deserve it I guess) plus he was never evil.

Being a mass murderer and serial killer is not evil eh?   hmph.

You do understand how dmons work and how Cole does the exact oppisite.
1. Every person Cole killed wanted to do. He did not make them want to die, they really wanted to die.

2.  Cole, who is a demon , did a thing a demon would normally never do...Kill something  they can possess. He could of possesed them and turn them into something worse but killed them in an act of mercy.

Point 1 is far from proven, he goaded people into saying they wanted to die which was very convenient because he wantes to kill them.

Point 2 Cole didn't know what he was, spirit or demon it doesn't matter.  He was a murderer.  People that are despondent or unhappy don't all want to die whether they say they do or not.

Point 1 was proven with the former tranquil mage.
And you second point disreguard that the people wanted to die.