I hope he is a comanion. His was the most memorable character in Asunder, for the reasons Newschmoo mentioned. Tragic, conflicted, with a horrible past and one whose very existence is sometimes in doubt. I was touched even before his past was revealed because of the pathetic way he reacted to Rhys. Emotionally, Cole seemed to be stuck at the point of his Fade memory. Spirits don't understand human emotion but there's no arguing that he's experiencing them now. Because of his childlike grasp of the world around him and reaction to it, I couldn't look at him as a romance option. In my mind it would be too much like trying to romance one of my kid's friends.
I do think something changed in him when Lambert revealed what he was. His reaction to the world seems to have remained simple, based on the blog excerpt Ericander77 posted, but I believe his personality hardened, like potentially Alistair and Leliana. I think that's why the Chantry mother(?) could see him and interact with him. Even before I read the blog excerpt, I believed that if he killed Lambert it was his last murder. When Pharamond was begging for death he turned him down and felt bad for having done so. The difference between the spire murders and Pharamond's survival and Lambert's potential death was that in the spire, he was killing to remember he was alive and after Pharamond, he knew he was. Lambert's revelation caused him to go away and think for a while but once he'd assimilated the new facts of life he was back to right a wrong. For this reason I believe he would be trustworthy.
Please note that anything I've said regarding Cole's motivation and psyche are strictly my own opinion. I have very little training in psychology and would not presume to crawl inside the writers' heads. The facts may prove me wrong.
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#127
Posté 22 août 2013 - 01:16
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Of course he's a person. He may not be human, elf, dwarf or qunari, but he's definitely a person. He's self-aware, can think, feel and reach conclusions, thus he's a personmotomotogirl wrote...
I love Cole. Huge fan here
I think what I'm most interested in is learning what Cole actually is. I would be really disappointed to learn he's "just" a demon. Surely it's more complicated than that. Plus there's the issue of Cole's personhood. Is Cole a person? I think he is, especially since he's so beloved to his writer.
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What does Cole APPEAR to be? As in human? Elf?
#128
Posté 22 août 2013 - 01:34
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I think that Alistair was undeveloped emotionally and socially - having been all his life in the Chantry and such - and it worked out for a great romance. And a particularly great dialogue about lampposts.
Zevran was undeveloped in the opposite way. He'd had so much sex he was unable to love any longer. Really. So you have to do more than just screw to gain his trust.
I really liked both of them from DAO. It was difficult to choose between them!
Zevran was undeveloped in the opposite way. He'd had so much sex he was unable to love any longer. Really. So you have to do more than just screw to gain his trust.
I really liked both of them from DAO. It was difficult to choose between them!
#129
Posté 22 août 2013 - 02:04
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I'm goin' nuts. Why is this thing stickied again? And why is the Inquisitor always wearing grey warden armor in the videos?
#130
Posté 22 août 2013 - 02:07
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Some may groan, but I have some facts about Cole here (taken directly from the novel Asunder):
Cole was actually on the cover of Dragon Age: Asunder directly in front of our other scary friend - he was just a ghost, so you couldn't see him.
Cole was a party member in both DAO and DA2. He was just a ghost, so you couldn't see him.
Cole and Infiltrator Commander Shepard once had a competition to see who could stay cloaked/invisible for the longest.
Neither of them were ever found again.
Cole made the Arishok cry by doing nothing more than the puppy-eyes.
The dwarves offered to make Cole a paragon. He turned them down - with a menacing, badass look in his eye - saying he was more the type to be a renegade.
Justice used to be a demon of desire in the fade, until he met Cole. He quickly gave up all attempts to try to tempt people in the fade - knowing he could never be as attractive as Cole. Justice thought he could be more handsome if he tried to take on a human body.
As those who have played Awakening know - it didn't work.
Cole tanked the Arishok duel - every blow - even though he's a rogue.
Cole was actually on the cover of Dragon Age: Asunder directly in front of our other scary friend - he was just a ghost, so you couldn't see him.
Cole was a party member in both DAO and DA2. He was just a ghost, so you couldn't see him.
Cole and Infiltrator Commander Shepard once had a competition to see who could stay cloaked/invisible for the longest.
Neither of them were ever found again.
Cole made the Arishok cry by doing nothing more than the puppy-eyes.
The dwarves offered to make Cole a paragon. He turned them down - with a menacing, badass look in his eye - saying he was more the type to be a renegade.
Justice used to be a demon of desire in the fade, until he met Cole. He quickly gave up all attempts to try to tempt people in the fade - knowing he could never be as attractive as Cole. Justice thought he could be more handsome if he tried to take on a human body.
As those who have played Awakening know - it didn't work.
Cole tanked the Arishok duel - every blow - even though he's a rogue.
#131
Posté 22 août 2013 - 02:07
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Parmida wrote...
Cole is so cuddly. :3
He'd be my Blood Mage's best friend for ever. And of course Varric has the first slot of my bros.
More like he will look at you and tell you that you want to die and then offer to end your suffering which you will happily do and he can chalk up another naive victim to feed him.
#132
Posté 22 août 2013 - 02:14
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Beerfish wrote...
Parmida wrote...
Cole is so cuddly. :3
He'd be my Blood Mage's best friend for ever. And of course Varric has the first slot of my bros.
More like he will look at you and tell you that you want to die and then offer to end your suffering which you will happily do and he can chalk up another naive victim to feed him.
OH BY SITHIS! Your avatar scared me sh*tless man! The hell!?
And I thought I was tough playing horror games.
#134
Posté 22 août 2013 - 02:18
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No need to insult Prince Putnam Lother, new romance option for the girls in Dragon Age 3.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 02:21
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Nope. He's Sandal's brother. Don't tell Gaider I spilled the beans.KiddDaBeauty wrote...
Human.Elfman wrote...
What does Cole APPEAR to be? As in human? Elf?
#136
Posté 22 août 2013 - 02:29
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...I believed that if he killed Lambert it was his last murder.
Oh, if Cole is a companion that won't be the last murder. By like the first few hours we all would of killed people by the hundreds, with or without Cole.
Also I like to point out that it isn't confrimed that Cole is a companion yet. Sure that survey did say he be a companion, but DAI also said that we only going to be a human also. He might be a companion like many people wish, he might be a antagonists like I original predicted, he might be a random NPC. It is still not confrimed as to what Cole is.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 03:10
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Damn, this isn't sticky any more.
Well, it was a glorious time while it lasted. (*It'sstillsecretlyanomen*)
Dread Mother! You're a blood Mage AND a cultist assassin?
We should hold a party in Tevinter some time! Invite our buddy Fenris. He'll be pleased.
Cole appreciators are pretty hardcore people.
What is life's greatest illusion?
Well, it was a glorious time while it lasted. (*It'sstillsecretlyanomen*)
Parmida wrote...
OH BY SITHIS!
Dread Mother! You're a blood Mage AND a cultist assassin?
We should hold a party in Tevinter some time! Invite our buddy Fenris. He'll be pleased.
Cole appreciators are pretty hardcore people.
What is life's greatest illusion?
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#138
Posté 22 août 2013 - 03:11
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Oh look, the topic was un-stickied. So much for any significance this thread might have had, although I still hope to see Cole as a companion.
#139
Posté 22 août 2013 - 03:26
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Cheese Time wrote...
Damn, this isn't sticky any more.
Well, it was a glorious time while it lasted. (*It'sstillsecretlyanomen*)Parmida wrote...
OH BY SITHIS!
Dread Mother! You're a blood Mage AND a cultist assassin?
We should hold a party in Tevinter some time! Invite our buddy Fenris. He'll be pleased.
Cole appreciators are pretty hardcore people.
What is life's greatest illusion?
Innocence, my brother.
#140
Posté 22 août 2013 - 04:29
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Elfman wrote...
So I'm guessing Cole is going to be a popular romance option?
I hope not, the idea is quite disturbing.
He's naive to the point of barely being human, and I'm pretty sure the character was meant to be quite young in the books.
Edit: just to expand on that, there are uncomfortable overtones of exploitation when dealing with a character that barely knows if he's alive or not, and certainly doesn't have much in the way of human emotions. It'd be a weird romance arc and I *really* don't think it'd work.
Cole is interesting enough for the lore aspects and debates on the meaning of humanity.
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#141
Posté 22 août 2013 - 04:46
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Zack_Nero wrote...
OLDIRTYBARON wrote...
Just for curiosity's sake, what are your opinions and feelings about Cole? I've never discussed any of the Dragon Age novels with anybody, and I'm wondering how other people received Cole.
Cole was an interesting character for me, but he wasn't my favorite character. If anything I liked Rhys and Evangeline better. I liked their chemisty and how they interacted with Cole better then how Cole interacted with them. You can tell he was damage even before everyone left the Circle. But that is also why I don't want him as a companion either, he just seems too damage for my taste.Beerfish wrote...
Well obviously this topic will have Asunder SPOILERS. So those that have not read the book might not want to read on.
I mention that somewhere at the start of the topic.
cole is really interesting (hell he is the most interesting character in Asunder (well, if you discount the "healed" tranquil that sadly was killed (i would have loved to meet him and maybe have him in the party)) but i don't feel sympathy for him (killing not to fade away is tough - it doesn't make it right, but i can accept it)
as for Evangeline? -> bah a copy of Cassandra (!) (only that she is no seeker, just an "ordinary" Templar and she really falls for the mage - while Cassy seems to keep the one she likes in DA: Dawn of the Seeker at arms length)
Rhyss on the other hand is a WHIMP IMHO (he only "wants" (He does not have a choice anymore) to fight, when everything else is tantamount to suicide, he doesn't take a stand IMHO (at least much too late!) and he is not very active IMHO (i liked his ex-girlfriend with the libertarien fraternity much much much more!))
greetings LAX
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 04:58
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I really enjoyed Asunder, as I have all of David's books, and Cole's character greatly contributed to my enjoyment. Having him as an antagonist or even *the* antagonist sounds pretty interesting only because I'm not clever enough to come up with an idea of how the writer's would be able to include him as a companion, given his peculiar nature.
I really enjoyed Asunder, as I have all of David's books, and Cole's character greatly contributed to my enjoyment. Having him as an antagonist or even *the* antagonist sounds pretty interesting only because I'm not clever enough to come up with an idea of how the writer's would be able to include him as a companion, given his peculiar nature.
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#143
Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:00
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Speaking of Cole, I bet we'll meet Adrian as well. She's now officially the First Enchanter in Orlais.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 06:35
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It's been mentioned that DAI will introduce the new fear demons, which I think could be what the demon that found Cole was given his circumstances. If so (and assuming the new demons become part of the plot, rather than an enemy the Warden and Hawke never happened to see) I think we could see Cole featured there, possibly as a companion but more likely as an key NPC in a medium sized quest.
#145
Posté 22 août 2013 - 06:48
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DarkKnightHolmes wrote...
Speaking of Cole, I bet we'll meet Adrian as well. She's now officially the First Enchanter in Orlais.
I hope we'll get an option to punch her if we meet her. She is a vile person
#146
Posté 22 août 2013 - 07:00
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I haven't read the books, so if this Cole person does appear in the game I hope he's better introduced than Kai Leng was in ME3, who always felt a bit out of place.
#147
Posté 22 août 2013 - 07:02
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TheCreeper wrote...
DarkKnightHolmes wrote...
Speaking of Cole, I bet we'll meet Adrian as well. She's now officially the First Enchanter in Orlais.
I hope we'll get an option to punch her if we meet her. She is a vile person
Her and Lambert, the two who were supposed to painted with the bad guy brush in the story were the most real and genuine chracters in the book. Both had a clear vision of how things should be and both stuck to it from beginning to end. Unlike the host of wishy washy and totally traitorous characters who were supposed to be the good guys.
#148
Posté 22 août 2013 - 07:03
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Regarding the romance possibility, while I was reading Asunder I was very much surprised at how young I found Cole to act/think at times. In other instances, though, he seemed to suddenly advance in maturity when - I assume - the Spirit's/Demon's original personality asserted itself through Cole's (as these flashes were usually when Cole was either in "kill" mode or being attacked himself, and the original persona would probably surface to protect itself moreso than other times).
By the end of the book, just the way he interacted with Lambert I'd guess that the Cole persona has become integrated with the Spirit/Demon and is thus "older" (how old are spirits/demons?) yet naive in regards to the human world. So it's an interesting dichotomy I can see working in a romance...just NOT if Cole still acts in the child-like fashion he was prone to in Asunder. That would be awkward in all ways and shapes and forms.
By the end of the book, just the way he interacted with Lambert I'd guess that the Cole persona has become integrated with the Spirit/Demon and is thus "older" (how old are spirits/demons?) yet naive in regards to the human world. So it's an interesting dichotomy I can see working in a romance...just NOT if Cole still acts in the child-like fashion he was prone to in Asunder. That would be awkward in all ways and shapes and forms.
#149
Posté 23 août 2013 - 01:02
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DarkKnightHolmes wrote...
Speaking of Cole, I bet we'll meet Adrian as well. She's now officially the First Enchanter in Orlais.
Vivienne was slated to become first Enchanter before the circles were disolved in the conflict so I'd say Adrian will not be part of the story. Just my opinion, with a reference.
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Posté 23 août 2013 - 04:58
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Was Vivienne in Asunder? I forget now.
I wonder how many of Inquisition's detailed plots were fleshed out when David wrote that book? It seems to have some hooks in it for DAI, Cole is perhaps one of them.
I wonder how many of Inquisition's detailed plots were fleshed out when David wrote that book? It seems to have some hooks in it for DAI, Cole is perhaps one of them.
