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[MGW7]

I find it more useful to heavy melee followed by poison strike to decimate troops, and escape
3/5/6/6/6
immunity frames on ps are a god send, if the enemy tries to stop you, you don't lose them,
Both level 6 evos are amazing on it, but the level 5 ones are garbage, so they basically cost 11 points

nsb, love them for mook murder, but would rather spend six points on other things

biotic shield, great survival aid against marauders and such,

powers, powers, guns

melee, martial arts, health

I carry various weapons depending on my mood,
piranha, disciple, wraith, bpp, durricane, executioner, whatever

[lightswitch]

Chromatix wrote...

Poison Strike is useless POS not even worth considering.

/400 waves (actually a bit less considering the games i've specced into this misery) and 4 Platinum solos without it.

it's odd, I can't even fathom why you would bother playing this kit without it

[Chromatix]

lightswitch wrote...

Chromatix wrote...

Poison Strike is useless POS not even worth considering.

/400 waves (actually a bit less considering the games i've specced into this misery) and 4 Platinum solos without it.

it's odd, I can't even fathom why you would bother playing this kit without it

Poison Strike is just a variation of her dodge.

Witch same success i use BF and double-dodge. 

And yes, dodge always saves me. 

My playstyle with her is fast, really fast. Second after AIU. Fierce and precise strikes. I can't see how Poison Strike would fit in here. 

Modifié par Chromatix, 21 août 2013 - 05:25 .

[mybudgee]

^ yup

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

I run her with a geth scanner, valient, thermal scope, piercing mod, drill rounds. Hen I can shoot everyone through walls, and melee everyone through walls too! Who needs fitness when the enemy can't even see you before they're dead

[lightswitch]

Chromatix wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Chromatix wrote...

Poison Strike is useless POS not even worth considering.

/400 waves (actually a bit less considering the games i've specced into this misery) and 4 Platinum solos without it.

it's odd, I can't even fathom why you would bother playing this kit without it

Poison Strike is just a variation of her dodge.

Witch same success i use BF and double-dodge. 

And yes, dodge always saves me. 

My playstyle with her is fast, really fast. Second after AIU. Fierce and precise strikes. I can't see how Poison Strike would fit in here. 

kind of like this? In this vid I'm using PS to res not initiate attacks and also one at the end just to demonstrate what kind of range you can get. I think it gets the point across; no other power gets me into the fight as quickly. The forward teleport and the heavy melee just don't have the range. With PS I can get across any map in very little time. I would say my playstyle with Cabal is definitely faster than with the AIU...AIU isn't even playing the same game in terms of mobility.

I'll try to record more game play demonstrating why I can get enough of poison strike in the near future. Honestly I can't get enough of it, it makes all those maps that used to be a pain to move around (Dagger, Ghost for example) a joy to play on. I use the dodge and heavy melee and forward teleport too, but I think poison strike gives a lot more precision, speed, and flexibility.

it's weird you mention precise strikes because that's exactly what PS is good for

Modifié par lightswitch, 21 août 2013 - 06:43 .

[RoZh2400]

PS fails to hit 70% of the casts. Her damage is almost entirely DOT, which is too slow. Her damage is already subpar, and biower decides to nerf it an additional 30%. If the enemy only takes 70% of the damage required to kill it, then it gets 30% of its health for a few seconds. More than enough to elbow-of-the-people me to death, or triple rocket me, or stunlock collector melee.

[sabreracer]

I find the Heavy Melee really buggy. Most of the time that I die with her is when I'm trying to HM whatever and nothing happens so they kill me first. On host.

[DHKany]

she's sexy with the raider.

[stealth_202]

Easy, relaxing kit for Plat.
4/6/6/6/4, PPR + Acolyte.

[Miniditka77]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

mybudgee wrote...

Tip: Skip Poison strike

Go to rank 4 and take Range. 

A 16.8m teleport is way too useful to pass up. 

This is what I like best on her.  The problem is that it's really hard to justify not maxing her other powers.  NB explosion evolution is great at R6.  Turian Passives are some of the best in the game.  And I love to melee with her, so I like to max Fitness for melee damage.  I still haven't figured out the best way to do it. 

[Beerfish]

A ton of potential but she simply does not do what I want her to do enough. I just can't get good enough results out of poison strike.

[Jaun Shepard]

Lol the only thing she has going for me is her looks and that tells a lot when vangaurds are my favourite nowadays. She's cute

[ZOMBEE GEEZUSS]

I do use her but only if I get bored and want to mix things up a bit. She is incredibly mobile, Ill give her that which always results in more enjoyable matches for me, I enjoy getting right up close with the Hurricane.

[lightswitch]

Element 0 wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Biotic Focus is like Adrenaline Rush, except it has no weapon damage and no instant reload?

So basically, it's not anything like Adrenaline Rush?

Also, AR grants no speed boost.

Also, 75% melee damage bonus from BF. Also, the cooldowns on both powers work very differently. Basically the only things both powers have in common are getting a little shields back and a DR, but those aren't the defining features of either power AFAIC.

mybudgee wrote...

Tip: Skip Poison strike

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

no. just no.

If you skip poison strike all you're doing is playing a more limited, cheese-less BatSol. Here's a tip: mobility = DPS. 

IMO six ranks in melee or bust.

Element 0 wrote...

I use it quite a bit. Too bad it's a soldier and not a Vanguard.

Disagree. The heavy melee, not poison strike, is the charge. It does superior damage to charge, sets you up perfectly to use Poison Strike if the target surives, and it'll even give you a 25% weapon damage bonus just like weapon synergy, or a 75% melee damage bonus. Oh, and it staggers most enemies reliably. The lack of range is negated by her speed and poison strike if you spec it for range. Maybe she's not all vanguard, but she's more  vanguard than soldier.

 

Melee is total garbage vs bosses. And I don't need melee - since weapon fire and NB's will kill much faster. 

right - and biotic charge just tears bosses apart.

????

Oh - and my melee spec Cabal does more damage with her weapons than yours. FWIW as a soldier she's crap - mobility, but not even that great of mobility if you're not using PS and the heavy melee - and her weapon damage output is incredibly average.

Modifié par lightswitch, 21 août 2013 - 05:05 .

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Beerfish wrote...

A ton of potential but she simply does not do what I want her to do enough. I just can't get good enough results out of poison strike.

The mobility 4 ranks in PS gives you with the range evolution is too useful to pass up. I'm a recent convert.

Modifié par b00g13man, 21 août 2013 - 05:10 .

[HoochieHamiltoe]

b00g13man wrote...

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

Yes

Reported.

I've switched to the 4/6/6/6/4 build now, but still spec into Biotic shield.

She makes Cerberus a complete joke. 

[TheInvoker]

Cabal is done for melee but the damage reduction from biotic focus is not enough
1 melee attack can kill weaker enemies,if you try to melee a stronger enemy you die......you can survive only if you are 1v1 but you can't wait all the other enemies die to do your melee if you have a melee build.

[lightswitch]

Element 0 wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Biotic Focus is like Adrenaline Rush, except it has no weapon damage and no instant reload?

So basically, it's not anything like Adrenaline Rush?

Also, AR grants no speed boost.

Also, 75% melee damage bonus from BF. Also, the cooldowns on both powers work very differently. Basically the only things both powers have in common are getting a little shields back and a DR, but those aren't the defining features of either power AFAIC.

mybudgee wrote...

Tip: Skip Poison strike

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

no. just no.

If you skip poison strike all you're doing is playing a more limited, cheese-less BatSol. Here's a tip: mobility = DPS. 

IMO six ranks in melee or bust.

Element 0 wrote...

I use it quite a bit. Too bad it's a soldier and not a Vanguard.

Disagree. The heavy melee, not poison strike, is the charge. It does superior damage to charge, sets you up perfectly to use Poison Strike if the target surives, and it'll even give you a 25% weapon damage bonus just like weapon synergy, or a 75% melee damage bonus. Oh, and it staggers most enemies reliably. The lack of range is negated by her speed and poison strike if you spec it for range. Maybe she's not all vanguard, but she's more  vanguard than soldier.

 

Melee is total garbage vs bosses. And I don't need melee - since weapon fire and NB's will kill much faster. 

right - and biotic charge just tears bosses apart.

????

Oh - and my melee spec Cabal does more damage with her weapons than yours. FWIW as a soldier she's crap - mobility, but not even that great of mobility if you're not using PS and the heavy melee - and her weapon damage output is incredibly average.

 

Biotic Charge detonates, restores your shields and boosts your powers or weapon damage without requiring a kill. 

I'm not sure when you thought this became an argument about whether Biotic Charge or the Cabal heavy meleee is better, but it's not. If anything, the Cabal is a vanguard - there's nothing soldier-like about her.

[lightswitch]

Element 0 wrote...

I've made an entire thread about it. 

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/16225742/3

That whole thread was based on the erroneous assumption that Poison Strike = Biotic Charge on a 1:1 ratio. It doesn't. Get over it. Learn to actually use her powers rather than write soliloquys about how you wish Poison Strike behaved exactly like something you were already familiar with.

Aren't vanguards supposed to be high mobility class that excel at close range gunplay and melee combat? Because that's exactly what the Cabal does.

[lightswitch]

Element 0 wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

I've made an entire thread about it. 

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/16225742/3

That whole thread was based on the erroneous assumption that Poison Strike = Biotic Charge on a 1:1 ratio. It doesn't. Get over it. Learn to actually use her powers rather than write soliloquys about how you wish Poison Strike behaved exactly like something you were already familiar with.

Aren't vanguards supposed to be high mobility class that excel at close range gunplay and melee combat? Because that's exactly what the Cabal does.

 

I explained not only PS, but the whole package. High mobility is not necessary, just look at Kroguard/BatGuard.  

P.S. I've done multiple Gold solos and a Plat solo on Condor with Phaeston only. 

mobility is not the same as agility, any kit with biotic charge is high mobility.

And I don't care if you've soloed Uranium with just a Cabal and some Holy Water to throw on the bad guys. You're still wrong. Honestly, she's the best kiter in the game, so if you're going to solo plat with a bad weapon she's probably the easiest to do it with. Not impressed.