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[Scott Sion]

I haven't been reading much about what's been "confirmed" (Other then races, YAY), but I wanted to discuss Anders role in the next game in one form or another.

Considering the plot is pretty much Mages Vs. The Chantry, Anders, if alive, would almost certainly want to take part in it. If he survived I imagine he'll be leading some sort of rebel mage faction that may either help or hinder the Inquisitor based on his/her intentions. Perhaps he'll become DA:Is equivalent of a War Asset (If they're going that route with DA:I that is).

 So would someone else take his place as the leader of the mage faction in question? My guess is yes and no. If Anders "dies" in DA:2 then I think it's possible Justice (Or Vengeance now I supposed) would take full control of Anders's body and lead that same faction with more of an iron fist. I think it would be pretty interesting  to see how Vengeance/Justice leads that faction compared to how Anders would lead it.

Again, I haven't read any of the books (Haven't picked up a game novel since Deception) or any of the confirmations Bioware has made so I have no idea if either of those contradicts what I've suggested here.

[Taleroth]

I think people overpresent the Mages v. Chantry angle of this game. The plot is pretty much DEMON INVASION. With the Mages v. Templar being a continent wide thing going on that happens to intersect, if it's not related.

Now there's room for Anders to intersect with that himself. But there's also room for Anders to be busy doing other stuff because this is not entirely about that war. There will be many battles of that which are not present in the game.

Modifié par Taleroth, 20 août 2013 - 09:47 .

[Navasha]

Honestly that's a good point. I might have to replay DA2 and make sure I kill Anders even in my pro-mage playthroughs. I have no desire to see him ever again.

There would also be no justice/vengeance without Anders. That Spirit was gone, absorbed into Anders being.

[Scott Sion]

Navasha wrote...

Honestly that's a good point. I might have to replay DA2 and make sure I kill Anders even in my pro-mage playthroughs. I have no desire to see him ever again.

There would also be no justice/vengeance without Anders. That Spirit was gone, absorbed into Anders being.

So wouldn't have been dead and gone if "died" in Awakening? I really don't think they ever said that killing Anders would result in the death of Justice/Vengeance, I could be wrong though.

Modifié par plnero, 20 août 2013 - 09:53 .

[Navasha]

plnero wrote...

So wouldn't have been dead and gone if "died" in Awakening? I really don't think they ever said that killing Anders would result in the death of Justice/Vengeance, I could be wrong though.

Anders himself says it actually.   He says that Justice no longer exists.   That Anders absorbed him completely and it ultimately changed Anders personality. 

[Murder Knife]

I doubt he'll play a role at all. Even if he did survive the events of DA2, he'd still be hunted by the templars. He's not even that popular a character anymore. Frankly, I don't see much of a future for the guy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Navasha wrote...

plnero wrote...

So wouldn't have been dead and gone if "died" in Awakening? I really don't think they ever said that killing Anders would result in the death of Justice/Vengeance, I could be wrong though.

Anders himself says it actually.   He says that Justice no longer exists.   That Anders absorbed him completely and it ultimately changed Anders personality. 

Not rly take anders to the fade and justice will show instead him and surprisingly he sounds more like justice there than vengeance and still shows up in some moments as vengance.Even devs said that if you killed anders he stays dead but justice is different matter. I would like separate them like we did with Connor and demon perhaps even get back old good justice but that only my dreams:devil:.

[Dave of Canada]

How can a corpse have a role?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 20 août 2013 - 10:08 .

[Maria Caliban]

As Anders and Justice merged, they might appear as a spirit.

[franciscoamell]

Dave of Canada wrote...

How can a corpse have a role?

Let's ask Leliana that.

[Dave of Canada]

franciscoamell wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

How can a corpse have a role?

Let's ask Leliana that.

Unlike Leliana, Anders was a choice that was offered to the player for us to kill him rather than something which was the by-product of another choice.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Dave of Canada wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

How can a corpse have a role?

Let's ask Leliana that.

Unlike Leliana, Anders was a choice that was offered to the player for us to kill him rather than something which was the by-product of another choice.

Well they allowed us kill flemeth and oghren but still they are immortal

[devSin]

franciscoamell wrote...

Let's ask Leliana that.

I believe David has said Anders' death is for reals.

If you killed him, the only thing he'll be doing in DA3 is decomp.

[Scott Sion]

Navasha wrote...

plnero wrote...

So wouldn't have been dead and gone if "died" in Awakening? I really don't think they ever said that killing Anders would result in the death of Justice/Vengeance, I could be wrong though.

Anders himself says it actually.   He says that Justice no longer exists.   That Anders absorbed him completely and it ultimately changed Anders personality. 

I can't find an actual quote, but It was something like "Justice no longer exists, he is a spirit of Vengeance now". I don't believe he ever said that he "absorbed justice" either. Anders allowed him to enter his body as a host so they more or less share it. Most of the time Anders was in control, but when he got angry Justice/vengeance was able to take hold.  

I really don't think he's "gone" in the sense you're thinking.

[Nyneve]

I don't think he'll play a huge role, since many players killed him off. Tbh I don't think we'll see him at all, even though I'd like to. He'll probably get mentioned, so that companions can agree/disagree with what he did and I hope we get some info on where he is, because my Hawke romanced him. But I figure if he's alive he's pretty much done with mage rebellion. He did all he could, started a civil war and got pretty much what he wanted (or if Hawke didn't kill him and sided with the templars he commited suicide)

[Scott Sion]

devSin wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Let's ask Leliana that.

I believe David has said Anders' death is for reals.

If you killed him, the only thing he'll be doing in DA3 is decomp.

Anders and Justice are two different beings. If you killed Anders in DA:2 that doesn't necessarily mean that Justice will die as well.

If you ask Justice what he though would happen to him when he "dies" in Kristoffs body he won't know. I don't think Anders has anymore knowledge than a fade spirit in this subject, so even if Anders did in fact say that Justice would die as well I'm not sure I actually believe him.

Modifié par plnero, 20 août 2013 - 10:21 .

[MissOuJ]

I hope we'll see Anders again, and since the Mage-Templar war seems to be at least a semi-big issue in DA:I I am somewhat optimistic.

I'd love to run into rebel Anders (and possibly Hawke *fingers crossed*) as the Inquisitor. I'd give my firstborn if Anders ended up being one of those "agents" the dev diary mentioned, buuuut... probably not gonna happen. Oh well.

Also, since loads of people apparently(?) killed him I don't know how big a role he even can have in DA:I without screwing over people who murderknifed him.

[also: the "dev canon" (ie. "no DA:O/DA2 import" option) says that Hawke was a mage who sided with the Mages... wonder if Anders is alive or dead in this DA:I "NG vanilla" -option]

[Liyros]

He'll be mentioned at the very least. (I'm guessing)

Modifié par Saslic, 20 août 2013 - 10:22 .

[Mr Cloud]

I believe he has the most wanted mages' head, so if we see him it would mean he's doing a terrible job running.

But cameo will work. I never kill off any companions, so that they could appear in next installment of a series. I'm a bad role-player.

Modifié par Mr Cloud, 20 août 2013 - 10:30 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I did let him go once, so I kinda hope we run into him for a cameo.

[Mr Cloud]

plnero wrote...

If you ask Justice what he though would happen to him when he "dies" in Kristoffs body he won't know. I don't think Anders has anymore knowledge than a fade spirit in this subject, so even if Anders did in fact say that Justice would die as well I'm not sure I actually believe him.

I'm pretty sure I've heard somewhere that when host is killed, spirit goes back to the Fade.

[Maria Caliban]

Like a dog with a bone. We will never stop complaining about Leliana because a random animation could fire that decapitates her.

[Kalas Magnus]

If they bring anders back I hope he isnt stuck in that halfway state. Either he is anders or justice completely takes over.