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[Mr.House]

Nothing beats romancing Anders, then killing him.

[Hellion Rex]

Mr.House wrote...

Nothing beats romancing Anders, then killing him.

Couldn't stand the sting of his betrayal?
Personally, I could never stand to romance him, especially after I saw what he did. 

[Mr.House]

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Nothing beats romancing Anders, then killing him.

Couldn't stand the sting of his betrayal?
Personally, I could never stand to romance him, especially after I saw what he did. 

I try to forget I even did that pt.

[frankf43]

Nohvarr wrote...


If you knew he was about to blow up the Chantry before hand, would you stop him?

Yes If I had known and been given the option I would have stopped him. Now if his plan had been to take out Meredith and the Templars who had been abusing the mages I would have been right behind him.

As I said earlier, target the ones who are actually responsible for the crimes being committed not all the passive people associated with them.  

The same goes for mages and Chantry alike.

[ScarMK]

Silfren wrote...

I'm not sure, actually.  Origins gives us lore that says of the two kinds of possession (one being a willing host who allows the spirit/demon in,

I only remember hearing of this from Origins when Connor was possessed.  We were able to free him from the demon because it was in the fade controlling him and not physically inside him.

[Porenferser]

If he gets resurrected just so I can slay him again - alright.
Otheriwse, keep this douche off my game.

[Hellion Rex]

ScarMK wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I'm not sure, actually.  Origins gives us lore that says of the two kinds of possession (one being a willing host who allows the spirit/demon in,

I only remember hearing of this from Origins when Connor was possessed.  We were able to free him from the demon because it was in the fade controlling him and not physically inside him.

You bring up a good point. But that begs the question: was Connor "truly possessed" then? When a mage becomes possessed does a demon literally phase into a person's body? Or does it mean that the demon magically binds a person's fade self, similar to how Connor was controlled? Just my own take on the subject.

Modifié par eluvianix, 08 octobre 2013 - 08:45 .

[Hellion Rex]

Also, food for thought: have we ever heard of a dwarf becoming possessed? Or does their magical resistance make them less susceptible? I am trying to rack my brains for any dwarves that might have been possessed but I cannot think of any at all..

[Br3admax]

Mr.House wrote...

Nothing beats romancing Anders, then killing him.

I've never romanced him myself, but I heard that his end dialogue is hilarious. Is this true? 

Modifié par Br3ad, 08 octobre 2013 - 09:05 .

[Silfren]

Br3ad wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Nothing beats romancing Anders, then killing him.

I've never romaned him myself, but I heard that his end dialogue is hilarious. Is this true? 

How does one roman a fellow? =P

More seriously, I'm unsure how anyone can see Anders' end dialogue as hilarious.  It's certainly not written to be interprete that way.  A tad on the over-the-top melodramatic side, but that never bothered me because it fits in very well with the sort of person Anders is.  

Modifié par Silfren, 08 octobre 2013 - 08:50 .

[Br3admax]

I have a sick sense of humor, and I find someone asking if I'll help them kill people funny. You may like that someone cares about killing people more than you. I find that weird. I'm not an Anders fan though, so I find just about everything he does and says pointless, needless, and way to blown out of proportions.

[maliluka]

eluvianix wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I'm not sure, actually.  Origins gives us lore that says of the two kinds of possession (one being a willing host who allows the spirit/demon in,

I only remember hearing of this from Origins when Connor was possessed.  We were able to free him from the demon because it was in the fade controlling him and not physically inside him.

You bring up a good point. But that begs the question: was Connor "truly possessed" then? When a mage becomes possessed does a demon literally phase into a person's body? Or does it mean that the demon magically binds a person's fade self, similar to how Connor was controlled? Just my own take on the subject.

Yes Connor made a deal with the demon and was possessed, however you could go into the fade and confront the demon. Maybe this only worked as Connor had not been possessed for very long, or maybe he was just still a very week mage being so young and just coming into his powers.  Who knows maybe if there had been someway to confront Justice in the fade and defeat him there it might have separated the two of them but I doubt either Anders or Justice would have agreed to it.

Modifié par maliluka, 08 octobre 2013 - 08:57 .

[Nohvarr]

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Nothing beats romancing Anders, then killing him.

I've never romaned him myself, but I heard that his end dialogue is hilarious. Is this true? 

How does one roman a fellow? =P

Set him on fire and then Launch him towards the Darkspawn?

[ScarMK]

eluvianix wrote...

You bring up a good point. But that begs the question: was Connor "truly possessed" then? When a mage becomes possessed does a demon literally phase into a person's body? Or does it mean that the demon magically binds a person's fade self, similar to how Connor was controlled? Just my own take on the subject.

I think the Thedas definition for "possessed" is when a demon/spirit is actively controlling someone or something.  I don't recall anyone saying that Wynne was possessed, but I could be wrong.

eluvianix wrote...

Also, food for thought: have we ever heard of a dwarf becoming possessed? Or does their magical resistance make them less susceptible? I am trying to rack my brains for any dwarves that might have been possessed but I cannot think of any at all..

I think the closest thing we have to a possessed dwarf is Bartrand from his lyrium shard.

maliluka wrote...


Yes Connor made a deal with the demon and was possessed, however you could go into the fade and confront the demon. Maybe this only worked as Connor had not been possessed for very long, or maybe he was just still a very week mage being so young and just coming into his powers.  Who knows maybe if there had been someway to confront Justice in the fade and defeat him there it might have separated the two of them but I doubt either Anders or Justice would have agreed to it.

The difference between Connor and Anders/Justice is that Justice is physically inside of Anders.  They share the same body.  Justice is not in the fade anymore. This is not the case with Connor.  

Modifié par ScarMK, 08 octobre 2013 - 09:07 .

[maliluka]

ScarMK wrote...

maliluka wrote...


Yes Connor made a deal with the demon and was possessed, however you could go into the fade and confront the demon. Maybe this only worked as Connor had not been possessed for very long, or maybe he was just still a very week mage being so young and just coming into his powers.  Who knows maybe if there had been someway to confront Justice in the fade and defeat him there it might have separated the two of them but I doubt either Anders or Justice would have agreed to it.

The difference between Connor and Anders/Justice is that Justice is physically inside of Anders.  They share the same body.  Justice is not in the fade anymore. This is not the case with Connor.  

Yes true, there was that small minor detail... ehhhh schmatics

[Reaverwind]

Seboist wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Elanor1 wrote...

I hope he will appear in DA:I if you didn't killed him in DA2. I always let him live so I can in DA:I bring him to justice.

Tranquility would have been a more fitting punishment for his actions.

Would have liked to deal with Anders in the same manner as Roche did with Dethmold in TW2 and he'd have been more deserving of it too.

Oh yes, indeed. I also like Radovid's methods.

[Hellion Rex]

[quote]ScarMK wrote...

[quote]eluvianix wrote...

You bring up a good point. But that begs the question: was Connor "truly possessed" then? When a mage becomes possessed does a demon literally phase into a person's body? Or does it mean that the demon magically binds a person's fade self, similar to how Connor was controlled? Just my own take on the subject.

[/quote]

I think the Thedas definition for "possessed" is when a demon/spirit is actively controlling someone or something.  I don't recall anyone saying that Wynne was possessed, but I could be wrong.

[quote]

Um, Wynne was possessed by a Spirit of Faith...although the nature of their union could maybe be classified instead as a merging of sorts. 

[BouncyFrag]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Elanor1 wrote...

I hope he will appear in DA:I if you didn't killed him in DA2. I always let him live so I can in DA:I bring him to justice.

Tranquility would have been a more fitting punishment for his actions.

I completely disagree. But nonetheless, wouldn't the presence of Vengeance in his body completely negate that? Pharamond's possession seemed to reverse his Tranquility.

It would, yes.  Based on what we know from Asunder, it would not be possible to Tranq him without first expunging Justice from his body.

Well, when I played DA2 I had no clue about this other stuff which is besides the point. The look on his face and subsequent *gulp* when we ramped up the tranquility machine would have been worth it in and of itself.

[Silfren]

BouncyFrag wrote...

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Elanor1 wrote...

I hope he will appear in DA:I if you didn't killed him in DA2. I always let him live so I can in DA:I bring him to justice.

Tranquility would have been a more fitting punishment for his actions.

I completely disagree. But nonetheless, wouldn't the presence of Vengeance in his body completely negate that? Pharamond's possession seemed to reverse his Tranquility.

It would, yes.  Based on what we know from Asunder, it would not be possible to Tranq him without first expunging Justice from his body.

Well, when I played DA2 I had no clue about this other stuff which is besides the point. The look on his face and subsequent *gulp* when we ramped up the tranquility machine would have been worth it in and of itself.

Given the nature of Tranquility to render a person completely unable to give a damn about their condition, I really don't understand why people think this would be such a crowning moment of poetic justice.  That kind of thing tends to only work when the victim in question is able to care about what's happening to them.  By it's very definition, Tranquility eliminates that. 

[Silfren]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I find it hilarious how the some of you guys are comparing to what Anders did to RL terrorist. That's just ridiculous at best.

Its really not. His actions even fit the traditional definition of terrorism perfectly.

What I find hilarious my friends, is how people will white knight Anders, up to and including trying to say that he didn't kill a single civillian despite blowing up an important building in a populated area.

Actually, no they don't, because there isn't one singular defintion for terrorism.  Governments are notorious for screwing with the definition lest their own actions be categorized as such. 

http://en.wikipedia....ns_of_terrorism  And this article is well sourced, so I will categorically dismiss any objections to wikipedia as just meaning you don't have a proper counter argument.

Modifié par Silfren, 08 octobre 2013 - 10:23 .

[schalafi]

Haven't any of you "lets kill Anders" people ever heard of a TRIAL? I wouldn't have hesitated if there had been a chance of trying him before a jury of both Mages and Templars, but outright killing him was wrong. It's like having a lynch mob kill a prisoner before having all the facts.
IMO, Anders was possessed and once Justice turned to Vengeance, he really had no chance to undo it, even though he wanted to. My feeling was he was trying to make up for the destruction of the Chantry, by helping defeat Meridith.

[Reaverwind]

schalafi wrote...

Haven't any of you "lets kill Anders" people ever heard of a TRIAL? I wouldn't have hesitated if there had been a chance of trying him before a jury of both Mages and Templars, but outright killing him was wrong. It's like having a lynch mob kill a prisoner before having all the facts.
IMO, Anders was possessed and once Justice turned to Vengeance, he really had no chance to undo it, even though he wanted to. My feeling was he was trying to make up for the destruction of the Chantry, by helping defeat Meridith.

He was an abomination that should have been put down long ago, but was protected by plot armor.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 08 octobre 2013 - 10:32 .

[Silfren]

The very fact that Anders wants to die should, I think, give someone pause before thinking that's the best punishment. Killing him in order to eliminate him as a threat to other people is one thing, but as a punishment, it fails entirely, because Anders fully expects to die and wants to. If the objective is to punish him, then by rights the best action is to let him live to face the consequences of his actions.

Modifié par Silfren, 08 octobre 2013 - 10:33 .