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[Lord Raijin]

[quote]d-boy15 wrote...

Just because Anders can do some good doesn't make other Mages all good or can be trust. Not all
free mages are dangerous but some of them are enough to pose a threat if they gone bad.
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Non-mage Loghain, who was power hungry, essentinally aided the darkspawn by abandoning his King during the battle in ostagar during the Blight and started rumors that the Grey Wardens were at fault. A none-mage provoked a war against the mages in Kirkwall that resulted in the explosion of the Chantry in retatlation. It seems to me that it is the non-mages thats proving to be more dangers than the mages. Now in DA3 templars are getting high off of Red lyrium, and becoming giant size red monsters.

Now tell me again whos the dangerous ones? Perhabs we should take the Tevinter Imperium approch by enslaving non-mages so that they could no longer harm themselves and others.

[quote]Different situation, different time. In the past the tension between mage and templar isn't serious and 
unreasonable as Hawke time. And that come from the mage victim opinion which why I said it's pretty
reasonable for him to believe that.[/quote]

No it's not a different situation. Mages and Templars can coexist with each other, and the situation between Hawke's father and a templar that help him to escape proves it. First Enchanter Irving and knight-commander Greagoir seems to have a pretty stable relationship going. If Irving survive during the broken circle quest Greagoir showed legitmete concerns over his collegue.

[/quote]Also, how can you expect two peoples to be friend when they had fear to each other? Templar thinks
mage will  try to escape or manipulate them, mage fear that templar will try to find a reason to punish
them. [/quote]

Get rid of the source thats responsible for spreading the fear, and you will have one big friendly community.

[quote][b]
Blood magic users in DA2, turn to demon many time. The women who kill Thrask seem to be herself most of the time until she is killed, Quintin didn't possessed, the blood mage who turn templar in to demon isn't either.

And he shouldn't even use it from the start if it's mean dealing with the demon. [/quote]

Thats because they're too weak to handle such an art. You are after all dealing with Demons. It explains why the Chantey forbids the use... I strongly doubt that the templar smite could stop a mage from using blood magic, since it is not using mana but the mages life force. The woman who killed Thrask was crazy. She also wanted to kill Hawke for murdering her husband, or boyfriend.

Blood magic isn't for the weak.

[quote]Are you gonna say that without Chantry, mage won't do no harm? [/quote]
They're going to be some bad mages just like theirs going to be some bad non-mages. Life isn't perfect. Without the Chantry mages do not have a reason to fight for their freedom because they would have exactly that.

Just because you were born with magic doesn't mean that you should be locked away. The Circle should be run by mages themsevles. To have a safe haven to practice and to learn magic.

[Lord Raijin]

Morocco Mole wrote...
I consider priests, priestesses, and normal average day people probably visiting the chantry for whatever reason innocent people. Just because you don't see them in a three second cutscene doesn't mean they didn't exist.

Ok so lets count up how many people Anders slaughtered up and see how many innocent mages Meredith had executed over the years. Lets count how many of those mages were illegally made tranquil. And why was her  assistant  mage Tranquil?

So its perfectly okay for Orsino to protect a serial killer just because it might be useful? This is pretty hypocritical.

I can preach about the same thing about what Elthina was doing... or not doing about the situation with Meredith.

Here you are trying to excuse Anders actions by dumping them on Meredith again. No one is denying Meredith isn't at fault. But Anders still provoked her into doing the annulment.

Perhabs but Meredith provoked Anders to blow up the Chantry

Just because you seem to think every person in the chantry is evil (a stupid belief since most people just don't wake up in the morning and decide they are going to be evil) doesn't mean that they are.

But they do wake up every morning and do their duties by preaching such diabolic hate to the public, and mages of the Circle will contuine to hear that their nothing but a curse, and how their force to learn the teachings of the Chantry and abide by their rules. Theirs a mage at the Circle tower that wishes nothing more than to have a templars sword to her chest because she was brainwashed to believe that she is evil because she is a mage.

[Nohvarr]

But they do wake up every morning and do their duties by preaching such diabolic hate to the public, and mages of the Circle will contuine to hear that their nothing but a curse, and how their force to learn the teachings of the Chantry and abide by their rules. Theirs a mage at the Circle tower that wishes nothing more than to have a templars sword to her chest because she was brainwashed to believe that she is evil because she is a mage.

The following Spoilers are from Dragon Age: Asunder

Shortly after her installment as Divine, Justinia discreetly began to investigate the treatment of mages by the Chantry. She believed in improving the Circle of Magi, but centuries of Chantry tradition prevented her from simply commanding the templars to follow her vision, which many would resist. To this end, she had secretly ordered a Tranquil named Pharamond to research ways to protect weaker mages from demonic possession without resorting to the Rite of Tranquility. Arch-Mage Wynne was charged with monitoring Pharamond's progress. Five years later, Wynne learned that Pharamond had become possessed by a demon—something that theoretically cannot happen to a Tranquil. Justinia authorized Wynne to rescue the man and discover the results of his experiments, leading to Wynne's expedition to the Adamant fortress.

At Adamant, Wynne discovers that Tranquility can be cured and returns to Justinia with evidence in the newly restored Pharamond. Publicly, Justinia expresses concern and caution about the results and implications of Pharamond's research. However, she turns a blind eye on the fact that Wynne has already sent the formula for the cure to every Circle of Magi in Thedas before her return to Val Royeaux

Modifié par Nohvarr, 09 octobre 2013 - 05:06 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Fighting fire with fire just leads to everyone being burned.

Or if your using raijin logic, you can do anything you want and be right, as long as someone did something of equal or worse proportions. Stalin was a good guy for slaughtering millions of people in labor and death camps, because hitler killed more people than he did.

Logic shall preveil, or in this case be beaten to death with a switch.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 09 octobre 2013 - 05:28 .

[aerisblight]

psst... Anders will return as a mage godfather, sitting on his throne with smokes and golden necklaces.

[Gold Dragon]

Meh.

Just shows that Bioware's writing did a good job.  This is, what, the 19th page?  Nice!  And a moderator had to intervene only once!  Well Done, indeed!


And anyways, it's all HAWKE's fault. And possibly Varric's fault, too.  After all, Hawke didn't inform the Grand Cleric that Anders was acting suspiciously, did (s)he? And even possibly HELPING Anders.

And Varric IS a storyteller.  Who's to say that the circumstances were somewhat different, and Varric is pulling the Seeker Cassandra's leg?  Varric IS a freind of Hawke, And sticking up for a freind is what freinds do, right?

Lastly, Ive noticed some Anti-mage bias in here.  Those as saying that NO mage can be trusted are lumping in the Warden Commander of Ferelden with the others.  And the WC has a fair chance of being a Mage, too.  Just saying.

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 09 octobre 2013 - 08:23 .

[Isaidlunch]

You can go up to Cullen and tell him that you believe Anders is plotting something against the Chantry. With Anders in the party. And nothing happens.

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[Plaintiff]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Fighting fire with fire just leads to everyone being burned.

Actually, back burning is a legitimate fire-fighting technique and can be very effective in halting a wildfire in progress.

[wolfhowwl]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

Meh.

Just shows that Bioware's writing did a good job.  This is, what, the 19th page?  Nice!  And a moderator had to intervene only once!  Well Done, indeed!

Not really. Bad writing can also get a rather passionate response.

The success of Anders plot relies on everyone else being completely stupid, plot armor, and Hawke getting an all expenses paid trip on the Union Pacific instead of any particular brilliance on Anders' part.

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

You can go up to Cullen and tell him that you believe Anders is plotting something against the Chantry. With Anders in the party. And nothing happens.

...

I have to wonder why they even bothered writing that.

e: Oh because its DA2. Forgive me.

All things considered though, it set up the next installment, bad writing or no. I think of it as a necessary stepping stone to get to the good stuff - DAI.

[AresKeith]

eluvianix wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

You can go up to Cullen and tell him that you believe Anders is plotting something against the Chantry. With Anders in the party. And nothing happens.

...

I have to wonder why they even bothered writing that.

e: Oh because its DA2. Forgive me.

All things considered though, it set up the next installment, bad writing or no. I think of it as a necessary stepping stone to get to the good stuff - DAI.

Asunder really set it up, DA2 was just about Hawke's Rise to Power

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think Asunder was partly damage control on Gaider's part myself.

What did you think of the novel?

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

You can go up to Cullen and tell him that you believe Anders is plotting something against the Chantry. With Anders in the party. And nothing happens.

...

I have to wonder why they even bothered writing that.

e: Oh because its DA2. Forgive me.

All things considered though, it set up the next installment, bad writing or no. I think of it as a necessary stepping stone to get to the good stuff - DAI.

Asunder really set it up, DA2 was just about Hawke's Rise to Power

But Ander's actions got the ball rolling, Asunder just ramped up the action.

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I haven't managed to read it yet. But I've heard it retcons a few things to clarify that Anders wasn't the huge catalyst he wanted to be.

Of course I could be wrong.

It is worth a read. I personally enjoyed it, but even if you don't care for it, it sets up the next game rather well.

[Heimdall]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I haven't managed to read it yet. But I've heard it retcons a few things to clarify that Anders wasn't the huge catalyst he wanted to be.

Of course I could be wrong.

Well, he was in the sense that his actions upped tensions substantially, which led the the situation that allowed Asunder to occur.  Something similar may have happened eventually, but Anders definitely sped it along the path to collapse.

[AresKeith]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I haven't managed to read it yet. But I've heard it retcons a few things to clarify that Anders wasn't the huge catalyst he wanted to be.

Of course I could be wrong.

That made me smile when it kinda did

[Heidenreich]

*temple rub*

[Br3admax]

Morocco Mole wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

That made me smile when it kinda did

Chasing Anders through the fade in DA:I

You heard it here first

"But I can destroy the demons?"
"Yes, but all spirits wil be targeted. You yourself are partly a spirit. Could you imagine your life without that?"

Maker or World-wide possession option. Calling it now. Take the place of the Maker or join spirit and mortals.