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[Gwydden]

Morocco Mole wrote...
The Warden-Commander is the player character. Its expected for him or her to be a massive mary sue.

Can a generic, highly customizable character that is almost required to be awesome for the game to fulfill its purpose, be considered a Mary Sue? After all, we all saw how people reacted to DA2, with Hawke being incapable of doing anything right, and pretty much just doing what other people asked him to.

Don't get me wrong, I do believe that PCs are often too awesome for their own good (Shepard being the worse case) but the other end of it it's not great either. Though I certainly wouldn't mind a the Inquisitor having to work a little harder for his bread and being kicked but the plot once in a while in a way that doesn't have you wonder the thousand things you could have done to prevent it (Leandra and Anders are obvius examples).

[Gwydden]

Br3ad wrote...
"But I can destroy the demons?"
"Yes, but all spirits wil be targeted. You yourself are partly a spirit. Could you imagine your life without that?"

Maker or World-wide possession option. Calling it now. Take the place of the Maker or join spirit and mortals. 

Thank you for the nightmares.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I imagine he's going to be at least mentioned. Varric will say something about the chantry explosion, I'm sure.

[Lord Raijin]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Here we go again trying to divert the atrocity Anders did by trying to blame Meredith.

Because Meredith was to blame for what happen. Didn't you pay much attention to Varric's epilogue? Cassandra clearly stated that Meredith provoked the Circle, and that she was to blame for what happen. Don't ignore the facts when it's blantly there in black and white.

So you agree that you are a hypocrite then?

How exactly am I a hypocrite?

And yet they aren't all evil, nor do all of them think mages are evil. You can't label an entire faction as evil just because you don't personally agree with them.  I don't label every mage evil even though every single one in DA2 seems to be an insane bloodmage now do I?

If you join a faction that is quite known to be corruptive then eventually you become corrupted as time goes by. I highly recommend that you go and read the Chantry - Circles as narcissistic family + Anders to understand my direct feeling (No I didn't write it, just highly agree with it) about the Chantry as a whole.

[Lord Raijin]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Fighting fire with fire just leads to everyone being burned.

Or if your using raijin logic, you can do anything you want and be right, as long as someone did something of equal or worse proportions. Stalin was a good guy for slaughtering millions of people in labor and death camps, because hitler killed more people than he did.

Logic shall preveil, or in this case be beaten to death with a switch.

So by your logic Anders should be compaired to people like Stalin and Hitler? I think I've got a migraine now.

[AresKeith]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Here we go again trying to divert the atrocity Anders did by trying to blame Meredith.

Because Meredith was to blame for what happen. Didn't you pay much attention to Varric's epilogue? Cassandra clearly stated that Meredith provoked the Circle, and that she was to blame for what happen. Don't ignore the facts when it's blantly there in black and white.

And then Varric said it could've been that idol, or Anders

You should be the one who shouldn't ignore facts

[ScarMK]

Lord Raijin wrote...

I think I've got a migraine now.

Now you know how the rest of us feel.

[Lord Raijin]

AresKeith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Here we go again trying to divert the atrocity Anders did by trying to blame Meredith.

Because Meredith was to blame for what happen. Didn't you pay much attention to Varric's epilogue? Cassandra clearly stated that Meredith provoked the Circle, and that she was to blame for what happen. Don't ignore the facts when it's blantly there in black and white.

And then Varric said it could've been that idol, or Anders

You should be the one who shouldn't ignore facts

After listening to what Varric had told her she made an educated judgement by indcating that Meredith was the guilty party. I am not the one thats ignoring the facts.

[AresKeith]

Lord Raijin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Here we go again trying to divert the atrocity Anders did by trying to blame Meredith.

Because Meredith was to blame for what happen. Didn't you pay much attention to Varric's epilogue? Cassandra clearly stated that Meredith provoked the Circle, and that she was to blame for what happen. Don't ignore the facts when it's blantly there in black and white.

And then Varric said it could've been that idol, or Anders

You should be the one who shouldn't ignore facts

After listening to what Varric had told her she made an educated judgement by indcating that Meredith was the guilty party. I am not the one thats ignoring the facts.

And she did, but that still doesn't make it hard facts

But Anders and the Idol were also the guilty party 

[Lord Raijin]

AresKeith wrote...

And she did, but that still doesn't make it hard facts

But Anders and the Idol were also the guilty party 

So Cassandra is wrong and you are right?

[AresKeith]

Lord Raijin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

And she did, but that still doesn't make it hard facts

But Anders and the Idol were also the guilty party 

So Cassandra is wrong and you are right?

You mean in that I consider all three the guilty party in what happened?

Then yes

[Lord Raijin]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I'm not sure what your point is. Cassanda is infallible?

Cassandra doesn't seem to be the type that doesn't make whole lot of mistakes considering the fact that shes not just a Seeker, but the Hero of Orlais and the Right Hand of the Divine. Seems like shes infallible after all wouldn't you say?

Someone who is incompetent ,who makes poor judgements, is incapable of achieving such titles.

It's ok if you disagree with her, but she stating the facts. You can argue about how much Anders was truly to blame, or the idol, but the fact is Meredith went crazy and provoked the Circle therefour responsible for causing an uproar in Kirkwall.

[AresKeith]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I'm not sure what your point is. Cassanda is infallible?

Cassandra doesn't seem to be the type that doesn't make whole lot of mistakes considering the fact that shes not just a Seeker, but the Hero of Orlais and the Right Hand of the Divine. Seems like shes infallible after all wouldn't you say?

Someone who is incompetent ,who makes poor judgements, is incapable of achieving such titles.

It's ok if you disagree with her, but she stating the facts. You can argue about how much Anders was truly to blame, or the idol, but the fact is Meredith went crazy and provoked the Circle therefour responsible for causing an uproar in Kirkwall.

Once again nobody denied that Meredith is part of the blame, but the Idol and Anders are pretty much on Par with the blame

Especially since Anders was the one who caused the uproar when he blew up the Chantry

[Ravensword]

But, Mole, if Meredith hadn't lost her mind, Anders wouldn't have had to murder innocent people.

Modifié par Ravensword, 10 octobre 2013 - 03:49 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Anders didn't have to do anything, he wanted to start a global war. If provoking a mad Knight Commander with terrorism wasn't the route to do that, he would have found another way. Or tried to, anyway. If Meredith were more reasonable or sane, his efforts wouldn't have changed.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 10 octobre 2013 - 03:56 .

[Br3admax]

If Anders had just stayed with the Templars I gave him to instead of somehow coming back and joining the Wardens anyway, none of this would have happened.

[addiction21]

Its always interesting how "the mad knight commander: seems to stand apart from the rest of the nutjobs in DA2.

Especially when it comes down to every worry a Knight Commander is supposed to have about the mages in their circle was true and had been true for years BUT damn that Ethina for forbidding her for doing a hard search of the circle.

No ones hands are clean here. For anyone to try and shift all responsibility from their chosen group to the other side is pathetic and is no better then those fanatics you try to decry.

[Lord Raijin]

Actually Grand Cleric Elthina deserves the full blame to what happen. Had she done something about Meredith none of this would've happen.  Anders wouldn't had the motivation for blowing up the Chantry, and things would be quite better for both Mages and Non-mages.

Meredith seems to be open about her dark past... I am quite sure that Elthina knew about happen to her sister, and yet... she still allows her to command her templars.

[Br3admax]

Nope, I'm pretty sure Anders blew up the Chantry on his own accord. He's to blame for him blowing up the Chantry.

Modifié par Br3ad, 10 octobre 2013 - 04:04 .

[AresKeith]

Ah yes, now shift the blame to a whole knew person now

Raijin can you please accept the fact that Anders did what he did (terrorism) on his own