[quote]Nohvarr wrote...
Interesting, because you've completely ignored the posts I've made using the same source. Allow me to repost them'
[quote]By the beginning of the Act,
Elthina has rejected Meredith's request for the Right of Annulment [/quote]
Right there, she prevents Meredith from enacting the ROA.[/quote]
clap clap clap she did something right.
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[quote]In
Hightown,
Orsino is trying to
convince the nobles that Meredith uses the fear of mages to take control of
Kirkwall. Meredith accuses him of inciting a rebellion. Then Elthina arrives and asks the templars to "show the First Enchanter back to the Circle," adding an injunction for them to treat him "gently," and
Meredith to "go back to the Gallows and calm down, like a good girl." If the Champion asks Elthina why she does nothing when she is in charge of the templars and the Circle, Elthina retorts that Hawke has "quite the estimation of [her] abilities." [/quote]
And again she intervenes, keeping the peace without taking sides. I mean she essentially put Meredith and Orsino in 'time out'[/quote]
Did you heard what Varric said in his epilogue loading screen after you completed the Deep road expedition? It doesn't sound like Elthina did a good job keeping the peace when you have Meredith making everyones life miserable, especially for the mages. She didn't do a goood job stopping meredith from essentinally taking over the city, and thus refusing to allow the nobility of the city cast their vote for a new Viscount. This scene, as you quoted, seems pretty touchy but it wasn't good enough to keep the peace. Elthina were treating these two full grown adults like children instead of adults. These two are backed up with armies, and could very well start a war within the city if they started fighting with each other.
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[quote]In the Chantry, Hawke
witnesses Sebastian asking what is Elthina's stance on the issue of the mages and the templars.
Elthina states that she favors peace and if the Maker is merciful, he will help them find it. She confesses that she did not expect things to deteriorate so fast. [/quote]
Making her position clear here, wanting peace but not wanting to take sides as her words could give one side an edge and cause chaos further down the line. One thing we've seen is the Oppressed becoming the Oppressors (See Bioshock Infinite for a wonderful example) so a mutually beneficial agreement/resolution is preferable to open war.[/quote]
It's blantly obvious that Elthina 100% supports the Templars. Meredith maybe the Commander, but Elthina is the actual leader in this outfit. And if she did not expect things to deteriorate so fast then it only proves that shes fit to be Grand Cleric.
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[quote]Hawke comes to Elthina to discuss the mages and the templars. Elthina
claims that she cannot take sides and that she is seeking to balance the needs of everyone. Then Anders shows up. Elthina comments that his soul is troubled and expresses her hope that he found a balm for it in the Chantry. [/quote]
Honestly these assertions she's evil ring very hollow to my ears after going over the above incidents.[/quote]
[quote] The Order is composed of numerous branches, each of them centered around
a specific community or region they are assigned to defend and monitor.
Templars may be assigned to the
Circles of Magi but also to individual Chantries.
Each main branch of the organization is led by a Knight-Commander. In Thedas there are fifteen Knight-Commanders, who in turn answer to the head of the local chantry, often a Grand Cleric,
depending on the region in question. The size and strength of each
branch also differs, depending on the community they serve or their
specific mandate. For example, the templars present in
Lothering are few in number, and may in fact be a smaller unit within a larger
chapter. Meanwhile, the templars assigned to watch over the Circles of
Magi in
Kinloch Hold and
Kirkwall are much more powerful, and in the case of Kirkwall, perhaps more powerful even than the civilian government in the city.
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Wouldn't you think it would be silly for Elthina to take the mages sides when shes in fact in charge of the Templar order in Kirkwall?
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[quote]If Meredith is the one to ask Hawke to
investigate the matter of
Thrask's conspiracy, she explains to the Champion that she needs hard evidence of Orsino's direct involvement to bring before Elthina, because
Orsino has persuaded the Grand Cleric that Meredith "is being unreasonable." Alternatively, if it is Orsino who asks for assistance,
he expresses his hope that Circle mages are not involved in something sinister, or "Meredith will have what she needs to justify the Right of Annulment." [/quote]
So this is the woman some of you feel deserves to die? I don't think I can agree with you on this.[/quote]
Yes I do. She did NOTHING to stop this conflict between Orsino and Meredith. She made it worst, not better. Anders thought he could reason with her, but proven to be wrong. She is very manipulative by using her title of Grand Cleric to preach about "peace" and "Oh I can't take sides and blah blah and blah" when she knew that she could not side with the mages base on her title as Grand Cleric. Elthina truly did not want peace, at all. Her actions says otherwise.
Meredith was nothing but a war monger. Despite what Orsino did at least
he tried talking sense to Meredith by asking her to revoke the ROA.. and was willing to surrender himself to her, but only if she discontuines ROA.
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