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[Taleroth]

duckley wrote...

plnero wrote...

duckley wrote...

If Anders is alive, I would guess he is on the run for murder. I cannot imagine the Inquisitor, who will likely have to walk a diplomatic tightrope, would want to have a murderer as a companion.

Considering you get to decide the Inquisitor's personality I'm thinking that will depend. It also depends on if you actually consider what he did to be cold blooded murder or not.

You or I may not think him a murderer (actually I do but...) however, many of  the people of Theda likley do.
. Unless the Inquisitor plans to bully his way to the top, hanging out with Anders would not be politically estute IMO.

Nobody ever has to walk political tightropes in Bioware games.

Spectres? Just punch people. Heck, punch reporters if you want. On camera.
Grey Wardens? Murder knife them for looking at you funny.
Champions? Fail to accomplish anything ever.

He'd be fine doing whatever.

[Steppenwolf]

plnero wrote...

Considering the plot is pretty much Mages Vs. The Chantry

No it isn't. That's just the state of affairs when the game starts. And they've already said that Anders isn't coming back if you killed him in DA][.

[Eterna]

The Chantry wants peace, it is more Mages vs Templars, who have broken away from the chantry.

[MissOuJ]

The Hierophant wrote...

plnero wrote...

There's a plot about Mages Vs. Templars and the person who sparked it isn't relevant?

It seems like DAI's Mage, and Templar conflict follows the events of Asunder that took place a year (iirc) after DA2's Act 3. The catalyst for the conflict in Asunder is completely unrelated to the Kirkwall incident.

Umm... no? Anders is even mentioned by name! And the "Kirkwall incident" is talked about! It's also made pretty clear that what happened in Kirkwall is one of the reasons 1) the Templars are being so paranoid in the White Spire 2) why the College of Enchanters has been disbanned, which is why the situation is so bad in the White Spire, and why the situation eventually escalates. Sure, Anders doesn't waltz in and blow up the Grand Cathedral, but saying that Asunder's plot has nothing to do with Anders / Kirkwall / DA2 is just not true. At all.

Have you even read the book?

[Browneye_Vamp84]

I can see where the Inquisitor has the choice of killing Anders (and Hawke if you ran away with him) when he gets caught. Plus, with the spirits running about he might come back as Justice/Vengeance.  I kinda hope not.  I've already  killed him once.   

Modifié par Browneye_Vamp84, 21 août 2013 - 12:33 .

[Savvie]

I really hope he doesn't. I miss the sarcastic Anders with his Ser Pounce-a-lot from awakening. I just wasn't a fan of the direction they took him in DA2, but I guess someone had to play that role. While it's nice to have cameos of characters from the other dragon age games, I don't want too much of this in DAI unless they play a key role in the dragon age storyline. I think of each game as it's own story happening in the world of Thedas.

[KiwiQuiche]

Ugh, they better not be doing another retcon like with the Leliana stupidity.

Anders was insane, killing him was a mercy.

[Ailith Tycane]

I don't see how he could, considering I shoved a knife into his ribs. Maybe there will be groups of mages who are following in his footsteps and we will run into them.

[duckley]

Taleroth wrote...

duckley wrote...

plnero wrote...

duckley wrote...

If Anders is alive, I would guess he is on the run for murder. I cannot imagine the Inquisitor, who will likely have to walk a diplomatic tightrope, would want to have a murderer as a companion.

Considering you get to decide the Inquisitor's personality I'm thinking that will depend. It also depends on if you actually consider what he did to be cold blooded murder or not.

You or I may not think him a murderer (actually I do but...) however, many of  the people of Theda likley do.
. Unless the Inquisitor plans to bully his way to the top, hanging out with Anders would not be politically estute IMO.

Nobody ever has to walk political tightropes in Bioware games.

Spectres? Just punch people. Heck, punch reporters if you want. On camera.
Grey Wardens? Murder knife them for looking at you funny.
Champions? Fail to accomplish anything ever.

He'd be fine doing whatever.

LOL - true !

[Zehealingman]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

If they bring anders back I hope he isnt stuck in that halfway state. Either he is anders or justice completely takes over.

[blaidfiste]

Let him trick the Inquisitor into blowing up his/her own headquarters.

[Scott Sion]

BasilKarlo wrote...

plnero wrote...

Considering the plot is pretty much Mages Vs. The Chantry

No it isn't. That's just the state of affairs when the game starts. And they've already said that Anders isn't coming back if you killed him in DA][.

The mage Vs. Chantry plot will have some relevance in DA:I, it just won't be the overall plot.
 
Since when do people take Bioware at the word for a character not returning? If Bioware had kept their "word" on such "promises" in the past then many of their games would have turned out different. I'm not saying they're intentionally lying, but plans change and unless they pinky swore you that he wouldn't come back then things could change.

[Ailith Tycane]

plnero wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

plnero wrote...

Considering the plot is pretty much Mages Vs. The Chantry

No it isn't. That's just the state of affairs when the game starts. And they've already said that Anders isn't coming back if you killed him in DA][.

The mage Vs. Chantry plot will have some relevance in DA:I, it just won't be the overall plot.

Actually it's not mage versus Chantry, it's mage versus Templar, and from what I understand it will have actually a rather huge role in the plot.

[DarthSliver]

Well if he comes back his dead, I think I let him live because Sebastian threaten to bring his army to hunt him down or some crap like that. Either way I didnt like Anders decision but didnt like being threaten by Sebastian so I think Anders lives for spiteful reasons lol. But his a dead man walking for blowing up that Chantry in Kirkwall, I am sure our Inquisitor will know what Anders did before running into him, assuming Anders will be in the game at all.

[Scott Sion]

Ailith430 wrote...

plnero wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

plnero wrote...

Considering the plot is pretty much Mages Vs. The Chantry

No it isn't. That's just the state of affairs when the game starts. And they've already said that Anders isn't coming back if you killed him in DA][.

The mage Vs. Chantry plot will have some relevance in DA:I, it just won't be the overall plot.

Actually it's not mage versus Chantry, it's mage versus Templar, and from what I understand it will have actually a rather huge role in the plot.

The overall plot looks like it's going to be the veil tear plot. Only time will tell how big the Mage Vs. Templar part is.

[Dave of Canada]

Maria Caliban wrote...

What? Seriously?

All DA2 accomplished was making the mages upset, nothing came from it aside from the Circles having more restrictions than usual.

Spoilers below:
Justinia worked behind the Templar's back upsetting High Seeker Lambert, Lambert discovered a murdered body and had evidence of a mage being responsible so he tried to arrest the mage but the others resisted and they were all put under arrest except for the plot-relevant ones.

The plot-relevant ones met Justinia who let Leliana go along to free the arrested mages, they kill Templar along the way and free the mages which causes them to escape and rebel against the Chantry much to the chagrin of Lambert who wrote a nasty letter to Justinia saying that he's annulling the accord between the Templar and the Chantry since she's not doing her job and they'll hunt mages without her.

Makes you question why Cassandra even bothered looking for Hawke.

[Kidd]

What I think is most interesting about the possibility of Anders returning is that even the mages who support the rebellion would be divided on the issue of Anders' morality. Some will consider his action justified while others will like the consequences of what he did but hate him as a person regardless for killing innocents. Then there are the mages who just wish to get back in the towers and pray for the conflict to blow over, to whom Anders would be the darkest evil incarnate who forced them on the run.

I would love to see Anders return in playthroughs where he's alive. Of course, what he could do is limited, but I'd love to see it regardless.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 21 août 2013 - 09:05 .

[Maria Caliban]

Taleroth wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...


This is my understanding as well. Asunder basically makes all of DA2 totally perfunctionary.

Mine as well, but having not read it personally I'm wary to commit to the claim.

The wiki summaries support the idea, but it wouldn't be the first time a summary has left out crucial facts.

That's hilarious.

[Rolling Flame]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Makes you question why Cassandra even bothered looking for Hawke.

You can probably blame Varric and his stories.

[KainD]

Vit246 wrote...

I don't think so and I don't want him to. He's not really that much relevant.

Just like Warden and Hawke. 

[Evamitchelle]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

What? Seriously?

All DA2 accomplished was making the mages upset, nothing came from it aside from the Circles having more restrictions than usual.

Spoilers below:
Justinia worked behind the Templar's back upsetting High Seeker Lambert, Lambert discovered a murdered body and had evidence of a mage being responsible so he tried to arrest the mage but the others resisted and they were all put under arrest except for the plot-relevant ones.

The plot-relevant ones met Justinia who let Leliana go along to free the arrested mages, they kill Templar along the way and free the mages which causes them to escape and rebel against the Chantry much to the chagrin of Lambert who wrote a nasty letter to Justinia saying that he's annulling the accord between the Templar and the Chantry since she's not doing her job and they'll hunt mages without her.

Makes you question why Cassandra even bothered looking for Hawke.

Asunder Spoilers

You're kind of forgetting the most important part : they find out that the Rite of Tranquility does not protect from demonic possession and is reversible. The College of Enchanters being disbanded, which is pretty much a direct consequence of Anders blowing up the Kirkwall Chantry, is also pretty important, since the rebellion only really started when they tried to hold another conclave and were attacked by Lambert and his templars. 

At the very least Anders sped up the whole process by blowing up the Chantry. 

[Maria Caliban]

Taleroth wrote...

Spectres? Just punch people. Heck, punch reporters if you want. On camera.

I have one better.

In ME 1, to move the plot forward, you have to break into Fist's bar and have a shoot out. Think about that. You're a guard at a bar, a group of heavily armed strangers burst, and proceed to murder every person in sight. Illegal and rather horrible from a moral standpoint.

And that's what causes the Council to make Shepard a SPECTRE.

[Wulfram]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Spectres? Just punch people. Heck, punch reporters if you want. On camera.

I have one better.

In ME 1, to move the plot forward, you have to break into Fist's bar and have a shoot out. Think about that. You're a guard at a bar, a group of heavily armed strangers burst, and proceed to murder every person in sight. Illegal and rather horrible from a moral standpoint.

And that's what causes the Council to make Shepard a SPECTRE.

Well, they shoot first.  And Shepard knows Tali's life is in imminent danger.  And might have a cop with him.