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[TTTX]

Evamitchelle wrote... 
At the very least Anders sped up the whole process by blowing up the Chantry. 

He wasn't the only one who help speeding up the process, Lambert, Merredith, Orsino, Elthina, the Libertarians, Adrian and the Templars (the ones who threat mages like crap and gets away with it)

[Aaleel]

Well he's dead in my one completed playthrough of DA2, so I don't think I'll have to worry about that.

BUT, it wouldn't be the first time a dead person came back so I can only hope Bioware respects the events of past games.

Modifié par Aaleel, 21 août 2013 - 11:58 .

[Evamitchelle]

TTTX wrote...

Evamitchelle wrote... 
At the very least Anders sped up the whole process by blowing up the Chantry. 

He wasn't the only one who help speeding up the process, Lambert, Merredith, Orsino, Elthina, the Libertarians, Adrian and the Templars (the ones who threat mages like crap and gets away with it)

I'm not saying he's the only one, I'm saying that he did play a (rather important) part, which some people in this thread seem to dispute. 

[Wulfram]

The Kirkwall incident played a part, but it seems more like the Agadir crisis than the Archduke getting shot.

[TTTX]

Evamitchelle wrote...
I'm not saying he's the only one, I'm saying that he did play a (rather important) part, which some people in this thread seem to dispute. 

He did, but I don't expect him to play a big part in DA:I, at the very least he gets mentioned a couple of times or a camo.

Which is fine by me, I don't like DA2 Anders, he whines to much about mages and he isn't even funny about it. Not to mention his so called jokes and sarcasm sound more dry then the Sahara desseret.

[Aaleel]

Evamitchelle wrote...

TTTX wrote...

Evamitchelle wrote... 
At the very least Anders sped up the whole process by blowing up the Chantry. 

He wasn't the only one who help speeding up the process, Lambert, Merredith, Orsino, Elthina, the Libertarians, Adrian and the Templars (the ones who threat mages like crap and gets away with it)

I'm not saying he's the only one, I'm saying that he did play a (rather important) part, which some people in this thread seem to dispute. 

Honestly it all depends on how the events of Kirkwall were recorded.  It really boils down to Meredith invoking the right of annulment because the grand cleric was murdered by a mage or magic or however you want to say it.  Does it really matter the name of the mage, enough to make that mage part of the storyline.

Modifié par Aaleel, 21 août 2013 - 12:07 .

[wright1978]

I don't want Justice-Anders dead body rising up to lead the mages in the playthroughs where he was killed. If he's alive i could see him in a cameo as an isolated figure being hunted by templars.

[Evamitchelle]

Aaleel wrote...

Evamitchelle wrote...

TTTX wrote...

Evamitchelle wrote... 
At the very least Anders sped up the whole process by blowing up the Chantry. 

He wasn't the only one who help speeding up the process, Lambert, Merredith, Orsino, Elthina, the Libertarians, Adrian and the Templars (the ones who threat mages like crap and gets away with it)

I'm not saying he's the only one, I'm saying that he did play a (rather important) part, which some people in this thread seem to dispute. 

Honestly it all depends on how the events of Kirkwall were recorded.  It really boils down to Meredith invoking the right of annulment because the grand cleric was murdered by a mage or magic or however you want to say it.  Does it really matter the name of the mage, enough to make that mage part of the storyline.

Anders is alread known as the mage who blew up Elthina in Asunder, but my saying that Anders played a part in the rebellion =/= needing him to play a part in DA:I. The game seems more about the tear in the Veil than the Mage/Templar war anyway. I'm all for a cameo if he's alive, and no cameo if he's dead. 

[blaidfiste]

Aaleel wrote...

Well he's dead in my one completed playthrough of DA2, so I don't think I'll have to worry about that.

BUT, it wouldn't be the first time a dead person came back so I can only hope Bioware respects the events of past games.

David Gaider said that Anders remains dead if you killed him

"No, he's quite dead. We could have gone to more elaborate lengths to show you... ensuring... that he was dead, but I think it got the point across.

I mean, sure, I guess if we wanted to we could come up with some elaborate explanation as to how he survived anyhow... but that's true with anyone. In this case, particularly since Anders was fully willing to die, I don't think having him live after all that would be very cool."

[Aaleel]

blaidfiste wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Well he's dead in my one completed playthrough of DA2, so I don't think I'll have to worry about that.

BUT, it wouldn't be the first time a dead person came back so I can only hope Bioware respects the events of past games.

David Gaider said that Anders remains dead if you killed him

"No, he's quite dead. We could have gone to more elaborate lengths to show you... ensuring... that he was dead, but I think it got the point across.

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">I mean, sure, I guess if we ]wanted [/color]to we could come up with some elaborate explanation as to how he survived anyhow... but that's true with anyone. In this case, particularly since Anders was fully willing to die, I don't think having him live after all that would be very cool."

Well that's good to hear because that death was different than some others.  Anders death wasn't a byproduct of some other choice or action it was moment written into the storyline and should be respected.  They all should honestly but this one more than the others.

[blaidfiste]

Aaleel wrote...

blaidfiste wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Well he's dead in my one completed playthrough of DA2, so I don't think I'll have to worry about that.

BUT, it wouldn't be the first time a dead person came back so I can only hope Bioware respects the events of past games.

David Gaider said that Anders remains dead if you killed him

"No, he's quite dead. We could have gone to more elaborate lengths to show you... ensuring... that he was dead, but I think it got the point across.

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">I mean, sure, I guess if we ]wanted [/color]to we could come up with some elaborate explanation as to how he survived anyhow... but that's true with anyone. In this case, particularly since Anders was fully willing to die, I don't think having him live after all that would be very cool."

Well that's good to hear because that death was different than some others.  Anders death wasn't a byproduct of some other choice or action it was moment written into the storyline and should be respected.  They all should honestly but this one more than the others.

Right however I wouldn't count on Fenris' or Merrill's death sticking if their characters are needed.  They had Leliana style deaths.

[Sundance31us]

blaidfiste wrote...

David Gaider said that Anders remains dead if you killed him

"No, he's quite dead. We could have gone to more elaborate lengths to show you... ensuring... that he was dead, but I think it got the point across.

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">I mean, sure, I guess if we ]wanted [/color]to we could come up with some elaborate explanation as to how he survived anyhow... but that's true with anyone. In this case, particularly since Anders was fully willing to die, I don't think having him live after all that would be very cool."

Anders may be dead, but I’m sure Vengeance is still alive and wearing his Anders suit.

[CrabbyCrackers]

I would like to see him again or at least know what hes up to.

[Gold Dragon]

In RE: Mage/Templar conflict.  It's as relevant to the MQ of Inquisition as the Civil War between Tullius & Ulfric in Skyrim.

Meaning that you may be able to ignore it entirely for most of the game, but at a critical point or two, it will rear it's ugly head directly in your path ( "Season Unending" quest for Skyrim), but that if you deal with it, then the game will play somewhat differently.

As for Anders....  His path isn't complete.  Hawke (an apostate woman who rejects blood magic) ran off with him, being a fugitive herself.   Wherever Anders is, you can bet the (former) Champion of Kirkwall is not far away.  And won't take threats against Anders very lightly, either.


Just sayin'!

[Lord Raijin]

Anders is my bro 4 life. We even blew up the Chantry together, and made a quick pose before escaping the city from the angry templars and guards.

[Plaintiff]

Since I spared him, it would be nice to see him again in some capacity.

[myahele]

I think he already played a very major role. I don't think he'll show up. if left alive he may get mentioned offhandedly like: "I heard Anders and co were at X looking for Y, blah, blah"

If dead then an NPC may say "Oh, Anders' dead body was paraded around in town, blah, blah"

Ofcourse THERE is a small possibility that Justice (of Vengeance) revived the body and became something else. Whoever said the undead were "alive" :-)

[Statare]

I spared Anders in my cannon. If you all killed him, it sounds like he'll stay dead, Vengeance/Justice is debatable (and with the Veild torn, more debatable).

I'd be interested to see how Anders views might change over the course of a bloody war. Would he be more zealous? Would he be less? If romanced, does he ever become less of a walking talking ideology and return to being a human?

Also, yes Anders was a murderer who blew up a building with people inside, but Leliana was an assassin, Zevran as well. Morrigan has probably killed a few people for getting in her way. Fenris goes on brutal killing sprees (even killing innocent Fog Warriors). Merrill potentially kills her clan. The Warden/Hawke are potential sociopaths, who at the very least are responsible for the deaths of countless mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, and children (some of those mages in the mage tower you annulled were children, hate to break it to you). Pointless/ubiquitous murders from companion to companion. Justifications being a reflection of bias, all we've got are a posse of killers and their leader who can cut down hundreds of people a day and still sleep at night.

Anders at least was possessed by a being that has no concept of death, and Anders spent more time healing people than killing.

[lady_v23]

Oh god no. He's DEAD. Let him be dead in peace.

The only one allowed to defy death is Leliana.

[Orian Tabris]

lady_v23 wrote...

Oh god no. He's DEAD. Let him be dead in peace.

The only one allowed to defy death is Leliana.

Yeah, because she is secretly Andraste's reincarnation, and The Maker cannot let his bride's Thedosian form, be permanently destroyed.

If Anders does play a role, then it better be a role from beyond the grave, or through his sparking of the Mage-Templar war, and how he deals with living that truth. Depending on his outcome in DA2, of course.

[lady_v23]

@Orian Tabris.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. I mean the part about leliana.

The one about anders though... *cough*

[Orian Tabris]

lady_v23 wrote...

@Orian Tabris.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. I mean the part about leliana.

The one about anders though... *cough*

What's wrong with that?! Not everyone makes choices based on their own opinions, you know.

[Shadow Fox]

If he does return I hope I get to kill him again.

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 08 octobre 2013 - 02:18 .

[lady_v23]

._. Should have posted with emoticons.

In all honestly, what more can anders do? If he does show up (for the people that let him live) I think it'll pretty much be cameo and that's it. I don't think he will be important if he shows up. He's dead in some people's canon.

[Orian Tabris]

A cameo is more than enough. 1 quest should do it, I think.