One thing I hear people say is blood magic is evil because it can control minds or summon demons,however would'nt be fair to say that blood magic isn't evil just the person who uses it for bad things?Blood magic can be used for good and I don't really see the point in demonizing something that is a tool at best.
Can Blood Magic be evil even if it's just a tool?
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:08
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Demons are attracted to power which blood magic can grant a lot of. So, even if you're not directly doing "evil" things, you're still attracting demons no matter what you do.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:09
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Sure.cjones91 wrote...
Can Blood Magic be evil even if it's just a tool?
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:10
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Stopping a murder by mind controlling the killers is one,blood magic created the Grey Wardens so that's another good thing Blood Magic has done.krul2k wrote...
what good can blood magic do?
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:12
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So if there were experiments done to cure cancer but the methods were evil, you would still condemn it?This is why I look at things in a gray perspective because something that's useful should'nt be discarded based on morality.Maria Caliban wrote...
Sure.cjones91 wrote...
Can Blood Magic be evil even if it's just a tool?
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:12
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The chantry says blood magic is evil. This means blood magic is evil.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:13
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cjones91 wrote...
One thing I hear people say is blood magic is evil because it can control minds or summon demons,however would'nt be fair to say that blood magic isn't evil just the person who uses it for bad things?Blood magic can be used for good and I don't really see the point in demonizing something that is a tool at best.
People demonize "tools" IRL all the time. Hydro dams, nuclear power plants, garbage incinerators, shock collars-all of these are essentially tools that people either hate or fear in some degree. And they are numerous more.
Why can't they hate or fear tools in video games?
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:14
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The Chantry says many things....most of them are for their own benefit.Jorina Leto wrote...
The chantry says blood magic is evil. This means blood magic is evil.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:14
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cjones91 wrote...
So if there were experiments done to cure cancer but the methods were evil, you would still condemn it?This is why I look at things in a gray perspective because something that's useful should'nt be discarded based on morality.Maria Caliban wrote...
Sure.cjones91 wrote...
Can Blood Magic be evil even if it's just a tool?
That's a rather slippery slope.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:16
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How so?If something can be used for good then who cares if it's seen as evil?Volus Warlord wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
So if there were experiments done to cure cancer but the methods were evil, you would still condemn it?This is why I look at things in a gray perspective because something that's useful should'nt be discarded based on morality.Maria Caliban wrote...
Sure.cjones91 wrote...
Can Blood Magic be evil even if it's just a tool?
That's a rather slippery slope.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:16
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krul2k wrote...
what good can blood magic do?
I don't think mages would make a deal with a demon for it if it wasn't powerful.
Blood magic is considered "evil" because it usually changes a person that uses it. Apparently, even if you don't learn it from a demon you can become corrupted by the power and eventually turn "evil". Most people in Thedas have to learn in from a demon seeing as the practice is so rare there and by learning from a demon they also run the risk of turning into an abomination.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:16
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That's another debate throughout the DA franchise. This is not like D&D where things are good or evil per se, we already saw many instances of people using blood magic behaving like "good guys" and people standing for order and safety turning out to be "bad guys". Asking this questions is wrong, it's playing within the fictional maniqueism in DA, just as when people try to ask whether the templars or the libertarian mages are the good guys.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:17
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Yes.cjones91 wrote...
So if there were experiments done to cure cancer but the methods were evil, you would still condemn it?Maria Caliban wrote...
Sure.cjones91 wrote...
Can Blood Magic be evil even if it's just a tool?
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:17
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I don't see blood magic itself to be evil. Its abilities, namely mind control, are just like any other, its only evil if used for evil. But the deal with the demon part is more stupid then not.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:18
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Then that's a shame.Maria Caliban wrote...
Yes.cjones91 wrote...
So if there were experiments done to cure cancer but the methods were evil, you would still condemn it?Maria Caliban wrote...
Sure.cjones91 wrote...
Can Blood Magic be evil even if it's just a tool?
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:18
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cjones91 wrote...
How so?If something can be used for good then who cares if it's seen as evil?Volus Warlord wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
So if there were experiments done to cure cancer but the methods were evil, you would still condemn it?This is why I look at things in a gray perspective because something that's useful should'nt be discarded based on morality.Maria Caliban wrote...
Sure.cjones91 wrote...
Can Blood Magic be evil even if it's just a tool?
That's a rather slippery slope.
I smell Godwin bait.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:21
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cjones91 wrote...
How so?If something can be used for good then who cares if it's seen as evil?Volus Warlord wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
So if there were experiments done to cure cancer but the methods were evil, you would still condemn it?This is why I look at things in a gray perspective because something that's useful should'nt be discarded based on morality.Maria Caliban wrote...
Sure.cjones91 wrote...
Can Blood Magic be evil even if it's just a tool?
That's a rather slippery slope.
Now you are contradicting yourself.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:22
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Blood magic is fueled on pain and suffering, usually that of others, and it's main offensive ability is to cause pain and suffering for others by attacking their blood and making it boil in their veins, or by controlling it directly and turning them into little more than blood sack filled puppets. That's not even going into the mind control aspects.
It would be rare, incredibly rare, for a person to not be evil while still using blood magic. And it isn't as if fiction hasn't explored the possibility of using evil powers for good before, http://tvtropes.org/...owersGoodPeople. Doesn't prove much of anything really, but it at least shows the basic idea that being a goood person using blood magic would follow.
And anyway, it's a constant battle of temptation against demons, your own greed and power trip, and the world around you. Weak willed people are bared from applying automatically.
It would be rare, incredibly rare, for a person to not be evil while still using blood magic. And it isn't as if fiction hasn't explored the possibility of using evil powers for good before, http://tvtropes.org/...owersGoodPeople. Doesn't prove much of anything really, but it at least shows the basic idea that being a goood person using blood magic would follow.
And anyway, it's a constant battle of temptation against demons, your own greed and power trip, and the world around you. Weak willed people are bared from applying automatically.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:23
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I understand what you are saying, but I guess you kind of have to remember where blood magic comes from. It is learned from Demons, who don't exactly part with the knowledge freely. In DA:O, you traded a boys soul for it. Hardly, a "good" act.
Mind-control is also a pretty blatant form of slavery. Forcing individuals to cast aside their own wishes and work against their own interests, isn't exactly a "good" act either. Saying you will only dominate and make slaves of "evil" people isn't very heroic.
The Grey Wardens agree with you in many cases, figuring that using the lesser of two evils to combat the greater evil is somehow justified. However, I don't think I would go so far as saying it can be used for "good".
Mind-control is also a pretty blatant form of slavery. Forcing individuals to cast aside their own wishes and work against their own interests, isn't exactly a "good" act either. Saying you will only dominate and make slaves of "evil" people isn't very heroic.
The Grey Wardens agree with you in many cases, figuring that using the lesser of two evils to combat the greater evil is somehow justified. However, I don't think I would go so far as saying it can be used for "good".
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:24
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@Navasha: I'm not sure it's necessary to deal with a demon, though they are a prime supplier. And you didn't have to trade the boy's soul, though admittedly dealing with a demon is usually pretty unrecommended.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:27
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cjones91 wrote...
The Chantry says many things....most of them are for their own benefit.Jorina Leto wrote...
The chantry says blood magic is evil. This means blood magic is evil.
The point is: "BLOOD MAGIC IS EVIL!" is a central dogma of the andrastian faith.
To oppose this dogma means to oppose the chantry as a whole.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:28
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Hypothetically not, but it depends. See codex entry Blood Magic: The Forbidden School. It's not just using blood to harvest mana for spells. If it were, you could say it's not immoral if you only use your blood/ someone willing. But the other blood magic-specific abilities, like dream stalking, mind control, summoning demons, all seem to be fairly evil. And even in the sense that using blood for mana is not evil in and of itself, they threw in the fact that apparently suffering increases the power of the blood sacrifice, hinting that it has a possible corrupting aspect even in that. With either the temptation to be increasingly self destructive or abusive.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:29
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cjones91 wrote...
How so?If something can be used for good then who cares if it's seen as evil?Volus Warlord wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
So if there were experiments done to cure cancer but the methods were evil, you would still condemn it?This is why I look at things in a gray perspective because something that's useful should'nt be discarded based on morality.Maria Caliban wrote...
Sure.cjones91 wrote...
Can Blood Magic be evil even if it's just a tool?
That's a rather slippery slope.
You could have an army of slaves kill demons.
That doesn't inherently make slavery okay.
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Posté 22 août 2013 - 05:33
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Blood magic is not inherently evil, but it does lend itself to evil purposes.
Virtually every great evil in the setting ties back to blood magic - the fall of Arlathan, the invasion of the Golden City, the trapped souls of the Blackmarsh community in the Fade, Zathrian's werewolf curse, the creation of the Harvester, etc. What good has blood magic ever done in the setting? Individually, the potential for abuse is far greater than that of regular magic, and the use of blood magic in and of itself makes one more susceptible to demonic possession.
Would we hand out live grenades to Kindergarten students on the chance that one of them might throw a grenade at a serial rapist or a terrorist? It could happen! The piles of exploded children are simply a necessary casaulty. Support my "Toys for Bombs" initiative today!
Virtually every great evil in the setting ties back to blood magic - the fall of Arlathan, the invasion of the Golden City, the trapped souls of the Blackmarsh community in the Fade, Zathrian's werewolf curse, the creation of the Harvester, etc. What good has blood magic ever done in the setting? Individually, the potential for abuse is far greater than that of regular magic, and the use of blood magic in and of itself makes one more susceptible to demonic possession.
Would we hand out live grenades to Kindergarten students on the chance that one of them might throw a grenade at a serial rapist or a terrorist? It could happen! The piles of exploded children are simply a necessary casaulty. Support my "Toys for Bombs" initiative today!
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