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[Potato Cat]

I consider blood magic magic on steroids.

There's nothing inherently wrong with using your blood to have super charged magic, (so long as it is your blood of course), but power corrupts. Soon you'll want just a bit more power and that will snowball, (see the Tevinters' corruption of the Black City).

So no, blood magic isn't evil, but it can easily be used for evil purposes. The problem is with the mage who wields that power, not the power itself.

[wildkeny]

blood magic = reaper tech

[Tarek]

no tool is evil

its how u use it

[Dave of Canada]

Any use for blood magic that could be labeled as "good" could be done using the other schools of magic or with lyrium, the fact that blood magic uses suffering and pain to empower itself should indicate it isn't the happiest of magical schools and when it's only unique wide-spread purposes are controlling minds and raising the dead, I see why it's outlawed.

[frankf43]

If I'm reading this new game correctly then Blood Magic, like a lot of other situations in the game, is a grey area. Further more I think that it is you who will decide what is good or evil as the game develops.

We know that the Grey Wardens thought that Blood Magic was just another tool to be used in the destruction of the Dark Spawn and we know that the Chantry believes that Blood Magic is outright evil.

Now Who is right? it's up to you to decide.

Modifié par frankf43, 22 août 2013 - 06:57 .

[Shadow Fox]

cjones91 wrote...

krul2k wrote...

what good can blood magic do?

Stopping a murder by mind controlling the killers is one,blood magic created the Grey Wardens so that's another good thing Blood Magic has done.

Wheter those are  "good" things is highly subjective.

[Taleroth]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

krul2k wrote...

what good can blood magic do?

Stopping a murder by mind controlling the killers is one,blood magic created the Grey Wardens so that's another good thing Blood Magic has done.

Wheter those are  "good" things is highly subjective.

The Grey Wardens being good is about as subjective as any of the supposed evils here.

The world not dying to omnicidal orcs with melty faces is hard to argue against.

[Pzykozis]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Any use for blood magic that could be labeled as "good" could be done using the other schools of magic or with lyrium, the fact that blood magic uses suffering and pain to empower itself should indicate it isn't the happiest of magical schools and when it's only unique wide-spread purposes are controlling minds and raising the dead, I see why it's outlawed.

True though at the same time if needs be gathering up the lyrium required to perform a ritual (as well as the time and other mages) is not the same as using your own blood to do something at the drop of the hat.

I wouldn't say Blood magic goes either way, the fact that it's used more to commit 'evil' than it is to do 'good' just speaks in general of the human/elf condition rather than anything about blood magic itself.

[Shadow Fox]

draken-heart wrote...

for the topic? Sure, if it is used for evil.

Merrill and the grey wardens show that the "evil" magic can be used for good, but also that some people just do not see it that way.

Merril's actions were selfish,made her a pariah to her own clan and ultimately got someone killed.The Wardens at best are morally dubious.

Ah the ol' "It's not us it's them.":whistle:

[Ieldra]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Any use for blood magic that could be labeled as "good" could be done using the other schools of magic or with lyrium, the fact that blood magic uses suffering and pain to empower itself should indicate it isn't the happiest of magical schools and when it's only unique wide-spread purposes are controlling minds and raising the dead, I see why it's outlawed.

There is a difference between "It may be pragmatic to outlaw it for the risks it poses" and "It's evil".

As for doing things with lyrium, the Chantry has a monopoly on that. I'm taking suggestions for "how many blood mages has the Chantry created by maintaining their stranglehold on the lyrium trade?" Also, what I do with my own body is my business. If I accept the pain in order to get into the Fade without lyrium, then I'm harming no one and no one has any reason to call that evil.

[TK514]

Blood Magic has side effects that are considered evil by society, and for best effect requires acts that are also considered evil by society, so even if it can be used for good, it would still be considered an evil art.

It corrupts the user over time.
It makes the user more susceptible to demonic influence and possession.
It requires fear, pain and death to be at its most effective; the more the better.

A man who murders others for money, with no other consideration, might also be an excellent father, give to charity, and stop muggings, but he's still an evil man. Blood magic is no different.

[Dave of Canada]

Ieldra2 wrote...

There is a difference between "It may be pragmatic to outlaw it for the risks it poses" and "It's evil".

As for doing things with lyrium, the Chantry has a monopoly on that. I'm taking suggestions for "how many blood mages has the Chantry created by maintaining their stranglehold on the lyrium trade?" Also, what I do with my own body is my business. If I accept the pain in order to get into the Fade without lyrium, then I'm harming no one and no one has any reason to call that evil.

1. Why would you want to go to the Fade?
2. The time we were sent in the fade with blood magic, it didn't use blood. It sacrificed someone's life.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 22 août 2013 - 07:31 .

[Shin_Seijurou]

Without blood magic my Warden wouldn't have been able to get to the Archdemon.

[Shadow Fox]

TK514 wrote...

Blood Magic has side effects that are considered evil by society, and for best effect requires acts that are also considered evil by society, so even if it can be used for good, it would still be considered an evil art.

It corrupts the user over time.
It makes the user more susceptible to demonic influence and possession.
It requires fear, pain and death to be at its most effective; the more the better.

A man who murders others for money, with no other consideration, might also be an excellent father, give to charity, and stop muggings, but he's still an evil man. Blood magic is no different.

Pretty much my thoughts.

[leaguer of one]

Blood magic is the ak-47 of magic. It may not be inherently evil but it is inherently dangerous. There is no real reason to have but to do damage and make flesh golems.

So, yes mages should not learn blood magic. If they want to then they should join the wardens.

[leaguer of one]

TK514 wrote...

Blood Magic has side effects that are considered evil by society, and for best effect requires acts that are also considered evil by society, so even if it can be used for good, it would still be considered an evil art.

It corrupts the user over time.
It makes the user more susceptible to demonic influence and possession.
It requires fear, pain and death to be at its most effective; the more the better.

A man who murders others for money, with no other consideration, might also be an excellent father, give to charity, and stop muggings, but he's still an evil man. Blood magic is no different.

Wardens use it. Point duffered.

[draken-heart]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

for the topic? Sure, if it is used for evil.

Merrill and the grey wardens show that the "evil" magic can be used for good, but also that some people just do not see it that way.

Merril's actions were selfish,made her a pariah to her own clan and ultimately got someone killed.The Wardens at best are morally dubious.

Ah the ol' "It's not us it's them.":whistle:

Merrill's actions were the cause of a demon using her to get to her keeper/mentor/mother figure. The wardens do anything to protect the populace from the darkspawn. Remeber that before the wardens were created, life was almost extinguished.

The only "evil" use of blood magic is Tevinter, and they are evil the core even without it.

[leaguer of one]

draken-heart wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

for the topic? Sure, if it is used for evil.

Merrill and the grey wardens show that the "evil" magic can be used for good, but also that some people just do not see it that way.

Merril's actions were selfish,made her a pariah to her own clan and ultimately got someone killed.The Wardens at best are morally dubious.

Ah the ol' "It's not us it's them.":whistle:

Merrill's actions were the cause of a demon using her to get to her keeper/mentor/mother figure. The wardens do anything to protect the populace from the darkspawn. Remeber that before the wardens were created, life was almost extinguished.

The only "evil" use of blood magic is Tevinter, and they are evil the core even without it.

No, the demon was try to get free, not get to the keeper.

[Taleroth]

What are the "good" uses of primal and entropy magic?

[TK514]

leaguer of one wrote...

TK514 wrote...

Blood Magic has side effects that are considered evil by society, and for best effect requires acts that are also considered evil by society, so even if it can be used for good, it would still be considered an evil art.

It corrupts the user over time.
It makes the user more susceptible to demonic influence and possession.
It requires fear, pain and death to be at its most effective; the more the better.

A man who murders others for money, with no other consideration, might also be an excellent father, give to charity, and stop muggings, but he's still an evil man. Blood magic is no different.

Wardens use it. Point duffered.

Evil and pragmatic are not mutually exclusive.

[Shadow Fox]

Taleroth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

krul2k wrote...

what good can blood magic do?

Stopping a murder by mind controlling the killers is one,blood magic created the Grey Wardens so that's another good thing Blood Magic has done.

Wheter those are  "good" things is highly subjective.

The Grey Wardens being good is about as subjective as any of the supposed evils here.

The world not dying to omnicidal orcs with melty faces is hard to argue against.

The Wardens are only needed to kill an archdemon to keep it from returning any man can kill darkspawn.

It doesn't make them less shadey.