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[LiL Reapur]

Jacob. Many of us BSN'ers thinks he is one of the lamest characters ever concieved next to Kaidan and i used to think this, but after actually talking to him more often on the SR-2 instead of just  the "FORCED" intro he's actually pretty cool despite him cheating on femsheps in mass effect 3 but he's not that terrible there is kaidan, i gave him a chance as well but hes soooo, how can i explain this....TV dinner boring compared to the other characters but this isn't a kaidan hating thread this is about Jacob and what qualities you think make him more or less lame.

P.S. A funny video about jacob that is too funny to say hes THAT terrible

Modifié par LiL Reapur, 22 août 2013 - 08:24 .

[The Night Mammoth]

He's not a bad character, as far as I'm concerned, he's just over shadowed by a whole bunch of much better ones.

Also, I don't think the writers really knew what to do with him. They wanted another Cerberus character alongside Miranda that was a little more sympathetic but they didn't invest enough into it. He's sort of jumbled and made up of a few too many unerdeveloped ideas. Traumatic experiences at Eden Prime, a drive to do good but not finding it in the Alliance, some concerns over Cerberus, pride in his work, an absent father; there's a lack of definition to make him stand out. Compare him to Thane, who has a clearly defined character and background.

[Hazegurl]

Hey now, I like TV dinner boring.

As for Jacob, I did like his mission to "save" his father only for the man to be a complete scumbag. Must be tough to learn your dad is a rapist.

[Barquiel]

I dislike that my FemShep is forced to flirt with him in ME2...and his "Shepards' true love is the Normandy" comment in ME3 didn't help either (when Shepards true love was probably standing right outside the door).

Apart from that, I thought he was fine. His loyalty mission was also one of the best imo.

[Calibrations52]

Besides having incredibly awkward and cliched dialogue in both 2 and 3, the main problem I have with Jacob is that he doesn't really have a conflict that drives him in a meaningful way. The other more interesting squadmates from 2 like Mordin (genophage), Miranda (designed to be perfect yet isn't, struggles against the control of her father), Jack (history with Cerberus), Garrus (how far to go to bring people to justice), Tali (loyalty to father vs. clearance), Samara (adherence to a code even when it comes to family), and Legion (heretics, synthetic among organics) have interesting conflicts that advance these characters and give them emotional (except in Legion's case) motivations for their actions.

Jacob's loyalty mission is a failure because he makes it clear from the start that he was never very close to his father. The emotional investment isn't there and therefore the impact of the twist that his father was behind the atrocities is never really felt. Whereas you can see a tangible change in Miranda after her loyalty mission, Jack's disposition when you get her to open up, or Garrus in convincing him that killing Sidonis is not the proper way of serving justice (if you're a Paragon), Jacob really doesn't change at all. After his mission, he's just the same old Jacob.

I'd even argue the very stilted and static characters like Grunt or Zaeed are better because they even have conflicts that may not be as interesting as some of the better characters from 2, but these conflicts are certainly better than Jacob's and they both have some semblance of personalities. Jacob is a static character that is devoid of both a personality and a meaningful conflict. That's usually not a recipe for success. That's just my opinion on why I don't really like Jacob.

[Riot Inducer]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

He's not a bad character, as far as I'm concerned, he's just over shadowed by a whole bunch of much better ones.

Also, I don't think the writers really knew what to do with him. They wanted another Cerberus character alongside Miranda that was a little more sympathetic but they didn't invest enough into it. He's sort of jumbled and made up of a few too many unerdeveloped ideas. Traumatic experiences at Eden Prime, a drive to do good but not finding it in the Alliance, some concerns over Cerberus, pride in his work, an absent father; there's a lack of definition to make him stand out. Compare him to Thane, who has a clearly defined character and background.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. He's not a bad character, and all in all he's actually a pretty cool guy, it's just that he doesn't have enough to make him stand out among the line-up of everyone else on the crew.

[AlexMBrennan]

he's actually pretty cool despite him cheating on femsheps

You don't have very high standards, do you?

I mean there's nothing wrong with polyamorous relationships if all the parties involved consent to it but I didn't get the impression that it was that kind of relationship.

[dublin omega 223]

LiL Reapur wrote...

Jacob. Many of us BSN'ers thinks he is one of the lamest characters ever concieved next to Kaidan and i used to think this, but after actually talking to him more often on the SR-2 instead of just  the "FORCED" intro he's actually pretty cool despite him cheating on femsheps in mass effect 3 but he's not that terrible there is kaidan, i gave him a chance as well but hes soooo, how can i explain this....TV dinner boring compared to the other characters but this isn't a kaidan hating thread this is about Jacob and what qualities you think make him more or less lame.

P.S. A funny video about jacob that is too funny to say hes THAT terrible

I liked Jacob's character and Kaidan as well. Much better than Ashley racist Williams.

[LiL Reapur]

AlexMBrennan wrote...
You don't have very high standards, do you?

I didn't romance him because of my high standards lol, Also i like him as a character but personally the only one that sets the bar with my femshep romantically is Garrus.

Modifié par LiL Reapur, 22 août 2013 - 06:40 .

[JamesFaith]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

He's not a bad character, as far as I'm concerned, he's just over shadowed by a whole bunch of much better ones.
 

Agreed.

He was just less interesting then others. Nothing more.

[Excella Gionne]

Hazegurl wrote...

Hey now, I like TV dinner boring.

As for Jacob, I did like his mission to "save" his father only for the man to be a complete scumbag. Must be tough to learn your dad is a rapist.

I eat "Lonely Woman Dinner"

[Hazegurl]

Barquiel wrote...

I dislike that my FemShep is forced to flirt with him in ME2...and his "Shepards' true love is the Normandy" comment in ME3 didn't help either (when Shepards true love was probably standing right outside the door).

Apart from that, I thought he was fine. His loyalty mission was also one of the best imo.

That's what made me quit my femshep triology run. She sounded so hard up every single time she talked to Jacob and there was nothing about him I saw that was worth acting like that.

@Johnny, it's not lonely when you've got hunky Kaidan burning up a steak for ya.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 22 août 2013 - 06:49 .

[Excella Gionne]

Never really liked him, but I didn't hate him. He always appeared to be professional around you, and if you romance him, well, he's another's baby daddy. I used him less as a squadmate as well. He was just that start out guy that you will tend to forget once more men came into the group.

[Excella Gionne]

@Hazegurl Haha! Don't forget the Hot Sauce!

[Secretlyapotato]

How dare you hate on Kaiden! /shun

[Sundance31us]

My male infiltrator/assassin Shepard didn't have a problem with him until he started bad mouthing Thane in the debriefing. <_<

[DecCylonus]

His concept wasn't bad. He left the Alliance because of their inaction, but he was uncomfortable with Cerberus' methods. That could have been turned into something interesting, but Bioware just dropped him and forgot about him in both ME2 and ME3. He was underdeveloped compared to the other characters. He was a useful squadmate with the right build, but that was it.

Cheating on FemShep in ME3 was a really poor decision on the writers' part. His romance with Dr. Cole was a nice wrap of his character: he quits Cerberus, finds peace, and is ready to settle down. But he should have remained loyal to FemShep if romanced. He still could have quit Cerberus and decided to protect the other defectors. The decision to have him cheat on FemShep, no matter what the player did, is baffling.

[wright1978]

Well he is quite unique in the fact he's a brazen man-hussy who zero loyalty coupled with an utter unfounded belief in his own ability as a tech specialist. Other than that i didn't think he was an inspired character(but neither was he horrible) in ME2 but could easily have been cut if they were looking for a somewhat smaller squad.

[Br3admax]

I don't like the way he's portrayed. He has the stereotypical black guy lines, he talks in a seriously stereotypical black guy way. He is the token black guy of Cerberus. And out of three black people with a face that we meet, two of them are dishonest? Really? "I guess I'm more like my father than I thought." WTF?!!

But I've personally never liked him, so I don't care. I mean, "I'm no doctor, but it was baaaaad."

[o Ventus]

It's not that Jacob is bad (unless you romance him and carry over to ME3), it's that literally every single other character is leagues more interesting.

Modifié par o Ventus, 22 août 2013 - 07:20 .

[Secretlyapotato]

Br3ad wrote...

He has the stereotypical black guy lines, he talks in a seriously stereotypical black guy way.

I don't see anything wrong with how he talks, he doesn't sound like he's out of the ghetto or anything.

[Fixers0]

I never really got the hate for Jacob, or the fact that people are trying to make fun of him, on the contrary he comes over to me as the most "normal" and level headed companion of Mass Effect 2, he has issues of course, but compared to some of the characters, he's pretty reasonable.

[LiL Reapur]

Br3ad wrote...
 "I guess I'm more like my father than I thought." WTF?!!
 

That had me laughing when i watched it on youtube. I was like really? This isn't the maury show damn it.

[Bionuts]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

He has the stereotypical black guy lines, he talks in a seriously stereotypical black guy way.

I don't see anything wrong with how he talks, he doesn't sound like he's out of the ghetto or anything.

Nothing wrong with ghetto talk.<_<

[LiL Reapur]

Str8 up my dude