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[Ravellion]

On my latest playthrough, I just noticed he was wrong/stupid all the time.
On finding Legion: "I've seen enough of these things on Eden Prime. Space it" (cash bounty from cerberus makes more sense than just "spacing it")
Thane: "I don't trust mercenaries." "He is doing this mission gratis, he might surprise you." "yeah, well, he might not"
After the collector ship, Miranda counsels that we should build the team. Jacob "We need the IFf sooner or later. Why wait?"
Duct mission "Sounds like a suicide mission. I volunteer."
And he doesn't want to wake up grunt either.

In every one of these cases, your success chance of the suicide mission would go down if you listen to his advice. Doing everything opposite of what Jacob says (waking Legion and Grunt, trusting Thane, don't send him through the ducts, waiting with the IFF) will simply lead to better results.

Modifié par Ravellion, 23 août 2013 - 12:05 .

[Clayless]

Ravellion wrote...

On my latest playthrough, I just noticed he was wrong/stupid all the time.
On finding Legion: "I've seen enough of these things on Eden Prime. Space it" (cash bounty from cerberus makes more sense than just "spacing it")
Thane: "I don't trust mercenaries." "He is doing this mission gratis, he might surprise you." "yeah, well, he might not"
After the collector ship, Miranda counsels that we should build the team. Jacob "We need the IFf sooner or later. Why wait?"
Duct mission "Sounds like a suicide mission. I volunteer."
And he doesn't want to wake up grunt either.

In every one of these cases, your success chance of the suicide mission would go down if you listen to his advice. Doing everything opposite of what Jacob says (waking Legion and Grunt, trusting Thane, don't send him through the ducts, waiting with the IFF) will simply lead to better results.

I'm pretty sure waiting with the IFF gets your crew killed.

[shepskisaac]

The puzzling thing is how Bioware didn't follow on any of the stuff in Jacob's backstory. There was the relationship with Miranda, defecting to Cerberus, his father, animosity towards Thane. Yet on every point the conversations were cut short "I'm totally over it, next topic". It's not even an issue of ME3 but ME2, lots of interesting stuff about him went nowhere in ME2. Still like him a lot but yeah, kinda shows they didn't know what to do with him despite the fact that they had tons of material already in his backstory to follow up and make lots of interesting developement

Modifié par IsaacShep, 23 août 2013 - 12:16 .

[Melbella]

With Jacob, I'm always left with the feeling that he thinks he's in the same class of badass as Shepard when he really isn't. Or, if he is, there's no evidence to prove it. Plus, talking to him in ME2 with femShep is just so painful I try to ignore him if at all possible. His comments after recruiting Thane and Tali also make me cringe....wish I could have told him to stuff it if he couldn't at least pretend to be nice.

[BattleCop88]

Br3ad wrote...

I don't like the way he's portrayed. He has the stereotypical black guy lines, he talks in a seriously stereotypical black guy way. He is the token black guy of Cerberus. And out of three black people with a face that we meet, two of them are dishonest? Really? "I guess I'm more like my father than I thought." 

QFT, but it was three. Maya Brooks wanted to kill the leader of the galactic war effort, and she wasn't even indoctrinated. Bioware must think Black people don't play videogames.

[BattleCop88]

Br3ad wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Most African-Americans speak normal English. Them being dark-skinned doesn't change this fact.

Jacob speaks like a stereotypical American.

I'm both black and American. He's steretyopical. 

Same here. However, I don't have many problems with his speech, I have every problem with how Bioware made him act.

[LiL Reapur]

Robosexual wrote...

Ravellion wrote...

On my latest playthrough, I just noticed he was wrong/stupid all the time.
On finding Legion: "I've seen enough of these things on Eden Prime. Space it" (cash bounty from cerberus makes more sense than just "spacing it")
Thane: "I don't trust mercenaries." "He is doing this mission gratis, he might surprise you." "yeah, well, he might not"
After the collector ship, Miranda counsels that we should build the team. Jacob "We need the IFf sooner or later. Why wait?"
Duct mission "Sounds like a suicide mission. I volunteer."
And he doesn't want to wake up grunt either.

In every one of these cases, your success chance of the suicide mission would go down if you listen to his advice. Doing everything opposite of what Jacob says (waking Legion and Grunt, trusting Thane, don't send him through the ducts, waiting with the IFF) will simply lead to better results.

I'm pretty sure waiting with the IFF gets your crew killed.

Also true....

[Clayless]

BattleCop88 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I don't like the way he's portrayed. He has the stereotypical black guy lines, he talks in a seriously stereotypical black guy way. He is the token black guy of Cerberus. And out of three black people with a face that we meet, two of them are dishonest? Really? "I guess I'm more like my father than I thought." 

QFT, but it was three. Maya Brooks wanted to kill the leader of the galactic war effort, and she wasn't even indoctrinated. Bioware must think Black people don't play videogames.

Your argument weakens when you use Maya (ignoring everyone else in Cerberus, including TIM) and ignore Anderson.

[grey_wind]

Jacob's a decent character. He's just unfortunately overshadowed by a ton of more interesting characters. It also doesn't help that BioWare seemed to have no clue how to write the "normal and grounded" party member, since they excel at doing everything but that when it comes to writing characters.

You can see in ME3 how they just gave up trying to do anything with his character. He has the lamest excuse not for joining you ( I need to protect a bunch of civilians who are already being guarded by Hackett's entire fleet), he accomplishes the least between ME2 and 3 of all your squadmates, the endpoint of his character journey is the least interesting of all your squadmates, and he's completely irrelevant in the mission centred around him (Brynn Cole is the character who the mission actually revolves around).
Hell, the devs seemed to go out of their way to sabotage his character as much as they could too. There was absolutely no need to have him cheat on FemShep when all it would take is changing two lines of dialogue to reaffirm their relationship.

The saddest part is that he had a backstory that could have been really interesting and served to flesh out the Alliance a lot more: he was a Corsair for the Alliance.
Conceptually, a badass pirate with his own ship and crew secretly sanctioned by the government for dirty work IN SPACE is awesome!
How the hell did it go so badly?

[MegaSovereign]

You meet a lot of dishonest people in Mass Effect.

What Jacob's father did was a minor offense compared to a lot of other characters.....

[LiL Reapur]

grey_wind wrote...

Jacob's a decent character. He's just unfortunately overshadowed by a ton of more interesting characters. It also doesn't help that BioWare seemed to have no clue how to write the "normal and grounded" party member, since they excel at doing everything but that when it comes to writing characters.

You can see in ME3 how they just gave up trying to do anything with his character. He has the lamest excuse not for joining you ( I need to protect a bunch of civilians who are already being guarded by Hackett's entire fleet), he accomplishes the least between ME2 and 3 of all your squadmates, the endpoint of his character journey is the least interesting of all your squadmates, and he's completely irrelevant in the mission centred around him (Brynn Cole is the character who the mission actually revolves around).
Hell, the devs seemed to go out of their way to sabotage his character as much as they could too. There was absolutely no need to have him cheat on FemShep when all it would take is changing two lines of dialogue to reaffirm their relationship.

The saddest part is that he had a backstory that could have been really interesting and served to flesh out the Alliance a lot more: he was a Corsair for the Alliance.
Conceptually, a badass pirate with his own ship and crew secretly sanctioned by the government for dirty work IN SPACE is awesome!
How the hell did it go so badly?

Laziness,or bad writing i can't really tell-_-

[GreyLycanTrope]

grey_wind wrote...

Jacob's a decent character. He's just unfortunately overshadowed by a ton of more interesting characters. It also doesn't help that BioWare seemed to have no clue how to write the "normal and grounded" party member, since they excel at doing everything but that when it comes to writing characters.

You can see in ME3 how they just gave up trying to do anything with his character. He has the lamest excuse not for joining you ( I need to protect a bunch of civilians who are already being guarded by Hackett's entire fleet), he accomplishes the least between ME2 and 3 of all your squadmates, the endpoint of his character journey is the least interesting of all your squadmates, and he's completely irrelevant in the mission centred around him (Brynn Cole is the character who the mission actually revolves around).
Hell, the devs seemed to go out of their way to sabotage his character as much as they could too. There was absolutely no need to have him cheat on FemShep when all it would take is changing two lines of dialogue to reaffirm their relationship.

The saddest part is that he had a backstory that could have been really interesting and served to flesh out the Alliance a lot more: he was a Corsair for the Alliance.
Conceptually, a badass pirate with his own ship and crew secretly sanctioned by the government for dirty work IN SPACE is awesome!
How the hell did it go so badly?

This right here.

[Clayless]

grey_wind wrote...

-Snip-

Indeed. Pretty much everything about him makes for an interesting character, heck he's even charming, they just never fleshed out anything and deliberately made him somewhat dishonest with Cole.

[Br3admax]

BattleCop88 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I don't like the way he's portrayed. He has the stereotypical black guy lines, he talks in a seriously stereotypical black guy way. He is the token black guy of Cerberus. And out of three black people with a face that we meet, two of them are dishonest? Really? "I guess I'm more like my father than I thought." 

QFT, but it was three. Maya Brooks wanted to kill the leader of the galactic war effort, and she wasn't even indoctrinated. Bioware must think Black people don't play videogames.

"Sneaking into the captain's quarters. Heavy risk, but the prize."
youtu.be/7gGShiM1Exc

Modifié par Br3ad, 23 août 2013 - 02:36 .

[Steelcan]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Jacob is one of those characters you dislike at first but end up loving ironically because he's so unintentionally hilarious. Like Fenris in DA2.

Did you know he was a slave who hates magic?  Its all because he was enslaved to a Tevineter Magister.  Who was powerful mage who had slaves and was a mage. 

[Aarch_Aangel]

Robosexual wrote...

Ravellion wrote...

On my latest playthrough, I just noticed he was wrong/stupid all the time.
On finding Legion: "I've seen enough of these things on Eden Prime. Space it" (cash bounty from cerberus makes more sense than just "spacing it")
Thane: "I don't trust mercenaries." "He is doing this mission gratis, he might surprise you." "yeah, well, he might not"
After the collector ship, Miranda counsels that we should build the team. Jacob "We need the IFf sooner or later. Why wait?"
Duct mission "Sounds like a suicide mission. I volunteer."
And he doesn't want to wake up grunt either.

In every one of these cases, your success chance of the suicide mission would go down if you listen to his advice. Doing everything opposite of what Jacob says (waking Legion and Grunt, trusting Thane, don't send him through the ducts, waiting with the IFF) will simply lead to better results.

I'm pretty sure waiting with the IFF gets your crew killed.

It's waiting while you already have it acquired and installed. You're good if you haven't gotten it yet.

[LiL Reapur]

Br3ad wrote...

"Sneaking into the captain's quarters. Heavy risk, but the prize."
youtu.be/7gGShiM1Exc

They don't know about the priiiiizzzzeeeee;)

[Sir DeLoria]

"Your true love is the Normandy."
"What? Hell no, I'm retiring to Rannoch as soon as this stupid war is over!"

Yeah, Jacob is a terribly lame character. Even Vega is more interesting. Don't hate on Kaidan, I really like him actually.

Oh and: "Throoowwiinn maaah barrriieeerr!!"

[LiL Reapur]

Necanor wrote...

"Your true love is the Normandy."
"What? Hell no, I'm retiring to Rannoch as soon as this stupid war is over!"

Yeah, Jacob is a terribly lame character. Even Vega is more interesting. Don't hate on Kaidan, I really like him actually.

Oh and: "Throoowwiinn maaah barrriieeerr!!"

You just haven't got the prize yet

[Sir DeLoria]

LiL Reapur wrote...

Necanor wrote...

"Your true love is the Normandy."
"What? Hell no, I'm retiring to Rannoch as soon as this stupid war is over!"

Yeah, Jacob is a terribly lame character. Even Vega is more interesting. Don't hate on Kaidan, I really like him actually.

Oh and: "Throoowwiinn maaah barrriieeerr!!"

You just haven't got the prize yet

Don't think I want it:?

[LiL Reapur]

Necanor wrote...

LiL Reapur wrote...

Necanor wrote...

"Your true love is the Normandy."
"What? Hell no, I'm retiring to Rannoch as soon as this stupid war is over!"

Yeah, Jacob is a terribly lame character. Even Vega is more interesting. Don't hate on Kaidan, I really like him actually.

Oh and: "Throoowwiinn maaah barrriieeerr!!"

You just haven't got the prize yet

Don't think I want it:?

Lol you couldn't handle it. Haha i'm just joking my tali loving friend.