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[The Night Mammoth]

So that's where Big McLargehuge came from. Thank you.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 24 août 2013 - 02:15 .

[Xilizhra]

Slab Bulkhead is my other favorite, apart from Big Mclargehuge.

[Nashtalia]

it sounds like he says "ride" when you tell him to go to a certain cover spot/spot. but given he says "right". and i am not making a stereotypical afrian-american assumption of some sort of this. i am merely speaking of my own opinion

Modifié par Nashtalia, 24 août 2013 - 02:20 .

[The Night Mammoth]

I like Rib Steakface. That's very James.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

David7204 wrote...

Here are some reasons why this is a good idea.

First of all, is removes discrepancies with Liara. I would say she's the most important squadmate of the series, so she needs to be established solidly as a character. Having her on the squad ASAP makes sure that happens. Makes sure she was present for the events of ME 1. Allows her to talk about ME 1 in the sequels without the developers having to deal with players who didn't recruit her until the end. Of course, it also makes sure the player has plenty of opportunity to romance her and doesn't accidently miss a love interest or content with Benezia.

Secondly, the narrative flow is much better.

Going from Feros to Virmire to Noveria is by far the best introduction to indoctrination. It flows much better. You have Shiala hint at it on Feros without really revealing much. Then the salarians talk about it more on Virmire and see it as a much more serious threat. Then finally, Benezia on Noveria flat-out revealing it's exact details and how it works.

The main plotline towards the Conduit is also much better. With Noveria last, the player finds out what they need and then finds out where and how to get it. That's much better then the player knowing where they need to do but not knowing what they need in the first place.

Also, I very much like the flow of starting out on an abandoned mining site, then moving to a small colony, then moving to a settlement with a little more infrastruture, then moving to the very developed Noveria. The surroundings mirror the seriousness and intensity of the conflict. The setting consistantly 'moves up' as the conflict 'moves up.'

Lastly, trimming unnecessary choices and unimpactful choices allows richer options to be developed. In this case, dialogue. As it as now, if the player chooses randomly, there's only a 1 in 6 chance of being on Noveria after Virmire. So there's much less reason to put immersive dialogue in referencing the death of Kaidan and Ashley. Now it's 100%, and it becomes much more practical to put such dialogue in. In addition, it becomes enormously easier to have about conversations with previous characters and referencing known information. Shepard could have entire conversations based on what the player learned in previous missions instead of just a quip.

I...actually really like this idea. Because let's be honest here: proper pacing and structure are far more important than "choice." I was never fond of the "pick the missions in the order of your choosing" setup in ME and ME2, because they slowed things down and made the narrative just a little bit less cohesive.

To the topic at hand, I was always somewhat fond of Jacob. He served as the bastion of normality in a sea of abnormality; he was a relatable everyman. Unfortunately, he never developed enough to allow him to keep up with the rest of ME2's extraordinary squad.

[iOnlySignIn]

Xilizhra wrote...

Slab Bulkhead is my other favorite, apart from Big Mclargehuge.

At least he has a sense of humor. Jacob doesn't.

[KaiserShep]

Hadeedak wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I think if I ever play a Femshep, I'd romance Liara (not out of lesbian fantasy.. it just sounds more fulfilling).

If you want fufilling, it's Garrus, TBH. Unlike Liara, he never forgets you two are an item. 

But sticking to one romance (and gender) is for squares.

And Jacob rocks. He's supersweet (in ME2). And not completely bonkers. Which is nice.

Technically, neither does Liara, since she greets you affectionately in ME2, unlike Kaidan or Ashley, who basically gives you the proverbial finger on Horizon after saving his/her sorry. I'd say that either are pretty up there. As for switching romances, I find it's better for broShep, since going from Ashley to Miranda (or Tali) seems fairly natural in his story.

Modifié par BioWareMod01, 24 août 2013 - 02:39 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The problem with Liara is that she got stuck with multiple writers in ME3. Walters did the opening scenes, and had her do the "shall we pick up where we left off" question if you did LotSB and reconnected there. Then after that someone else took over and you get "friend-zoned" until you demand "more than just friends" after the coup attempt -- for the new people. Walters never wrote any Liara content again after the first part.

Jacob is nice in ME2. He should, however, be sent through the vents since he volunteers to prevent him from becoming the anti-Jacob in ME3.

[LiL Reapur]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote....

Jacob is nice in ME2. He should, however, be sent through the vents since he volunteers to prevent him from becoming the anti-Jacob in ME3.

Well damn.........
If thats how you feel.......

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

LiL Reapur wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote....

Jacob is nice in ME2. He should, however, be sent through the vents since he volunteers to prevent him from becoming the anti-Jacob in ME3.

Well damn.........
If thats how you feel.......

I didn't write him for ME3. If I did I would have either kept him faithful or had Miranda cheat on Sheploo just to keep things fair.

[Omega Torsk]

LiL Reapur wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote....

Jacob is nice in ME2. He should, however, be sent through the vents since he volunteers to prevent him from becoming the anti-Jacob in ME3.

Well damn.........
If thats how you feel.......

Well, it's said that you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

I shook it up a little. Made it more interesting (and realistic) on a recent playthrough. I put Miri on barrier duty and brought Tali and Jacob...

His sacrifice wasn't in vain. I spilled some drinks on the Citadel in his honor.

[CynicalShep]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

LiL Reapur wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote....

Jacob is nice in ME2. He should, however, be sent through the vents since he volunteers to prevent him from becoming the anti-Jacob in ME3.

Well damn.........
If thats how you feel.......

I didn't write him for ME3. If I did I would have either kept him faithful or had Miranda cheat on Sheploo just to keep things fair.

Why have anyone cheat on the "hero"? And if you're hellbent on making one LI unfaithful you absolutely have to pick the black guy who wanted to "spill drinks on the Citadel" and make him knock up a scientist, lol
Also related - I heard Liara had something going with a drell dude.

[David7204]

Because it demonstrates that the characters aren't hopelessly attached and dependent on Shepard. That they can function without her and aren't 'Shepard-sexual.' Which is something that fans supposedly want.

Modifié par David7204, 24 août 2013 - 06:11 .

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Because it demonstrates that the characters aren't hopelessly attached and dependent on Shepard. That they can function without her and aren't 'Shepard-sexual.' Which is something that fans supposedly want.

Umm, no fans wanted characters to be competent and not depend on Shepard

That doesn't mean have LI randomly cheat on your PC,

[CynicalShep]

David7204 wrote...

Because it demonstrates that the characters aren't hopelessly attached and dependent on Shepard. That they can function without her and aren't 'Shepard-sexual.' Which is something that fans supposedly want.

I could swear I saw this exact post a few days ago on a different thread. And what does "hopelessly attached" have to do with being in a relationship? Many fans (me included) didn't want every NPC in the MEU drooling over Shepard, not their LIs knocking up other women. Maybe I just misunderstood.

Modifié par CynicalShep, 24 août 2013 - 06:36 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

CynicalShep wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

LiL Reapur wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote....

Jacob is nice in ME2. He should, however, be sent through the vents since he volunteers to prevent him from becoming the anti-Jacob in ME3.

Well damn.........
If thats how you feel.......

I didn't write him for ME3. If I did I would have either kept him faithful or had Miranda cheat on Sheploo just to keep things fair.

Why have anyone cheat on the "hero"? And if you're hellbent on making one LI unfaithful you absolutely have to pick the black guy who wanted to "spill drinks on the Citadel" and make him knock up a scientist, lol
Also related - I heard Liara had something going with a drell dude.

Yeah, I heard about that drell dude.

But Jacob? Have Jacob cheat on femShep? Whoever at BW thought up that story line without the corresponding Miranda cheats on Sheploo needed to have their head examined. I wanted to smack them around for that one. I'll say it. It had to be the black guy who cheated. WTF? And femShep has two Thane dies and Jacob cheats? Who wrote that crap? They throw Jacob at us then make him cheat. They throw Miranda at the guys, with dat azz, why not have her cheat, too? Let the guys feel the sting. Oh but the rage on the forums in addition to the ending rage if they did that! However since only 15% played femShep, guess what? It didn't matter! Jacob could cheat! We in the 15% don't count.

[CynicalShep]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Yeah, I heard about that drell dude.

But Jacob? Have Jacob cheat on femShep? Whoever at BW thought up that story line without the corresponding Miranda cheats on Sheploo needed to have their head examined. I wanted to smack them around for that one. I'll say it. It had to be the black guy who cheated. WTF? And femShep has two Thane dies and Jacob cheats? Who wrote that crap? They throw Jacob at us then make him cheat. They throw Miranda at the guys, with dat azz, why not have her cheat, too? Let the guys feel the sting. Oh but the rage on the forums in addition to the ending rage if they did that! However since only 15% played femShep, guess what? It didn't matter! Jacob could cheat! We in the 15% don't count.

Well, apparently majority > minority. The ruthless calculus of the gaming industry. 
That being said - I agree. I could never push myself to play a femShep because I can't identify with her (and I rather like Hale) but I wouldn't enjoy being in your position. That being said - there are a couple scenarios in which Miranda can die in ME3 (even if romanced, I believe).

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

See I can identify with femShep because I'm a woman.

You have to especially miss the one visit to the Spectre Armory where you tell her about Kai Leng. And you get mad at her when she tells you about the control chip which she already told you about in ME2 which she tells you again about in case you're a new player which you wouldn't be romancing her because you hadn't played ME2 because the writers were feebleminded (the r word is forbidden).

[CynicalShep]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

See I can identify with femShep because I'm a woman.

You have to especially miss the one visit to the Spectre Armory where you tell her about Kai Leng. And you get mad at her when she tells you about the control chip which she already told you about in ME2 which she tells you again about in case you're a new player which you wouldn't be romancing her because you hadn't played ME2 because the writers were feebleminded (the r word is forbidden).

If you don't pass the persuasion check with Henry and refuse to shoot him Miranda takes the matters in her hand (no pun intended) and gets shot for her trouble. 

Modifié par CynicalShep, 24 août 2013 - 07:14 .

[nos_astra]

Omega Torsk wrote...
Anyway, as I was saying before this thread was hijacked by yet another David debate ™, Jacob's character never seemed to rub me the right way. Throughout the game, he's always hesistant to open up and when he does, it is very vanilla. He never seems to form an attachment towards Shepard, whether romanced or not. He just seems to be there for the sake of being the polar opposite of Miranda... also, he loved to add his commentary (intentionally mocking Tali and being rude to Thane from the get-go didn't really help my feelings on his character, either).

It really wasn't until 3 that I decided I really didn't like him. His treatment of romanced femshep aside, he seems to hold himself to this unreachable standard. His entire dialogue on Arrae was aking to, "Look at me, Sheaprd! I'm doing such important work! And as a side note, I'm bangin' the lead scientist because I want to have a meaningful relationship and start a family!" Shepard is like, "Yeah, I get that, too!" Jacob retorts, "NO SHUPURD! Teh Normanded is ur true love! Only I can have meaning as deep as this!"

When you put it that way Jacob seems like someone who could have been a better character than most of the characters in ME. Which is not hard, of course.

There is nothing that says a character has to be politically correct, likeable or the protagonist's friend.

Jacob's problem is that he has no purpose in the story and way too much screentime for his complete lack of relevance. He's not the only one who's irrelevant but there are little to no mitigating factors. Why is he with Cerberus again? What's his goal? Why does he put up with their methods? Would he like to leave?

If he was really supposed to be an inverted Miranda he should have been less cold and more approachable initially and ended up siding with Cerberus.

I really didn't need a another generic character with daddy issues who just wanted to start a family at the worst time possible and spouts badly substantiated crap. Kaidan and Ashley did a much better job at explaining certain aspects of the world (not that any of this was really used because humans became speshul and biotics became badass magical superpowers that everyone and their dog had).

So ... yeah, Jacob is really a bland character. One of the worst from a pool of mediocrity.

Modifié par klarabella, 24 août 2013 - 03:06 .

[BronzTrooper]

I always thought that Jacob was... ok. Not the best character, but definitely not the worst. Personally, I think that all the Jacob hate originates from when everyone who romanced him in ME2 found out that he leaves FemShep in ME3. I think that Jacob's romance in ME3 could have been pretty good if BW didn't decide to go the route they did.

[Br3admax]

The Jacobmancers are long gone. That has nothing to do with it. He really just is that boring and useless. He has incendiary ammo going for him and that's it. The hypocrisy he carries is also stupid.Then if you really want to talk about LIs, Jacob is practically forced onto Shepard, no matter the gender, it's just that Femshep actually can romance him. Then he betrays Shepard because she turns herself into the Alliance for killing a a few hundred thousand people. No big deal. And really I'm fine with that. I don't like Jacob and don't see why anyone would. he tries to hard to be cool and get himself killed. But for the Jacobmancers, different. They spent time, no matter how little, romancing a character not expecting to be slapped in the face by BioWare. I bet it's the 30 second write off that angers the Jacobmancers the most, "He's still in love with you, but I'll make it up to you for us, we'll name the kid after you. Yeah, that'll work."

Yeah, that's great. I'm not a woman, but I'm sure that if I heard that and I were one, I would go ballistic.