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[grey_wind]

David7204 wrote...

Because it demonstrates that the characters aren't hopelessly attached and dependent on Shepard. That they can function without her and aren't 'Shepard-sexual.' Which is something that fans supposedly want.

If you want to have a character cheat on Shepard and still be sympathetic on some level, it should have been Jack or the VS.

The VS has the perfectly legitimate and understandable excuse that they moved on with their lives after Shepard died and formed new intimate relationships.

With Jack, the lack of such a personal relationship and attachment before in her life could not only cause her to be confused and not know what is actually expected of her in such a relationship, but the very thought of such a unique attachment could cause her to be terrified and actively attempt to sabotage the relationship considering she's only used to pushing people away and being distant.

Hell, it even creates an interesting dillemma for Jackmancers; did she cheat on Shepard because she didn't care for him, or because she did care for him but was afraid that getting close in such a manner was dangerous and tried to force the relationship apart in the most dramatic manner she knew how?

Though before I'm torn apart by Jackmancers, I'm just going to conclude by saying that none of the characters should have cheated on Shepard.

[LiL Reapur]

grey_wind wrote...

Though before I'm torn apart by Jackmancers, I'm just going to conclude by saying that none of the characters should have cheated on Shepard.

True and very wise of you Grey Wind..........

[LiL Reapur]

StreetMagic wrote...

LiL Reapur wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Though before I'm torn apart by Jackmancers, I'm just going to conclude by saying that none of the characters should have cheated on Shepard.

True and very wise of you Grey Wind..........

To be fair, Jack does express plenty of fears about the relationship (at least she did compared to Liara/Ash/Miranda). Don't know anything about the Jacob storyarc though. She thinks they'll screw each other up. Thing is, you have to be OK with that possibility. Most of Shepard's replies are funny. "Here's hoping." "So what? Won't it be fun in the meantime?" The whole thing is kind of based on taking it a day at a time, and getting over fear of the unknown. They'd just be repeating themselves if they made her go through fear again.

Yeah you do make a good point magic i'll back off lol

[Nightwriter]

David7204 wrote...

You know, I think some people have might have missed an important clue.

You ever notice how the most 'active' squadmates are the most popular?

Liara becomes Shadow Broker, Garrus becomes a vigilante, Tali is an admiral and leading missions in ME 2.

Jacob doesn't do anything like that at all. At look at that. Probably the least popular squadmate.

They're not popular because they're given more attention. They're given more attention because they're popular.

[SilentK]

Br3ad wrote...

The Jacobmancers are long gone. That has nothing to do with it. He really just is that boring and useless. He has incendiary ammo going for him and that's it. The hypocrisy he carries is also stupid.Then if you really want to talk about LIs, Jacob is practically forced onto Shepard, no matter the gender, it's just that Femshep actually can romance him. Then he betrays Shepard because she turns herself into the Alliance for killing a a few hundred thousand people. No big deal. And really I'm fine with that. I don't like Jacob and don't see why anyone would. he tries to hard to be cool and get himself killed. But for the Jacobmancers, different. They spent time, no matter how little, romancing a character not expecting to be slapped in the face by BioWare. I bet it's the 30 second write off that angers the Jacobmancers the most, "He's still in love with you, but I'll make it up to you for us, we'll name the kid after you. Yeah, that'll work."

Yeah, that's great. I'm not a woman, but I'm sure that if I heard that and I were one, I would go ballistic.

Ha ha, I forgot about the "My new girl that I cheated on you with wants to name our unborn baby after you"-deal. That did sting quite a bit.

For me I believe it's some lingering resentment that FemShep has Cheater and DeadMan while BroShep has nothing going wrong so I am not really neutral in the question. It was interesting to play out the scenario with a love that treats your PC badly, it was not a case of pick your character to boink befor the last mission. For me the entire thing had been much better if there had been perhaps one more male LI in the galaxy and if they had taken better care with FemShep. She should never beg for sex or act in such a strange way.

Modifié par SilentK, 25 août 2013 - 08:47 .

[Bionuts]

Lol Jack did cheat on Shepard. However, it was offscreen.

[Br3admax]

That was a joke.

[Bionuts]

J. Reezy wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Lol Jack did cheat on Shepard. However, it was offscreen.

Source?

Common sense, as well as personal presumptions.

Think about it. Shepard locked up for almost a year, doesn't even know that Jack is a teacher, etc. In a college with many young men and women, etc.

[Br3admax]

It's been six months, well under a year. In fact, that's half. Jack herself also calls the students here kids. And those young men and women are teeenagers. There is nothing right about anything just said.

[Bionuts]

Br3ad wrote...

It's been six months, well under a year. In fact, that's half. Jack herself also calls the students here kids. And those young men and women are teeenagers. There is nothing right about anything just said.

Her kids? I know a story or 2...

[Br3admax]

Yeah, just stop there.

[ruggly]

He's one of those characters that is just...there. Nothing makes him interesting to me, and I don't really like how flirty they made femshep towards him. Like they want you to be interested in him by doing that, but...I can't.

[LiL Reapur]

Bionuts wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

It's been six months, well under a year. In fact, that's half. Jack herself also calls the students here kids. And those young men and women are teeenagers. There is nothing right about anything just said.

Her kids? I know a story or 2...

No.............

@ Ruggly He is just a extra body on the normandy i agree with you but he's not as crazy as the other crew members at least he's one of the few characters that i would actually drink with at a bar which is saying alot.....

I respect his personality....

Modifié par LiL Reapur, 25 août 2013 - 03:24 .

[ruggly]

But I like the crazy...

[Br3admax]

The whole point of the mission was to get the best of the best not the average joe. The Normandy is filled with average joes. And there is nothing normal about Jacob the Black Dude. "I'm biotic, I do a bajillion sit ups and crunches, I'm as cool as the other side of the pillow and twice as smooth. Be my friend. I know trust is important. We need to trust each other and stuff. DAD IS BAD!!! I'M A BLACK GUY WITH FATHER ISSUES!!!!!" That is the sum of every Jacob conversation.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

grey_wind wrote...

With Jack, the lack of such a personal relationship and attachment before in her life could not only cause her to be confused and not know what is actually expected of her in such a relationship, but the very thought of such a unique attachment could cause her to be terrified and actively attempt to sabotage the relationship considering she's only used to pushing people away and being distant.

Hell, it even creates an interesting dillemma for Jackmancers; did she cheat on Shepard because she didn't care for him, or because she did care for him but was afraid that getting close in such a manner was dangerous and tried to force the relationship apart in the most dramatic manner she knew how?

Though before I'm torn apart by Jackmancers, I'm just going to conclude by saying that none of the characters should have cheated on Shepard.

Jackmancer here.

I'm not bothered by Shepard's LI leaving him/her as such. I don't think Jacob was "wrong" to leave Femshep, and by extension, I would not be upset if Jack moved on as well. After all, it was Shepard who left them, not the other way around. However, that should be the reason why the LI moves on, not some ridiculous logic of a "preemptive strike" ... LOL!

[Han Shot First]

grey_wind wrote...


If you want to have a character cheat on Shepard and still be sympathetic on some level, it should have been Jack or the VS.

The VS has the perfectly legitimate and understandable excuse that they moved on with their lives after Shepard died and formed new intimate relationships.

I think your scenario with Jack was interesting and could have worked. It certainly makes sense.

I always thought it was a bit odd that Ashley and *maybe* Liara didn't date other people in the two years that Shepard was gone. After all he was dead, and Ashley had no reason whatsoever to expect that Shepard would return. While Liara had some knowledge of the Lazarus Project, it was still a ridiculous long shot that was as likely to fail as succeed. It was an experimental procedure that had never been successfully carried out before. And then of course there was the question of whether any person brought back from the dead would even be the same person, or whether their old memories and identity would be lost.

What are the chances that two attractive women, who would have no shortage of potential suitors, would be single for two years?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

However, that should be the reason why the LI moves on, not some ridiculous logic of a "preemptive strike" ... LOL!

(next post)

Han Shot First wrote...

I think your scenario with Jack was interesting and could have worked. It certainly makes sense.

Well... this is awkward.

Really though, how does it make any sense? It's basically saying: "Yo dawg, I was afraid this relationship would hurt... so I hurt the relationship to make sure it wouldn't hurt." Right, because purposely trying to ****** off your lover is a great way to spare yourself from pain (>.<). Oh, and she's "confused and afraid" from the relationship (never mind the fact relationships are not new to her... does "Murtock" ring a bell?) so she pushes people away because that's just what she does... that part was long settled in ME2. Jack tries to push Shepard away. It didn't work then. It won't work later.

Jack may be emotionally vulnerable, but she isn't unstable... or stupid.

[LiL Reapur]

StreetMagic wrote...

If there was going to be new conflict with Jack, I'd have preferred them not rehashing the same old problem she already got over. Maybe something revolving her students instead. In a twist of irony, she could forever hold it against you if you chose the Renegade route and had the kids aggressively enter the war (instead of focusing on mods and barriers). Also it's a reason to get more into why she's gone more Paragade.

How did this topic go from jacob to my Waifu?

[Oni Changas]

Jacob could've been cooler had he had a personal flaw of some sort. Kaidan's constantly called bland, but he's got BaAT and his reaction to Sanctuary is passionately enraged (almost scary, coming from him).

Jacob's always overly cool-headed, and shows no extreme emotions outside of confronting Ronald. He ought to show off his biotic powers a bit more, and Gellix was a perfect time to do so (rather than getting shot like a n00b).

[BattleCop88]

Robosexual wrote...

BattleCop88 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I don't like the way he's portrayed. He has the stereotypical black guy lines, he talks in a seriously stereotypical black guy way. He is the token black guy of Cerberus. And out of three black people with a face that we meet, two of them are dishonest? Really? "I guess I'm more like my father than I thought." 

QFT, but it was three. Maya Brooks wanted to kill the leader of the galactic war effort, and she wasn't even indoctrinated. Bioware must think Black people don't play videogames.

Your argument weakens when you use Maya (ignoring everyone else in Cerberus, including TIM) and ignore Anderson.

I was only talking about untrustworthy Black characters. What I meant was three out of four. I must admit though, whenever Anderson says he's from London, I wish there was a paragon interrupt to make a joke about him and his daughter living in Atlanta.

Modifié par BattleCop88, 27 août 2013 - 02:53 .

[KaiserShep]

This race issue is ridiculous nonsense. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 27 août 2013 - 03:03 .