LiL Reapur wrote...
Triple Nope. Why would you even care if anyone cheats, the game is done with DLC. No new content. It makes no sense.....
That's why I said it was an extreme example. But are you going to tell me, in all honesty, that if you saw someone kill someone else (cold blood/broad daylight) you would really want to report that? Whoever they are obviously didn't care about that persons life and they sure as sh*t won't care about yours. I would also stand by what I said before about context. You don't know what's happening there. That could be a justified retaliatory response for a past transgression. Ultimately, in any case, I would soundly classify that as a "not worth it;walk away" situation.cato_84 wrote...
Akire wrote...
I agree with the point you are trying to make, but I don't think people ignoring cheaters in an online game means those same people would ignore rape or attempted murder. I sure hope they wouldn't anyway.
"I would prefer even to fail with honor than win by cheating." -Sophocles
I agree with you about cheating in a video game being essentially unimportant. However, if you read Chrome Tater Tot's last post he actually does write that he would ignore a murder, that's the only reason I made the comparison to rape or attempted murder -Chrome tater tot wrote...
A more extreme sense would be "Holy **** those guys just shot that dude!
I better tell the cops ASAP!" You have no idea what the context is for
their actions. Next thing you know the purple monkey gang (or whoever
the hell) finds out you ratted them out to the cops and they decide you
don't need your legs anymore. Worse they decide your mother's schedule
is too open and she needs something like her kids funeral preparations
to fill it up. Worse still they decide you spent too much time with your
mother as it is and you need to be planning her funeral.
You just don't know; It isn't your business; It's not worth it; Walk away.
I wasn't trying to flash my manifest at people, but I assumed people would accuse me of being a cheater if I defended not reporting them and that was the best evidence that I'm not.Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout wrote...
Chrome tater tot wrote...
I'm flabbergasted by all the indignation that gets posted on BSN regarding cheating. Where I'm from snitches are lucky if they end up with stitches; We were always taught to walk away when it wasn't our business.
And before someone throws their sanctimony at me with something like "obvious cheater is obvious" or some other asinine accusations I would advise they look at my N7rating:Ultra Rare weapon ratio; It's ****.
Nobody cares about your manifesto. But I commend you from refraining to ruin the game by cheating/glitching.
But your stance on "snitches" is just ludicrous. Glitchers in private lobbies? Fine by me. Do what you want.
But how can you say that it isn´t our business when we enter a public lobby and get hosed by someone cheating/glitching? Do you beat random people up on the streets and tell them they should´ve just backed up/stood at home, becuase they have no business on your street? <_<
Chrome tater tot wrote...
That's why I said it was an extreme example. But are you going to tell me, in all honesty, that if you saw someone kill someone else (cold blood/broad daylight) you would really want to report that? Whoever they are obviously didn't care about that persons life and they sure as sh*t won't care about yours. I would also stand by what I said before about context. You don't know what's happening there. That could be a justified retaliatory response for a past transgression. Ultimately, in any case, I would soundly classify that as a "not worth it;walk away" situation.
Back on topic, however, reporting someone for "cheating" in a strictly co-op game is so trivial I wouldn't even think it would be worth the effort. The only reason you would even want to in the first place is to toot your own halo in proudful self-satisfaction. What goes around comes around 99% of the time anyway and odds are they'll get themselves into trouble (ban, xp reset, etc.) without you snitching.
That mentality is why the world is **** now. A few bad people do not ruin the world unless all the "good" ones allow it to be done. Some people wrap up their cowardice in a package pretty enough for their ego to accept, I guess.Chrome tater tot wrote...
That's why I said it was an extreme example. But are you going to tell me, in all honesty, that if you saw someone kill someone else (cold blood/broad daylight) you would really want to report that? Whoever they are obviously didn't care about that persons life and they sure as sh*t won't care about yours. I would also stand by what I said before about context. You don't know what's happening there. That could be a justified retaliatory response for a past transgression. Ultimately, in any case, I would soundly classify that as a "not worth it;walk away" situation.
Back on topic, however, reporting someone for "cheating" in a strictly co-op game is so trivial I wouldn't even think it would be worth the effort. The only reason you would even want to in the first place is to toot your own halo in proudful self-satisfaction. What goes around comes around 99% of the time anyway and odds are they'll get themselves into trouble (ban, xp reset, etc.) without you snitching.
k1ngl1ves wrote...
Working as Annomander intended.
Chrome tater tot wrote...
That's why I said it was an extreme example. But are you going to tell me, in all honesty, that if you saw someone kill someone else (cold blood/broad daylight) you would really want to report that? Whoever they are obviously didn't care about that persons life and they sure as sh*t won't care about yours. I would also stand by what I said before about context. You don't know what's happening there. That could be a justified retaliatory response for a past transgression. Ultimately, in any case, I would soundly classify that as a "not worth it;walk away" situation.
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NuclearTech76 wrote...
That mentality is why the world is **** now. A few bad people do not ruin the world unless all the "good" ones allow it to be done. Some people wrap up their cowardice in a package pretty enough for their ego to accept, I guess.Chrome tater tot wrote...
That's why I said it was an extreme example. But are you going to tell me, in all honesty, that if you saw someone kill someone else (cold blood/broad daylight) you would really want to report that? Whoever they are obviously didn't care about that persons life and they sure as sh*t won't care about yours. I would also stand by what I said before about context. You don't know what's happening there. That could be a justified retaliatory response for a past transgression. Ultimately, in any case, I would soundly classify that as a "not worth it;walk away" situation.
Back on topic, however, reporting someone for "cheating" in a strictly co-op game is so trivial I wouldn't even think it would be worth the effort. The only reason you would even want to in the first place is to toot your own halo in proudful self-satisfaction. What goes around comes around 99% of the time anyway and odds are they'll get themselves into trouble (ban, xp reset, etc.) without you snitching.
Modifié par Ghostknife72, 23 août 2013 - 06:38 .
Guest_Ghostknife72_*
Ghostknife72 wrote...
Whoa....So-Crates-Tech76.
Carlina wrote...
Alijah Green wrote...
that would mean reporting the majority of BSN members and all PC players
Not all PC player's, some of us do have the skills and experience and can play without resorting to cheap tactics.
NuclearTech76 wrote...
That mentality is why the world is **** now. A few bad people do not ruin the world unless all the "good" ones allow it to be done. Some people wrap up their cowardice in a package pretty enough for their ego to accept, I guess.Chrome tater tot wrote...
That's why I said it was an extreme example. But are you going to tell me, in all honesty, that if you saw someone kill someone else (cold blood/broad daylight) you would really want to report that? Whoever they are obviously didn't care about that persons life and they sure as sh*t won't care about yours. I would also stand by what I said before about context. You don't know what's happening there. That could be a justified retaliatory response for a past transgression. Ultimately, in any case, I would soundly classify that as a "not worth it;walk away" situation.
Back on topic, however, reporting someone for "cheating" in a strictly co-op game is so trivial I wouldn't even think it would be worth the effort. The only reason you would even want to in the first place is to toot your own halo in proudful self-satisfaction. What goes around comes around 99% of the time anyway and odds are they'll get themselves into trouble (ban, xp reset, etc.) without you snitching.
Your faith in the legal system leads me to believe you've never been tangled up in it. It's a nice thought, but to think the authorities handle every situation accurately, succinctly, and fairly is simply naive. The legal system hurts much more than it helps, at least in most of the united states that is (I can't speak for countries I don't have any experience in).ComradeShepard7 wrote...
If you actually witness someo killing someone else or any other illegal activity you damn well better report it but standing around gawking while you call the cops is a really stupid thing to do as far as your personal safety is concerned.
As far as the context, it doesn't matter what so ever. The legal system is set up to be able to deal with cases of self defense and clear someone of wrong doing if it was justified. If you are actually involved in a case of self defense it is in your best legal interests to report the incident to authorities so that you can be cleared of any wrong doing. Failing to report it just makes it look like a case of murder / attempted murder.
And if it is a case of "retaliation for a past transgression" guess what, "an eye for an eye" has no place in modern society. If yo are a vicim of some transgression, you report the event to the authorities and the legal system sorts it out. Taking the matter into your own hands puts you on the wrong side of the law. The only reasons I see for people doing that are that they are either ignorant of the legal system or they would get busted for illegal activity themselves if they went to the authorities.
Alien Number Six wrote...
And that is exactly what it is. That is why neighborhood get like that. No one has the guts to stand up for what is right. Everyone wants to say it's not their problem until it's their mom getting raped and murdered. Then they wish someone would have stopped and tried to help or call the police. I report all the fu+cked up sh+it that happens in my neighborhood. I also spent three years in Iraq own a 45. and know how to make bombs. Go ahead and fu+ck with me. Good luck opening up your mail box, your front door, your back door or starting you car
It's the other way around. The few good people cannot save the world unless all the bad ones allow it to be done.NuclearTech76 wrote...
That mentality is why the world is **** now. A few bad people do not ruin the world unless all the "good" ones allow it to be done. Some people wrap up their cowardice in a package pretty enough for their ego to accept, I guess.Chrome tater tot wrote...
That's why I said it was an extreme example. But are you going to tell me, in all honesty, that if you saw someone kill someone else (cold blood/broad daylight) you would really want to report that? Whoever they are obviously didn't care about that persons life and they sure as sh*t won't care about yours. I would also stand by what I said before about context. You don't know what's happening there. That could be a justified retaliatory response for a past transgression. Ultimately, in any case, I would soundly classify that as a "not worth it;walk away" situation.
Back on topic, however, reporting someone for "cheating" in a strictly co-op game is so trivial I wouldn't even think it would be worth the effort. The only reason you would even want to in the first place is to toot your own halo in proudful self-satisfaction. What goes around comes around 99% of the time anyway and odds are they'll get themselves into trouble (ban, xp reset, etc.) without you snitching.
Chrome tater tot wrote...
Your faith in the legal system leads me to believe you've never been tangled up in it. It's a nice thought, but to think the authorities handle every situation accurately, succinctly, and fairly is simply naive. The legal system hurts much more than it helps, at least in most of the united states that is (I can't speak for countries I don't have any experience in).
Not only does it aggresively prosecute small time offenders, but it can be extremely lax in situtations where it shouldn't. Compounded with the poor way that actual sentencing/follow through is handled and the subpar standards to which its employees are held it really just makes a giant mess.
The real issue is the human factor. Most of the people involved in legal processes are after power, money, or both, which is, frankly, understandable; They're only human, but they'll trample anyone and everyone they can for a boost up their ladder. Yes, there are a few good seeds in the system, but not enough to keep the harvest from being rotten.
On a side note:
@max crushmore - Just because I have nice things now doesn't mean I always did. And the "they" in that poem would be the "authority" figures, which he is defenseless against because he would not stand against them with others they prosecuted. It doesn't really correlate well with this debate (in my opinion) and if it did it would stand better on my side, against the "authorities," though im not so much saying "fight the authority" as I am saying "deal with your own problems and let others deal with theirs."
Chrome tater tot wrote...
It's the other way around. The few good people cannot save the world unless all the bad ones allow it to be done.
I would also like to point out that almost every american citizen in 1940 held fast to the opinions I'm supporting right now. The holocaust was "not our problem" until some tycoons saw an opportunity to get even richer off war time profiteering and greased the president's pockets. Next thing you know they are playing Pearl Harbor on the people as a national tragedy that noone saw coming (oh please) and NOW it's our problem. Only once the japanese had transgressed against us did we deign to sully our hands with the rest of the world's conflict.
So don't act like I'm some lone ranger with a some crazy, unheard of philosophy, and don't confuse realism with cowardice. Cowards run to find some big brother to deal with the problems for them, the rest of us handle life all on our own.
Chrome tater tot wrote...
Alien Number Six wrote...
And that is exactly what it is. That is why neighborhood get like that. No one has the guts to stand up for what is right. Everyone wants to say it's not their problem until it's their mom getting raped and murdered. Then they wish someone would have stopped and tried to help or call the police. I report all the fu+cked up sh+it that happens in my neighborhood. I also spent three years in Iraq own a 45. and know how to make bombs. Go ahead and fu+ck with me. Good luck opening up your mail box, your front door, your back door or starting you car
See, to me the first half of your post contradicts the second. I would note that I agree with the second half.
Regardless of my ability to prove who influenced what during WWII the fact remains that the US populace maintained a "not our business" mentality up until the attack on pearl harbor made it U.S. business.ComradeShepard7 wrote...
Chrome tater tot wrote...
It's the other way around. The few good people cannot save the world unless all the bad ones allow it to be done.
I would also like to point out that almost every american citizen in 1940 held fast to the opinions I'm supporting right now. The holocaust was "not our problem" until some tycoons saw an opportunity to get even richer off war time profiteering and greased the president's pockets. Next thing you know they are playing Pearl Harbor on the people as a national tragedy that noone saw coming (oh please) and NOW it's our problem. Only once the japanese had transgressed against us did we deign to sully our hands with the rest of the world's conflict.
So don't act like I'm some lone ranger with a some crazy, unheard of philosophy, and don't confuse realism with cowardice. Cowards run to find some big brother to deal with the problems for them, the rest of us handle life all on our own.
Care to provide citations for tycoons influencing the US entering WWII? Also, have you ever heard of ethical and moral obligations to intervene when there is the capability to do so? Bosnian War and Kosovo intervention ring a bell? Or the current discussion about the use of chemical weapons in Syria?
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