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[shepskisaac]

iakus wrote...

And how can these chocies be honored? 

Never have a krogan, quarian, or geth appear in future games, ever?

No. If at some point in the plot a Krogan character would appear and you have the Krogan extinct, have the main character be required to turn to Asari for help maybe to get something done he/she needs to. Why not visit Tuchanka and have 2 versions of that level depending on whether Krogan are alive or extinct? Just examples obviously

iakus wrote...

Never mention the Reapers or what happened to them?  Green eyes and circuitry "just went away"?

Have green texture turned on if Synthesis is picked. Have Reapers around and perhaps talk to some if they're alive.

It's not impossible to do it. It's a question whether it could be done withing resonable time/budget while not making it too insignificant

Modifié par IsaacShep, 24 août 2013 - 01:25 .

[Steelcan]

no

[AlanC9]

JamesFaith wrote...

Makai81 wrote...

Unfortunately BW has said repeatedly that the next game will NOT be a sequel(i.e. after ME3) but also not before or during the same time as Shepard's story arc according to Chris Priestly.  Very confusing 

Didn't he say that new ME wouldn't be sequel, midquel or prequel to Shepard story or something in similar meaning?

In such case it would be only denying of return of Shepard or connection to Reaper plot. 

What he actually said was that the game could be any of those things, not that it would be none of them.

[AlanC9]

jtav wrote...

Well, the krogan adapted to the genophage once, they can do it again. Not all quarians died at Rannoch. Geth, you got me there, but a gethlike species could be created. Synthesis can happen organically if it's indeed inevitable. Old friends die..And there you have a reasonably coherent universe without nullifying anything.

Anything but the canonization of Destroy.

Gringing all the endings into indistinguishable mush is better than one canon ending?

[AlanC9]

IsaacShep wrote...

iakus wrote...

And how can these chocies be honored? 

Never have a krogan, quarian, or geth appear in future games, ever?

No. If at some point in the plot a Krogan character would appear and you have the Krogan extinct, have the main character be required to turn to Asari for help maybe to get something done he/she needs to. Why not visit Tuchanka and have 2 versions of that level depending on whether Krogan are alive or extinct? Just examples obviously

The krogan choice is actually fairly easy to get around. What one salarian can do, another can do. If Mordin's alive, it's pretty clear that there's going to be a cure available if the krogan ever get to a place where giving it to them would be a good idea.

The quarians and geth are harder,

[FlamingBoy]

Personally I am more interested in continuing to observe bioware as a company I am a bit of a sucker for Schadenfreude

[jtav]

AlanC9 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Well, the krogan adapted to the genophage once, they can do it again. Not all quarians died at Rannoch. Geth, you got me there, but a gethlike species could be created. Synthesis can happen organically if it's indeed inevitable. Old friends die..And there you have a reasonably coherent universe without nullifying anything.

Anything but the canonization of Destroy.

Gringing all the endings into indistinguishable mush is better than one canon ending?

For me personally. I'm not looking for divergent outcomes as much as having the fact that I made a choice. Destroy becomes "not my universe."

[cyrslash1974]

I need more information about the next ME game to have a real feeling.
For example, I was very excited for the next Batman/Superman movie, but considering now that Ben Affleck will be Batman... I am sceptic ^^

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

Yeah, let's not start that here

You don't have to remind me how much festered hate you have over the endings. I'm not necessarily referring to the ending as a whole and how they fit into the rest of the trilogy, but the outcomes as a platform for future games.You called them "radioactive" outcomes, but the high EMS epilogues don't strike me as negative. Feel free to point out something I might have missed.

"Aside from divergence issues"? That's like saying water is "a little wet"

High EMS Destroy or Low EMS Destroy?
Paragon Control or Renegade Control?
Synthesis? (Sure, let's p*ss off 80% of the portion of ME3 players who actually liked the endings http://social.biowar...oticons/lol.png)

Genophage cured or not cured? Wrex or Wreav in charge? With or without Eve?

Quarians? Geth? Both? Neither?

Was Kaje saved?
Was Omega cleared?

Failed outcomes don't have to be considered and that precedent has already been set by ME2. (Shepard dying in ME2 does not carry over to ME3). A lot of what you mentioned, especially the last two can be taken care of by simply moving the time forward enough to where they wouldn't matter.

Unless every single Quarian was fighting on Rannoch, it's more than possible for the Quarians to repopulate. Their numbers were already pretty low. The Geth could also be rebuilt (if anyone would even want to rebuild them?).

With that said, this isn't the approach I would prefer. They don't necessarily have to acknowledge the details of what happened during Shepard's journey. It could just be "yea, the Reapers...that happened but that's all in the past."

And that's just from people who'd be willing to return to that galaxy after ME3's ending.

Enough of that, really. You're still here wondering and worrying about how Bioware will handle future games so obviously people with similar attitudes are "willing to return." It's pretty tiring to read how you think everyone is trying to cope with the ending when that may not be the case for everyone.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 24 août 2013 - 02:08 .

[KaiserShep]

iakus wrote...

And how can these chocies be honored? 

Never have a krogan, quarian, or geth appear in future games, ever?

Never mention the Reapers or what happened to them?  Green eyes and circuitry "just went away"?

One would think everyone achieving "perfect understanding" with each other would have a very differnt outlook than one who has Reapers patrolling the galaxy, which would be different from a galaxy that had to pick itself up after the synthetic holocaust that ended the Reaper War. 

No, even these few choices will cause way too much divergence.  This isn't just a few characters alive or dead or in different stituation.  The entire galaxy changes (for the worse, imo, but that's a matter for elsewhere)  They would need to make separate games for each one, and maybe even that wouldn't be enough (is Earth still around in Destroy?)

Since importing won't matter, it's likely that the most popular choice, and by extension the most optimal outcomes within that choice, will be the one they go with.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 24 août 2013 - 02:15 .

[Nashtalia]

"Unfortunately BW has said repeatedly that the next game will NOT be a sequel(i.e. after ME3) but also not before or during the same time as Shepard's story arc according to Chris Priestly."

^ah there is my source, for my conviction of my assumption that this "next" Mass Effect will be in the "middle" time-line wise, keyword "according".

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

You don't have to remind me how much festered hate you have over the endings. I'm not necessarily referring to the ending as a whole and how they fit into the rest of the trilogy, but the outcomes as a platform for future games.You called them "radioactive" outcomes, but the high EMS epilogues don't strike me as negative. Feel free to point out something I might have missed.

You missed out that the endings are hated by a lot of people, and canonizing or forcing one of these ending outcomes will be a disincentive to some people

Failed outcomes don't have to be considered and that precedent has already been set by ME2. (Shepard dying in ME2 does not carry over to ME3). A lot of what you mentioned, especially the last two can be taken care of by simply moving the time forward enough to where they wouldn't matter.

So what's a "failed outcome"  Refuse, maybe?  It's certainly a "Frak you" outcome, at least.  But low EMS Destroy?  Low EMS Control? 

Unless every single Quarian was fighting on Rannoch, it's more than possible for the Quarians to repopulate. Their numbers were already pretty low. The Geth could also be rebuilt (if anyone would even want to rebuild them?).

And moving the time forward is, as I said, just another way to trivialize the ending choices.  No matter how much of a difference you made, you didn't make any difference, because in the end, it all turned out the same anyway.

With that said, this isn't the approach I would prefer. They don't necessarily have to acknowledge the details of what happened during Shepard's journey. It could just be "yea, the Reapers...that happened but that's all in the past."

I'd actually prefer that, since at least that's not incompatable with MEHEM.

"Yes there was a Reaper War.  COmmander SHepard saved us, now let's never speak of it again.

Enough of that, really. You're still here wondering and worrying about how Bioware will handle future games so obviously people with similar attitudes are "willing to return." It's pretty tiring to read how you think everyone is trying to cope with the ending when that may not be the case for everyone.

A word of advice:  If you don't like my posts, don't read em.  It's that simple.  

But the truth is how Bioware handles future games is very important precisely because the endings were so badly handled.  Whether people will be willing to return because of those endings is a valid question.  Yes, you liked the ending, you'll be eager to return.  Good for you.  Good for everyone  who did.  Go you!  But not everyone feels the same way.  Deal with it.

Modifié par iakus, 24 août 2013 - 02:49 .

[adayaday]

IsaacShep wrote...

iakus wrote...

"Aside from divergence issues"?  That's like saying water is "a little wet"

High EMS Destroy or Low EMS Destroy?
Paragon Control or Renegade Control?
Synthesis? (Sure, let's p*ss off 80% of the portion of ME3 players who actually liked the endings )

Genophage cured or not cured?  Wrex or Wreav in charge?  With or without Eve?

Quarians?  Geth?  Both?  Neither?

Was Kaje saved?
Was Omega cleared?

And that's just from people who'd be willing to return to that galaxy after ME3's ending.

If it's set, say, 1000 years after the trilogy, then a lot of this stuff would be irrelevant. The big ones that would be long-lasting choices - whether Krogan, Quarian, Geth & Rachni are alive or not and the 3 endings.

sooo...the ultimate solution (synthesis)to the bilion year old problem of synthetics killing organics have an expartaion date of a 1000 years?

[Iakus]

KaiserShep wrote...

Since importing won't matter, it's likely that the most popular choice, and by extension the most optimal outcomes within that choice, will be the one they go with.

We don't know if importing will matter or not.  DAI will likely answer that, as they seem to have something up their sleeve as far as game imports go.

[Xilizhra]

I call for a total reboot.

[Iakus]

adayaday wrote...

sooo...the ultimate solution (synthesis)to the bilion year old problem of synthetics killing organics have an expartaion date of a 1000 years?

If only the Reapers had hit the snooze button one more time!  

[David7204]

Lathrim wrote...

I couldn't care less about a game I know absolutely nothing about.

It's a good thing the next Mass Effect doesn't apply then, since you know quite a bit about it.

[David7204]

You know it takes place in the Mass Effect universe.
You know it's a third person shooter.
You know it will have a heavy focus on the story, romance, companions, and choices.
You know it's using a new engine and will almost certainly be very pretty.

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

I call for a total reboot.

Agreed.  Bioware have painted themselves into a corner here.  There's nowhere left to go.

[KaiserShep]

iakus wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Since importing won't matter, it's likely that the most popular choice, and by extension the most optimal outcomes within that choice, will be the one they go with.

We don't know if importing will matter or not.  DAI will likely answer that, as they seem to have something up their sleeve as far as game imports go.

Aside from the divergence of the paths in the endings, I'm curious how importing would even work cross platform. I would love if that was possible at all, since I rather like the outcome of my choice overall.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 24 août 2013 - 03:17 .

[David7204]

Yanick Roy has said both on his Twitter.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Yanick Roy has said both on his Twitter.

Yes, well I think I'm less than inclined to believe him or anything they say at all.

[David7204]

I'm curious what you think BioWare might gain by lying to players and pretending the game is a third person shooter and then having the game turn out to be an FPS or something. Would that somehow get them more sales then just announcing it's going to be an FPS from the beginning?