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Anyone else really excited for the next Mass Effect game?

Débuté par TheNexus , août 22 2013 10:32

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 03:51

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Yeah, but that's very little compared to what was advertised for ME3.


As far as actual advertising was concerned, ME3's was much closer to the game than ME1's was. As far as developer quotes go, I'm not really sure. They could've lied as much back then too. I've always seen video games as fast food. Hardly ever is it as good as advertised.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 03:53

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Right. Let's not go pretending this is anything even remotely close to a unique thing.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 03:56

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

phillip100 wrote...

Yeah, but that's very little compared to what was advertised for ME3.


As far as actual advertising was concerned, ME3's was much closer to the game than ME1's was. As far as developer quotes go, I'm not really sure. They could've lied as much back then too. I've always seen video games as fast food. Hardly ever is it as good as advertised.

I think you're correct about that. In advertising, they said that you will take back Earth. For the most part, you do. The developer quotes however are a different story.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 03:59

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phillip100 wrote...

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phillip100 wrote...

Yeah, but that's very little compared to what was advertised for ME3.


As far as actual advertising was concerned, ME3's was much closer to the game than ME1's was. As far as developer quotes go, I'm not really sure. They could've lied as much back then too. I've always seen video games as fast food. Hardly ever is it as good as advertised.

I think you're correct about that. In advertising, they said that you will take back Earth. For the most part, you do. The developer quotes however are a different story.


I can see that as a possibility. Without a huge corporation backing them up, they probably had to be more accountable. (Not to say they are horrible now, they can get away with more since they have a safety net).

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:01

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They've spoken a lot about this issue. It's clear they know they screwed up and want to make amends.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:03

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They've spoken a lot about this issue. It's clear they know they screwed up and want to make amends.


Not the ones that actually told the tallest tales. Walter and Hudson. Though I can really care less if they apologized. They never did anything to me.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:08

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I doubt Walters is ever going to be saying much of anything, period. You notice that none of the staff even mentioned the Foundation comic he released on Twitter? (I'm pretty sure.) I would almost certainly say they've asked him to keep out of the limelight. They know he's hated. His position as 'narrative director' probably means he's going to be on staff to give advice but he won't have any ultimate authority.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:14

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David7204 wrote...

They've spoken a lot about this issue. It's clear they know they screwed up and want to make amends.


Citation needed.

The only impression I got was the one Shepard got after the "Ah, yes, Reapers" line in ME2.  To this day I don't think any of them understand what went wrong.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:14

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To answer your question, OP, not right now. Maybe when we know more about the game.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:15

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iakus wrote...

David7204 wrote...

They've spoken a lot about this issue. It's clear they know they screwed up and want to make amends.


Citation needed.

The only impression I got was the one Shepard got after the "Ah, yes, Reapers" line in ME2.  To this day I don't think any of them understand what went wrong.

What the hell are you talking about? How does that line have anything to do with this?

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:19

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Citation needed.

The only impression I got was the one Shepard got after the "Ah, yes, Reapers" line in ME2.  To this day I don't think any of them understand what went wrong.


Considering that you guys can't even agree on what "went wrong"--some say the heroism wasn't meaningful, some say it's full of plotholes, and some say it wasn't happy enough--I's not sure you're justified in acting like there's a single thing that "went wrong" and Bioware should know it.

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David7204 wrote...

What the hell are you talking about? How does that line have anything to do with this?


He means they dismissed the claims.

Something proven objectively false by the very existence of the EC, but regardless I believe that's what he's saying.

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David7204 wrote...

iakus wrote...

David7204 wrote...

They've spoken a lot about this issue. It's clear they know they screwed up and want to make amends.


Citation needed.

The only impression I got was the one Shepard got after the "Ah, yes, Reapers" line in ME2.  To this day I don't think any of them understand what went wrong.

What the hell are you talking about? How does that line have anything to do with this?


They have "dismissed the claims" of those who disliked the endings. Hiding  behind secret spreadsheets claiming the endings were awesome, attempting to marginalize and trivialize those the "anti-ending" crowd.

You know, like how the Council refused to believe Shepard's claims about the Reapers.

Show me where they admit they screwed up, and want to make amends.  Th Dragon Age team has done so (in so many words, at least) But I've heard zilch from teh Mass Effect team.  Old or new.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:22

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EntropicAngel wrote...

David7204 wrote...

What the hell are you talking about? How does that line have anything to do with this?


He means they dismissed the claims.

Something proven objectively false by the very existence of the EC, but regardless I believe that's what he's saying.


GIven I believe EC was made more to step the flood of returns and trade-ins of the game than to actually "fix" anything, you are otherwise correct.

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It's true. From the very beginning some people would accept no less than a direct apology. It makes sense if you're a long time fan, I guess. I got into the series while ME3 was in production, though.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:23

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I'm not talking about the endings. I'm talking about the developers basically lying to the players or making very heavy exaggerations pre-release.

But since you mentioned it, the fact that BioWare made and released the Extended Cut for free at all should be obvious proof they never 'dismissed' the people who hated the endings.

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GIven I believe EC was made more to step the flood of returns and trade-ins of the game than to actually "fix" anything, you are otherwise correct.


So EA has to pay back Game/Gamestop/other retailers for games that were traded back? I didn't know that.

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Personally, I don't even want an apology. The story and ending work "well enough" on the premises they set up. I just hate the premises. Completely different issue. I can't expect them to change on that. I have more of a philosophical disagreement with the direction they took. It's not that they're necessarily "wrong" (to me), given what they were working with.

I don't want to see Mac disappear either. He's written some great things. Should just stay away from Reaper (or equal type of) plots. Both Arrival and ME3 had me rolling my eyes.

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David7204 wrote...

I'm not talking about the endings. I'm talking about the developers basically lying to the players or making very heavy exaggerations pre-release.

But since you mentioned it, the fact that BioWare made and released the Extended Cut for free at all should be obvious proof they never 'dismissed' the people who hated the endings.


You should realize that one of the things people considered a lie was the "ABC" ending quote. They feel that the lie wasn't rectified by the EC because the choices remained the same. Judiging by the fact that both shooting the Catalyst (which was very popular at the time) triggered Refuse and the fact that choosing the Refuse ending warrants no achievement for beating the game, people never consider that ending to be the "D" ending they are looking for.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:28

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They weren't going to get the ending they wanted in the Extended Cut without a complete retcon of everything that happened in the original. And that's a huge no-no.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:30

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EntropicAngel wrote...

iakus wrote...

GIven I believe EC was made more to step the flood of returns and trade-ins of the game than to actually "fix" anything, you are otherwise correct.


So EA has to pay back Game/Gamestop/other retailers for games that were traded back? I didn't know that.


No

So those retailers will continue to buy and stock more Bioware products.  Instead of looking at all the returns/exchanges and going "Yeah, that was a bad investment.  Let's not do that next time"

You're only as good as your last game, after all.

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The only real way for the "ABC" quote to not apply was for them to have the Crucible act in a different way. Of course, that isn't the case, and Hudson should've chosen his words more wisely.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:33

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StreetMagic wrote...

Personally, I don't even want an apology. The story and ending work "well enough" on the premises they set up. I just hate the premises. Completely different issue. I can't expect them to change on that. I have more of a philosophical disagreement with the direction they took. It's not that they're necessarily "wrong" (to me), given what they were working with.

I don't want to see Mac disappear either. He's written some great things. Should just stay away from Reaper (or equal type of) plots. Both Arrival and ME3 had me rolling my eyes.


I just want to hear MEHEM can be my canon ending that won't be contradicted in future games.  If they want to make amends, just say that.

Well, say it and mean it ;)

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No

So those retailers will continue to buy and stock more Bioware products.  Instead of looking at all the returns/exchanges and going "Yeah, that was a bad investment.  Let's not do that next time"

You're only as good as your last game, after all.


So Gamestop would stop selling EA (Bioware is EA, EA is Bioware--they are one and the same) games at all? Literally the largest (non-hardware) game publisher? That's complete nonsense. Please give any slightest, BAREST shred of proof that that is even possible.

I'll be honest, it sounds like you're pulling stuff straight out of your [REDACTED] just to paint them in a negative light. That sounds completely absurd.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 04:35

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EntropicAngel wrote...

So Gamestop would stop selling EA games at all? That's complete nonsense. Please give any slightest, BAREST shred of proof that that is even possible.

I'll be honest, it sounds like you're pulling stuff straight out of your [REDACTED] just to paint them in a negative light. That sounds completely absurd.


All EA games?  No

Bioware games?  Perhaps.  They certainly wouldn't order or stock as many copies, that's for sure.

I've been pretty polite to you.  I'd ask you return the courtesy.
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