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[spiritage]

Sidney wrote...

devilsgrin wrote...

oh no hes not.... i wouldn't want to spoil it for you too badly... but just the words... ...camp...shriek ambush...blight plague...late game

I can read between the lines, is he in or with the camp ambush? I've played my Dailish guy to the end of the game so I've gone past that point. Is there something I didn't do or did Sten or someone just kill him before I could talk to him?

hes by the campfire near bodahn, you talk to him but not to spoil it for you too badly.. but just the words... ...camp...shriek ambush...blight plague...late game... too far.. love.. dont want to..

[BeckShort]

That's what makes a good origin story to me; the little details while interacting with other people that reference your origin or make it relevant.

[Sidney]

spiritage wrote...
hes by the campfire near bodahn, you talk to him but not to spoil it for you too badly.. but just the words... ...camp...shriek ambush...blight plague...late game... too far.. love.. dont want to..

I musta just mowed the Shrieks down and then moved on and not seen him over there. It isn't some automatic interrupt/cut scene then...or else I had some sorta bug.

...or since he's declaring love does it only happen for female dales?

Modifié par Sidney, 19 janvier 2010 - 05:53 .

[devilsgrin]

it happens to both - the love part only for female dalish, but you have to visit the camp a fair amount later in the game, when it starts to get busy in Ferelden... so you may not have stopped at camp at the right time.

[Emma-Lath]

Luchaire wrote...

This is definitely my favorite origin. The sense of a lost past really resonates with me (might have something to do with being a historian myself), and then the final leaving home scene is deeply touching. When the PC turns to look back at the gathered clan one last time, then looks down briefly before turning to walk away, I could feel the emotion more acutely than with any other origin.

They're all good (although the mage one is questionable) but this one hits me just right.

That scene always makes me tear. The Dalish origin has made me cry far more than anything else in the game, it just so touching and heartbreaking at the same time, and the whole tamlen thing makes me want to go cry in a conner just thinking about it

[RangerSG]

I did like the Dalish origin. I just don't like it as much as the mage and noble origins. But I do agree it gets a bad rap. There's only one origin story I don't care for (DC).

[BeckShort]

What I like most is that you are recruited because you unwittingly stumbled into your ****ty situation. In the other origins, Duncan nabs you because of a brief exhibition of your skills. But really, this is a criteria that plenty of other people could fit. In the DE origin, he knows you're a decent hunter, but the fact that you're already tainted is just perfect.

[Shamagar]

It's my least favorite origin, just because the rest have a really compelling emotional connection. Not that it's horrible, it's just my least favorite...



But it is fun telling the King to go screw himself

[Archonsg]

I loved the strong family ties that the dalish origin had, but then you leave never to return or hear from them again (till the coronation), references to your origin seemed casaul compared to say as say Human Noble where if you had idendified yourself as such, Ser Cauthrien does not use the infamous " your betters are talking" line on you, since you *were speaking as an equal when rebuffing Loghain".

Or say as dwarven noble at Tapsters where the waitress believes you to be a murdering sod and refuses to serves you.



Its not that the Dalish origins to me is bad, its just that all the other origins in my opionin overshadowed and had a far greater impact on the game long after you left your "origins" behind and become a warden. Even the dwarven commer origin (the other origin that some seem to hate) had far more impact based on your origins, when you had to choose between Bhelen and Harrowmont, since it was making a choice that would effect the PC's sister's and mother's future.



The dalish origins too, seem a bit rushed or imcomplete for a better term. Probably the major disapointment for me was when Tamlen touched the mirror then its a "fade to black" and you see Duncan standing over you. When I learned later that I survived a darkspawn surge I was like "Whhhhaaaat?!" That fade to black part broke it for me. Too much of a "plot device" to get you "infected" and thus "forced" to join the wardens compared to all the other Origins which had a more natural flow for you joining the wardens. Perhaps if I had to fight off a few darkspawn, see Tamlen get dragged into the mirror, get overwhelmed and see Duncan charge in to save me ....then it would have been a better experience for me and I'd be ranking the dalish origins a heck lot more higher.

[Sabriana]

Archonsg wrote...

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The dalish origins too, seem a bit rushed or imcomplete for a better term. Probably the major disapointment for me was when Tamlen touched the mirror then its a "fade to black" and you see Duncan standing over you. When I learned later that I survived a darkspawn surge I was like "Whhhhaaaat?!" That fade to black part broke it for me. Too much of a "plot device" to get you "infected" and thus "forced" to join the wardens compared to all the other Origins which had a more natural flow for you joining the wardens. Perhaps if I had to fight off a few darkspawn, see Tamlen get dragged into the mirror, get overwhelmed and see Duncan charge in to save me ....then it would have been a better experience for me and I'd be ranking the dalish origins a heck lot more higher.

Agreed on that. That was the major "....what the heck?" point for me as well.

It's not that I don't like the Dalish origin, it's just that it did not touch me personally as much as the others. Even the mage one meant more to me, simply because my PC found the whole thing oppressive, hated the templars being prosecuter, judge, jury, and executioner all in one stroke, and was really upset that her friend was to be made tranquil.

The Dalish story is touching, and the funeral scene was well done. However the deepest emotional impact comes way later in the game, unfortunately.

[Sidreus]

For me, Dalish origin is kinda feel empty. I can't relate with anything in it.



City Elf: Best with female PC but male one also pass the feeling of disgust and injustice elves feel towards humans.

Human Noble: Even it is maybe the shortest of origin stories it has great NPCs in it. Ser Gilmore, your family (especially Fergus and your Mom), Dairren or Iona.

Dwarf Noble: You find yourself in a plot of betrayal. So personal.

Dwarf Commoner: It has it's bits like leaving your sister and a bad guy using both you and sister.

Mage: Spinning around a dilemma. Choosing either a faithfull servant of the circle or being a good friend. I still hate the Jowan because of my first time as he betrayed both me and Lily.

As you can see all above origins gives you a reason to move.



For me Dalish origin has a dude who I don't have slightest connection doing most idoitic things so he can put Alistair to shame. Then I forced to find him... Booom... You are sick and only way to save your arse is being a GW. There are many people who I don't have any idea who they are saying their farewells. (I guess this part where things get so emotional but not for me).



My opinion is very biased tho' as I hate Dalish Elves thanks to Zathrian. I played game on every perspective so far, killing the dog or Connor (even sacrificing Isolde) made me feel dirty. I don't feel anything negative while butchering whole Dalish Clan. I think being in Dalish camp most painfull part of this game.

[Zaisha_temp]

The Dalish origin had almost zero emotional impact for me. I never really got that I was supposed to have some special attachment to Tamlin over and above the other members of my clan either. The impact of leaving my clan was massively reduced due to my protest at having to leave being basically met by Duncan going "You have to come with me.", followed by the Keeper's "Yeah, you gotta go with him."

The supposed to be emotional reappearance of Tamilin went (stream of consiousness style) "Hey it's that idiot I went on patrol with and basically got both of us killed. He's a ghoul now, so I suppose I'll have to mercy-kill him. *Kills Tamlin* Wow , that was an absolute minimum effort at tying up loose ends. Guess this is the one they skimped on for time/money reasons."

The only time I felt even vaguely Dalish was the Brecillian forest part of the game, and even then it didn't seem to make much of a difference accept for one or two lines in some conversations there. In the rest of the game most of the "origin specific" lines were basic elf/not human lines. IIRC I didnt even get any special lines when my character's boyfriend Zevran expressed an interest in the Dalish, which would seem a little out of character for the origin.   

[nubbers666]

Amainville wrote...

Meh, I prefer the human noble origin. I just LOVE wiping the smirk off of Arl Howe's face later in the game >=)

thats kinda why i like the city elf begining quest  most

[huwie]

BeckShort wrote...

What I like most is that you are recruited because you unwittingly stumbled into your ****ty situation. In the other origins, Duncan nabs you because of a brief exhibition of your skills. But really, this is a criteria that plenty of other people could fit. In the DE origin, he knows you're a decent hunter, but the fact that you're already tainted is just perfect.

He also knows you're an effective darkspawn fighter ... he goes so far as to say he'd have had a harder time of his own battle, if you hadn't killed your share. Having said that, if he was prepared to take Jory his standards couldn't have been that high

I've thought a bit more about the choices/not you appear to have at the joining and I think what jars for me is that the transition from beginning to middle (in Hero's Journey terms) is shifted in the Dalish story. You find you're beyond the point of no return before even leaving home. That's not a problem in itself, but the story merges with a version that's engineered around the point of no return being the Joining.

I can see that it gives an interesingly different perspective at Ostagar though -- and not just because of the taint; in other playthroughs my PC has been the rookie; this time she's probably killed more darkspawn than Alistair has. It then makes more sense that he would defer to her.

[Addai]

Sidreus wrote...

For me Dalish origin has a dude who I don't have slightest connection doing most idoitic things so he can put Alistair to shame. Then I forced to find him... Booom... You are sick and only way to save your arse is being a GW. There are many people who I don't have any idea who they are saying their farewells. (I guess this part where things get so emotional but not for me).

My opinion is very biased tho' as I hate Dalish Elves thanks to Zathrian. I played game on every perspective so far, killing the dog or Connor (even sacrificing Isolde) made me feel dirty. I don't feel anything negative while butchering whole Dalish Clan. I think being in Dalish camp most painfull part of this game.

Tamlen is your blood brother, in a society where the clan is everything.  If you aren't able to imagine yourself into that situation, I don't think it is the fault of the storytelling.  At least I can say I felt that origin very keenly- being sent away from the clan is in itself a kind of death, etc.  It sounds like you just have an aversion to the background lore, so no surprise you wouldn't enjoy that origin.

Maybe others can explain why they favor the mage origin.  For me, that is the one (not having played the dwarf origins yet) which feels the most hollow.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 janvier 2010 - 05:37 .

[Kepha]

BeckShort wrote...

What I like most is that you are recruited because you unwittingly stumbled into your ****ty situation. In the other origins, Duncan nabs you because of a brief exhibition of your skills. But really, this is a criteria that plenty of other people could fit. In the DE origin, he knows you're a decent hunter, but the fact that you're already tainted is just perfect.

I think its not just the fact that you're tainted, but that you were able to recover, at least temporarily.  Shows off your inner toughness, and probably increases your likelyhood of surviving the Joining in Duncan's eyes.   You don't see him recruiting the tainted soldier in the infimary.

[Gold Dragon]

Addai67 wrote...
Tamlen is your blood brother, in a society where the clan is everything.

Maybe others can explain why they favor the mage origin.  For me, that is the one (not having played the dwarf origins yet) which feels the most hollow.

Blood Brother reference:  I concurr.  Brother (as much as Fergus from the Human Noble Origin) in all ways except that you have different mothers.

As for the Mages, well.....  I find that you actually face the same oppression that the City Elves do, but more subtle (the Knight commander actually sounds almost frightened before your Harrowing).  Later, Cullen shows why.

[Addai]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

As for the Mages, well.....  I find that you actually face the same oppression that the City Elves do, but more subtle (the Knight commander actually sounds almost frightened before your Harrowing).  Later, Cullen shows why.

Ah, yes, I can see that.  Currently playing a mage who decided to sacrifice Isolde rather than take the risk of exposing the villagers of Redcliffe to the demon for even another night.  She had been falling for Alistair, just gets back from fighting demons alone in the Fade and risking possession herself in order to save Connor, and he berates her for it.  Really saw the templar coming out in him, and it reminded her of Cullen, another man whom she thought was her friend but who she realizes deep down fears and maybe even despises her.

With all the origins, I think you get out what you put in.  The game interactions are just a frame, at least for me.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 janvier 2010 - 06:58 .

[Palentor]

The Dalish Elf Origin was my first choice when I started, as I always went the path of elven ranger/hunter in the past 15 odd years, be it P&P, RPG or MMO. Mostly because I am quite attached to that combination, and by now to also compare settings.

I gladly admit that it got me right from the beginning, as it actually very much brought me into contact with the Dalish and the 'Why' / 'How' of their way of being what they are. When my Speaker told me that I had to go, to master the Taint in me, it was the way things would be. Finding closure later on, the soul-searching with the Guardian later and finally being able to provide a land for my people, was just beyond anything I imagined when I left my clan.

Later I did the other Origins, and none of them had the same feeling of having a motivation to be a Grey Warden as my Dalish Elf. All of them somehow seemed to rather like doing something else than be the Grey Wardens they should be.

So yes, for me the Dalish Origin best set the somber note of what lay ahead of me, and therefore it is still my favorite, even though none of the others is bad either and has their very own twists to the story which are very like-able.

[Borschtbeet]

The Dalish Origin is the worst. Everything about it just feels flat. Having to visit the same dungeon twice sucked.



Human Noble, Dwarf Noble and Mage Origin are the best.

[Nonvita]

Addai67 wrote...

A Golden Dragon wrote...

As for the Mages, well.....  I find that you actually face the same oppression that the City Elves do, but more subtle (the Knight commander actually sounds almost frightened before your Harrowing).  Later, Cullen shows why.

Ah, yes, I can see that.  Currently playing a mage who decided to sacrifice Isolde rather than take the risk of exposing the villagers of Redcliffe to the demon for even another night.  She had been falling for Alistair, just gets back from fighting demons alone in the Fade and risking possession herself in order to save Connor, and he berates her for it.  Really saw the templar coming out in him, and it reminded her of Cullen, another man whom she thought was her friend but who she realizes deep down fears and maybe even despises her.

With all the origins, I think you get out what you put in.  The game interactions are just a frame, at least for me.

Mm yeah, I've realized about the origins that I don't find any of them "bad." Usually it's just a case of not understanding the character/situation well enough when I go in. I find that replaying the origins gives me a far deeper connection to them, becuase the second time around I can pay more attention to the details, and I have some idea about the origin on which to base my character.

I've also found, however, that sometimes it's just luck as to whether or not your character fits the emotional appeal of the story. I know some people didn't like City Elf, but I think that's because they had a certain identity in mind that didn't mesh with the trauma of the story. The CE I played fit so well into the story that I felt like I really had a family and a home being torn apart from me, so it was deeply moving. Now I'm finding that playing the DE origin the second time around, I'm able to create my character in a way that's receptive to the story, and it's much more meaningful that way.