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Débuté par ThinkSharp , août 23 2013 07:21

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:30

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David7204 wrote...

They need biotics. Okay. So why are they bothering with species that have a negligable amount of biotics at all? Why not just focus on the asari? In fact, if they need biotics, why bother with any of this nonsense? Why not just seed planets with eezo and harvest the life that evolves with it? What do they need biotics for in the first place? What's so special about biotics that Reapers can't develop it themselves?


Apparently, the Asari were unideal to Harbinger if you listen to his taunts. They're too dependent on other species for reproduction, so there are other biological needs besides biotics as well. At best, they'd use them for tools (like the Protheans), but not use them to accomplish their ultimate goal.

None of this really matters though, post ME3. The Reapers changed, along with motivations. Not much to talk about now.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:32

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It absolutely matters if we're saying this plot is better than the one we got. Or even good. Or even mediocre.

What exactly are the Reapers trying to do in this scenario?

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David7204 wrote...

It absolutely matters if we're saying this plot is better than the one we got. Or even good. Or even mediocre.

What exactly are the Reapers trying to do in this scenario?


I'm serious, I was actually here to just talk about pyjaks. I didn't want to repeat a big ""Ending" discussion. So I personally don't think it matters.

To sum it up though, the dark energy ending was akin to a "global warming"/environmental crisis. The main thing that changed is the new motivations center around a technological singularity instead. In the original one, the Reapers were trying to contain dark energy buildup. They were on a multimillion year long quest searching for a solution, and by the current cycle, found it in humanity. We don't know a lot of details besides that, but biotic potential was a big part of it. Dark energy and Mass effect fields are all part of the same phenomena, but the Reapers apparently couldn't directly manipulate it like organic species. For all of their power, it was outside their capabilities. So they depended on proxies (like humans, protheans, etc). Apparently the Reapers were going to let Shepard in on the problem eventually, and he'd have to make a choice to sacrifice his own race for the sake of the galaxy. Or turn the same power against the Reapers and wipe them out - hoping to find a solution of his own eventually (I think the Catalyst device was still a part of the old ending btw).

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:42

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I've heard that before. I hate it. For a lot of reasons.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:43

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David7204 wrote...

I've heard that before. I hate it. For a lot of reasons.


I hate the Reapers in general.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:47

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Heckling other peoples' holiday ideas makes pandas cry, just so you know.

Anyway, my plan is to go find that super-isolated spot Liara talked about before Cronos Station.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:48

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Why do you hate them?

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:48

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Guys! Holiday! Nice places! Fun! Go!

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:50

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David7204 wrote...

Why do you hate them?


Because they're so immensely important and all-powerful that they smother an otherwise fun/interesting setting/universe. Holds it completely hostage to be about nothing but them, when, in the "Stargazer's" words, there are a million stories to be told.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:53

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Quite the opposite. They allow interesting stories to be told. Great protagonists need great conflicts to overcome.

You look at nearly every fantasy and science fiction story of significant length in existence, and what do they all have? A powerful villain.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:55

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David7204 wrote...

Quite the opposite. They allow interesting stories to be told. Great protagonists need great conflicts to overcome.

You look at nearly every fantasy and science fiction story of significant length in existence, and what do they all have? A powerful villain.

There is, however, a difference between powerful and so powerful that only a single MacGuffin can beat them. Palpatine was mighty indeed, but still mortal and could be killed by humans alone.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:57

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Yes, that certainly is a great challenge that certainly could have been handled better in Mass Effect. But it's not impossible.

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David7204 wrote...

Quite the opposite. They allow interesting stories to be told. Great protagonists need great conflicts to overcome.

You look at nearly every fantasy and science fiction story of significant length in existence, and what do they all have? A powerful villain.


Great conflcts is fine. Pretty much every story has them.

This was overkill.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:58

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It wasn't overkill. It could have been done.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:59

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David7204 wrote...

It wasn't overkill. It could have been done better.


Fixed

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 02:01

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What I mean is that an ultra satisfying ending could have been done with hard science and tactics, meaningful action from Shepard, and choices that matter without significantly altering either the Reapers or the galaxy. They're not an insurmountable writing obsticle.

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I'll leave it up to other people to imagine a "plausible" way to overcome it. I just think Drew had a better way of ending it. Not an ideal way.

The only thing in my mind that can top a Reaper invasion are actual gods. And that would be unsuitable for this setting (happens often in fantasy though).

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 02:25

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David7204 wrote...

That would be a ridiculously inefficient method of 'farming' for a plot that makes no sense at all anyway.

I'm sure you can think of more efficient methods. Why hasn't BioWare or the NSF hired you yet?

You can't 'absorb' the 'technological essence of a species.'

You can't.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 02:27

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out of the hub worlds in the ME universe, i would say it would have to be Illium with Liara :wub:

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 02:46

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In a post-ME3 world where the Reapers are history and the damn illuimati kid and his giant baby rattle didnt dictate the fate of everyone, my Shep would enjoy going to a place like Noveria or The Citadel (which is still intact/rebuilt) and just chilling with his crew. Maybe setting up bigger and better apartment together. :P

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 02:49

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ThinkSharp wrote...

Time for shore leave.

Where are you going on holiday?


Taking the Normandy from the alliance and hiding it, then taking a luxury space yacht and going away for about a year of holiday and vacation. Australia, Nevos, Illium

Who's coming with?


Just Miranda. Possibly Oriana as well.

What's the itinerary?


Long leg tour of the entire galaxy. We're also going to be looking for homes and suitable locations for Post-Cerberus bases.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 02:51

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A space yacht. In space.

Somehow, I doubt such a vehicle would be capable of going from system to system. Certainly not a 'tour of the galaxy'. Though I suppose they could be simply be rented. But then you'd still have to find some other kind of transportation between colonies.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 02:54

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David7204 wrote...

A space yacht. In space.

Somehow, I doubt such a vehicle would be capable of going from system to system. Certainly not a 'tour of the galaxy'. Though I suppose they could be simply be rented. But then you'd still have to find some other kind of transportation between colonies.


I don't care what you doubt. You've proven time and again to everyone that the only good that comes from your opinion is the laugh we all get out of it.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 02:57

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Such hostility to me innocently pointing out that you're probably not going to be able to tour the entire galaxy in a 'yacht' crewed by two people.

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Posté 24 août 2013 - 02:59

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And here I thought this thread was about taking a frelling vacation. Was I wrong. People want it about the frelling reapers.

No. This thread is about taking a vacation with my waifu. So stuff it.
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