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[dracuella]

I just put my fingers over the ears of the female elf and I honestly can't tell any difference between her and the human female. I think it's a real shame that they didn't keep the DA2 elves which imho were a huge improvement over the humans with pointy ears issue.

I think the issue with the elves in DA2 for most people were that they weren't fleshed out - in every sense of the word. A lot of them were very thin and in some cases so much it made them appear bordering starvation. This could be explained by their diminished height and the idea of slim/slender builds but still; it made me want to give them money to buy food.

In the more metaphorical sense of the word there is the fact that so few elves were actually given a unique model with proper facial features, wrinkles and yes, let's face it, eyebrows. They were downright eerie to behold and felt strangely incomplete. As if they were just placeholders that would be replaced by proper elves once more models were created.

I myself couldn't be more happy about the other, more refined elves in DA2, such as Fenris, Merrill and Marethari. Yes admittedly I, too, had to get used to their new looks but I loved their uniqueness and special features and believe that if only more had been completed to a degree such as them, people wouldn't hate them so much.

Personally, I pray we don't return to smallish humans with pointy ears again. That would be a downright shame in my book.

[Ieldra]

To me, all the three races look perfect, males and females alike. Can't wait to play a female dwarf again. I hope they give her an interesting background.



*Scratches head* Something must be wrong.... this is all looking so very good. Where's the catch, damn it? It feels wrong to have nothing to be concerned about...

[cjones91]

dracuella wrote...

I just put my fingers over the ears of the female elf and I honestly can't tell any difference between her and the human female. I think it's a real shame that they didn't keep the DA2 elves which imho were a huge improvement over the humans with pointy ears issue.

I think the issue with the elves in DA2 for most people were that they weren't fleshed out - in every sense of the word. A lot of them were very thin and in some cases so much it made them appear bordering starvation. This could be explained by their diminished height and the idea of slim/slender builds but still; it made me want to give them money to buy food.

In the more metaphorical sense of the word there is the fact that so few elves were actually given a unique model with proper facial features, wrinkles and yes, let's face it, eyebrows. They were downright eerie to behold and felt strangely incomplete. As if they were just placeholders that would be replaced by proper elves once more models were created.

I myself couldn't be more happy about the other, more refined elves in DA2, such as Fenris, Merrill and Marethari. Yes admittedly I, too, had to get used to their new looks but I loved their uniqueness and special features and believe that if only more had been completed to a degree such as them, people wouldn't hate them so much.

Personally, I pray we don't return to smallish humans with pointy ears again. That would be a downright shame in my book.

That's like the 500th time I've heard someone say "humans with pointy ears".If I had a dollar for each time that's been said I would have 500 bucks right now.

Modifié par cjones91, 24 août 2013 - 07:43 .

[Xiltas]

Superb. I really think they found a great way to make them seem more...unique. DA:O had nearly no distinction between humans and elves except for the ears, and DA2s design made them look too cartoonish.
This time, I'm really looking forward to playing an Elven character again

[ScotGaymer]

cjones91 wrote...

That's like the 500th time I've heard someone say "humans with pointy ears".If I had a dollar for each time that's been said I would have 500 bucks right now.

The thing is I couldn't disagree more with that assertion..

To me the concepts for the Elves don't look any different from DA2 elves. They still look rather unfortunate and googly eyed.

So... Yeah I don't get it.

Also whats wrong with the Elves looking like well Elves?

[In Exile]

Faerunner wrote...
That's actually a really good point. I hadn't thought of it that way.

I think the Dalish's attachment to their history is a noose. They don't just honour it - they deify it. I think it traps them. Zathrian is a good thematic example of it. So caught up in a past vendetate that he can't see the harm it causes in the present, and won't let go of it 

Hear, hear!

Just have a year until our elven PCs are up and (hopefully) liberating elves in Thedas! 

[Bionuts]

Dwarfs are just really short humans.

[chrislynn]

In Exile wrote...

Faerunner wrote...
That's actually a really good point. I hadn't thought of it that way.

I think the Dalish's attachment to their history is a noose. They don't just honour it - they deify it. I think it traps them. Zathrian is a good thematic example of it. So caught up in a past vendetate that he can't see the harm it causes in the present, and won't let go of it

I thought Merrill's quest to repair the mirror was also a good example of how holding on so tightly to the past was hindering them from creating a future. She was willing to turn to blood magic and be outcast because she believed so strongly that they could only survive by reclaiming the lost knowledge. I always felt that was so very sad and we all know it doesn't end well, even if you try to turn her away from her path. 

I am glad the elves are back and look forward to playing from their perspective. I am also still hoping for DLC to be created that tells an elven specific story and hero in addition to the 'wide scope sweeping save the world stories' that we are getting. (A dwarven specific story would be cool as well!)

[AtreiyaN7]

Like - overall.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 24 août 2013 - 08:25 .

[ninsegtari]

I support the DA2 elf design. I would hope that the final DAI version is simply an improved version. I certainly wouldn't want them to be humans with pointy ears again.

[Tinxa]

I like it.

The big majority of elves in DA2 were ugly and that was a problem when the lore said humans were supposed to think them beautiful.

I'd like it if they tried to make their eyes a bit bigger for some middle ground between DA2 and DAO. So they'd look a bit alien and not cross into the ugly.

[Cantina]

Looking good!



I just hope they don't take a turn for the worst and end up with this crap (again)....









Or this....










And for the love of Andraste, I really do not want to hear them talk like they have an Irish accent.

[TMJfin]

Me likey very much I'm an elf loving person.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Love.

[monima]

I think they look beautiful:) A big improvement. I will have to play the game as every race now:)

[The Qun & the Damned]

Not bad at all. I didn't have such a huge issue with the DA2 elves, though sometimes I wondered why some elves bordered on being sticks with donkey ears.

[WildOrchid]

They actually look far better than in DA2.

[In Exile]

Faerunner wrote...
To be honest, I could say the same about Merrill's Clan. The Dalish have been doing the same things for centuries and it hasn't gotten them anywhere. Merrill found a powerful relic and was willing to try something different (i.e. repair and use it) to change their lives forever, but they shied away from the mirror because it wasn't part of their safe, familiar, certified pre-owned Dalish collection. She turned to blood magic because they refused to even consider helping her and they exiled her rather than try to understand where she's coming from. The way I see it, she ran into so much trouble and ultimately because they actively hindered and sabotaged her at chance they could.  

Thematically, both were obsessed about the past in all the wrong ways. I see the Dalish as being afraid to change their way of holding on to the past. Marethari said that the relic was somehow dangerous and unknown and should be left behind - it could have been the catalyst to a change in their way of life and she ran away from it.

But Merril was the other extreme. Despite what people often say on this forum, Merril never suggested that repairing the Eluvian was about having a technological breakthrough that would improve the lives of the elves. In all her conversations, it was about reclaiming the past. She just pursued that reclamation in a reckless way and to the detriment of all of her obligations. 

Both the Sabrae clan and Merril clung to the past in different ways, and both were wrong. If they approached the issue as scientists or engineers - finding a tool, looking to manipulate it - then it would be diferrent. There's an argument that the mirror is unknown and therefore dangerous, and an argument that the danger is worth it because of how it could change the lives of the elves, but that wasn't the argument (thematically) that Marethari and Merill had. 

The Dalish, as a general rule, seem to pay lip service to the idea of regaining their lost lore and becoming great again; but when it comes time to making the hard choices and (more importantly) compromises to make it happen, they shy away from it. They seem to think it's easier to cling to and try to recreate the past the way they've done with in the past, rather than accepting, growing and changing with the times.

Just my perspective.

I think our view is the same. 

[Tonishi]

Xsari Rose wrote...

SicSemper T Rex wrote...

Aw, i had grown attached to the ugly-cute elves of 2.

I liked the big irises in DA2 and yeah Merrill was cute. I just found them way too skinny.

Yeah, they looked a bit like living skeletons there. Though I did like the fact they had bigger eyes than humans. Otherwise these look very nice (Though I'm not sure about the male one - might be because of his facial expression).

[Huge_Beaver]

Since they are a different race and not species I think they fit perfectly and love them.

[ScotGaymer]

Cantina wrote...


And for the love of Andraste, I really do not want to hear them talk like they have an Irish accent.

This. Oh so much this.

It made me want to cry almost as much as the voice acting for FemHawke did. I mean seriously. 

Welsh and Irish sound different. And the Dalish elves are supposed to sound WELSH. Dear god. Bioware need to stop letting American VAs approximate accents. They aren't even good irish accents - just generic "oh hey top o' tha mornin'!" accents.
Even Donnelly from ME had a horrible accent. As a Scotsman it hugely offended me at how terrible that sh*t was.

EDIT:
Before anyone gets on at me about how Donnelly wasn't that bad. To an american or non english speaker it might have been a good enough approximation of "scottish" in the way that James Doohan did "scottish" for Scotty to someone from the UK it would be immediately noticably bad.

Same with the Dalish elves speaking with inexplicable irish accents when they are supposed to sound welshish.

It would be like a Brit trying to do an "canadian" accent and sounding distinctly "texan". Yeah the accents are from neighbouring countries but they aren't the same thing.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 24 août 2013 - 11:44 .