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[theflyingzamboni]

I'm going to miss the DA2 elves. They were different. Not everything has to seem sexually attractive to be good design. The DA2 elves as far as I'm concerned were good because they didn't look human or particularly attractive a lot of the time. Despite what the OP may think, The new designs just look like pointy-eared humans. It's not going to bother me that they changed them to this, but it would have been cool if they'd stuck with a more distinct design. Elves are so ubiquitous, it's nice to see something different.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I think the DA3 elves look wonderful; distinct enough to obviously not be human, yet less highly stylized than the DA2 elves. I didn't *dislike* the DA2 elves, I just thought the art style shift in DA2 benefited them the least, though to be fair, the weird look of skin and eyes in DA2 didn't help matters.

This will be my first DA game where I play an elven protagonist as my primary PC, so we'll see what I think of it then

[Deebo305]

Still no facial hair male elves...you continue to disappoint but I'm not much for playing elves anyway. They do look improved though

[kinderschlager]

according to ninja stan, this: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/17491481

belongs here, lol

Modifié par kinderschlager, 27 octobre 2013 - 09:17 .

[bEVEsthda]

Led Guardian wrote...

I'm going to miss the DA2 elves. They were different. Not everything has to seem sexually attractive to be good design. The DA2 elves as far as I'm concerned were good because they didn't look human or particularly attractive a lot of the time. Despite what the OP may think, The new designs just look like pointy-eared humans. It's not going to bother me that they changed them to this, but it would have been cool if they'd stuck with a more distinct design. Elves are so ubiquitous, it's nice to see something different.

The DA2 design was crude and offensive. An unenlighted and uneducated effort in being "different", solely for the sake of difference. It's not just that the design poop all over DA:O art (which is an unforgivable sin) and general lore. There are not many humans around who do not immediately sense that there is something wrong and unnatural about the ears, for instance. They are not only aestethically offensive, but also biologically offensive. Ears have their outer shape for reasons, to increase sensitivity and aid in stereo hearing, judging the direction a sound comes from. Ears elongated backwards, like DA2 elves, have no sensible function. They should point upwards. Think of the pointy direction of the ears as the axis of circular plane segments, representing the sensivity of hearing. Look at a dog, horse, rabbit or dear, they bring their ears up vertically in order to scan the horisontal plane around them. What's ahead of them and behind them.

The rest of the design, I would call uninspired and a lazy rip-off of the Navi.

[Dominus]

I'll vote for it. They look as what you might expect for an elf - slender and elegant. And as said before, it's a major upgrade from Dragon Age 2.

Is it just me or they look a lot like the Witcher 2 elves?

Slightly, but it doesn't seem like a major inspiration.

[Newschmoo]

I love the look of the DAI elves. I think the female in particular has a graceful look about her and she looks quite beautiful. I have to admit that the elves are my favourite race to play in DAO and I will probably have an elf as my first Inquisitor.

I have to admit that I wasn't keen on the DA2 elves. I think for me it was the eyes, they just seemed a bit out of proportion.

I can understand some people who said the elves shouldn't look like humans with pointy ears, but I think for me it was about getting the proportions in the face right. I think the pictures of the DAI elves have it about right.

[Chari]

Plaintiff wrote...

Gileadan wrote...

LegateLeviticus wrote...
Weak argument, there is a dwarf in the blooming rose, because he's there I assume I'm supposed to find him attractive, as well as every other hooker. It's not a flaw that I didn't, the only prostitute I remember either way was the elf tranny, which I don't think counts.

Tertiary characters are a weak argument. When it comes down to it, I find Merril vastly more attractive than Isabella and avelline.

Where is the connection between the presence of a dwarf and the severe lack of attractiveness of all the female elves at the Blooming Rose? No, you may not be expected to find the dwarf attractive, but you know, maybe the place has dwarven customers too? The game never states that humans find dwarves attractive, but it does so for elves, and the reality of the game does not match the statements it makes there.

Tertiary characters represent the "average" of the race in question, elves in this case. The game states that elves are attractive to humans, so the average elf should be just that, but obviously, clearly, isn't.

Merril was specially designed to be a romance and more attractive than the average elf. But why is that so? Because she's suffering *less* from the elven redesign. Her ears don't have the same angle, she doesn't have the obvious shark fin nose that many "average" elves have, and her giraffe neck is cleverly hidden under that scarf.

The 'game' never states any such thing. Zevran said once that elves have a reputation as beautiful individuals. Anyone who's experienced highschool should know full well that 'reputation' is not the same as 'actual objective truth'.

And since Thedas is a fantasy world, it's not beholden to the beauty standards of any real-world audience.

Actually it was noted quite often in games and books. Not only Zevran, but Lelianna said that too. In the books it was plainly said that elves are considered to be super hot by human standards
Learn lore

[frostajulie]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Anything is better than the DA2 models.

agreed

[Wulfram]

It's kind of odd that elves are regarded as attractive, though. You'd think elvish looks would be seen as inferior, because of their (absence of) social standing.

[grumpymooselion]

Maybe I'm the minority here, but I liked the direction of the more alien/odd looking elves that had significant visual distinction beyond, "Humans with pointy ears." These examples of Inquisition Elves are representative of the very thing I wanted Fantasy to get away from. I find the DA:I examples of Elves to look massively generic, the typical Human with pointy ears.

I know DA2 wasn't perfect, in many eyes, but I think it really did have the right idea of getting away from the traditional and generic both visually and story, where it tried to get away from the, "Hero faces the dark ______." The Elves were one of the things that DA2 got right, in my mind, strange and alien looking, but distinct and recognizable at the same time.

[theflyingzamboni]

bEVEsthda wrote...

Led Guardian wrote...

I'm going to miss the DA2 elves. They were different. Not everything has to seem sexually attractive to be good design. The DA2 elves as far as I'm concerned were good because they didn't look human or particularly attractive a lot of the time. Despite what the OP may think, The new designs just look like pointy-eared humans. It's not going to bother me that they changed them to this, but it would have been cool if they'd stuck with a more distinct design. Elves are so ubiquitous, it's nice to see something different.

The DA2 design was crude and offensive. An unenlighted and uneducated effort in being "different", solely for the sake of difference. It's not just that the design poop all over DA:O art (which is an unforgivable sin) and general lore. There are not many humans around who do not immediately sense that there is something wrong and unnatural about the ears, for instance. They are not only aestethically offensive, but also biologically offensive. Ears have their outer shape for reasons, to increase sensitivity and aid in stereo hearing, judging the direction a sound comes from. Ears elongated backwards, like DA2 elves, have no sensible function. They should point upwards. Think of the pointy direction of the ears as the axis of circular plane segments, representing the sensivity of hearing. Look at a dog, horse, rabbit or dear, they bring their ears up vertically in order to scan the horisontal plane around them. What's ahead of them and behind them.

The rest of the design, I would call uninspired and a lazy rip-off of the Navi.

Offensive? It doesn't take much to offend you, does it? The fact that they immediately seem unusual is a point in there favor I think. I return to my point on other species not needing to look human.

And if you're worried about the biology to the degree that ear angle bothers you, fantasy may be the wrong genre for you. You're comparison with the Na'vi, at least, I can see. The similarity occurred to me when I first played DA2. It doesn't prevent me from preferring less human-looking elves in DA, though. Especially more than the DA:O elves. I'm fine with less human appearance, but what was up with those indented foreheads whenever I tried to make an elf character?

[nightscrawl]

I had seen various comments around the forums about the new elf look but had yet to see it, thanks for the pics, OP. I think they look fine. I'm curious to see these in full color with some movement, and also to see some difference between city/Dalish.

Filament wrote...

devSin wrote...

Filament wrote...

I like that the male elf is smiling, unlike every other race/gender combo.

Probably drooling too, judging by the expression.

I don't see anything "derpy" about the expression.

Me either, to me it looks like he is speaking.

[bEVEsthda]

Led Guardian wrote...
The fact that they immediately seem unusual is a point in there favor I think. I return to my point on other species not needing to look human.

And if you're worried about the biology to the degree that ear angle bothers you, fantasy may be the wrong genre for you.

Well, yes, and all that. I understand your perspective.
Be as it may with that, good or bad, the point that people instinctively recognizes it as being something wrong, still holds.

[Shadow Fox]

Um how were DA2 Elves unique exactly?To me they look like anime Elves.

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 27 octobre 2013 - 09:59 .

[ruggly]

I think the dwarf improved the most, actually. But the Elves look a lot better than their DA2 counterparts.

[Mornmagor]

I never liked Dragon Age Elves in general, i'm afraid. I don't see how Inquisition will change that.

Modifié par Kuroi Kishin, 27 octobre 2013 - 11:19 .

[DarthSideus2]

The best in the series so far. Reminds me of LoTR Elves.

Modifié par DarthSideus2, 28 octobre 2013 - 06:45 .

[WillPF363]

Deebo305 wrote...

Still no facial hair male elves...you continue to disappoint but I'm not much for playing elves anyway. They do look improved though

Dragon Age elves don't have facial or body hair according to the lore. 


EDIT:  Or at least that was the impression I was under.  Now that I'm looking, though, I can't find a specific instance of that being confirmed.

Modifié par WillPF363, 28 octobre 2013 - 03:13 .

[Plaintiff]

Chari wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Gileadan wrote...

LegateLeviticus wrote...
Weak argument, there is a dwarf in the blooming rose, because he's there I assume I'm supposed to find him attractive, as well as every other hooker. It's not a flaw that I didn't, the only prostitute I remember either way was the elf tranny, which I don't think counts.

Tertiary characters are a weak argument. When it comes down to it, I find Merril vastly more attractive than Isabella and avelline.

Where is the connection between the presence of a dwarf and the severe lack of attractiveness of all the female elves at the Blooming Rose? No, you may not be expected to find the dwarf attractive, but you know, maybe the place has dwarven customers too? The game never states that humans find dwarves attractive, but it does so for elves, and the reality of the game does not match the statements it makes there.

Tertiary characters represent the "average" of the race in question, elves in this case. The game states that elves are attractive to humans, so the average elf should be just that, but obviously, clearly, isn't.

Merril was specially designed to be a romance and more attractive than the average elf. But why is that so? Because she's suffering *less* from the elven redesign. Her ears don't have the same angle, she doesn't have the obvious shark fin nose that many "average" elves have, and her giraffe neck is cleverly hidden under that scarf.

The 'game' never states any such thing. Zevran said once that elves have a reputation as beautiful individuals. Anyone who's experienced highschool should know full well that 'reputation' is not the same as 'actual objective truth'.

And since Thedas is a fantasy world, it's not beholden to the beauty standards of any real-world audience.

Actually it was noted quite often in games and books. Not only Zevran, but Lelianna said that too. In the books it was plainly said that elves are considered to be super hot by human standards
Learn lore

I'll say it again: That elves have a 'reputation' for being beautiful is not the same as them actually being beautiful, especially since 'beauty' is highly subjective.

And since Thedas is a fantasy world, it's not beholden to the beauty standards of any real-world audience. That you or anyone else personally finds the DA2 elves to be 'ugly' is utterly irrelevent to their reputation within the context of their fictional universe.

[HiroVoid]

http://images1.wikia...6/NPC-Sarel.jpg

Sarel from Dragon Age: Origins seemed to have some facial hair going on here.

[Reaverwind]

Kuroi Kishin wrote...

I never liked Dragon Age Elves in general, i'm afraid. I don't see how Inquisition will change that.

Appearance, or the concept?

[Fatin]

sweet