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[Zack_Nero]

Rawgrim wrote...

Zack_Nero wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Maybe the Dragon Age ends after the third game. Making room for a new Age and a new IP.

No, each age is about 100 years, and in Dragon Age time, I think it is at year 40 - 45, but certainly not higher then 50.

Doesn`t mean they can`t jump 50 years forwards with the next game.

Well, Mike Laidlaw did say that they had a five game plan, and I think that they'll have the name "Dragon Age" in that title.

Modifié par Zack_Nero, 24 août 2013 - 03:42 .

[Korusus]

ElitePinecone wrote...

If they're treating it as a reinvention, might we see some of the gameplay pillars change? How far do they have to push a Dragon Age game before it's enough to call it a new IP and a new direction for the series?

Pretty sure DA2 was different enough from DA:O to warrant that description.  Also Frank Gibeau is an EA corporate suit, not a game developer.  His audience is not gamers, its investors.

[Battlebloodmage]

Aside from Marketing, maybe there would be more focus on open-world. At least, that is what I hope based on what they said about Skyrim influence.

[Maria Caliban]

I wanted to answer, but I clicked the link and saw that awesome Mirror's Edge screenshot, so now that's all I can think about.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 août 2013 - 03:46 .

[Zack_Nero]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I wanted to answer, but I clicked the link and saw that awesome Mirror's Edge screenshot, so now that's all I can think about.

Yea, I don't blame you.

[Fast Jimmy]

I'm going to try and use this logic for my bills. "I'm making a new payment this month. It's technically the payment I made last month, but I'm going to act like its a new payment and see who gets suckered."

[Maria Caliban]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Growing your audience is good business, I suppose.

But my question was more about what these comments mean for the direction of the game, if it *is* more than just a marketing slogan.

If they're treating it as a reinvention, might we see some of the gameplay pillars change? How far do they have to push a Dragon Age game before it's enough to call it a new IP and a new direction for the series?

Poor Pinecone, everyone ignoring the actual question you're asking.

He includes Mirror's Edge 2 and Star Wars: Battlefronts with DA:I in the 'new IP.' I'm going to guess what he means is they're going to try to push them as reinventions or reinvigorations of the series.

This likely means open world gameplay but they also might be pushing the PC action, letting you treat your companions more like the squadmates in ME 3.

[TuringPoint]

If you're keeping up with the late Game Informer articles, there's a lot of stuff there about what's a continuation and what's different.  Why worry about it when it's right in front of you?

Modifié par Alocormin, 24 août 2013 - 03:57 .

[TuringPoint]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Korusus wrote...

Pretty sure DA2 was different enough from DA:O to warrant that description.  Also Frank Gibeau is an EA corporate suit, not a game developer.  His audience is not gamers, its investors.

To be fair, the man started out as a tester, and according to an interview I read a few weeks ago he plays ALL their games before they're released, so he's not a complete suit.

But in this instance, the context is not that he's speaking to gamers' concerns.  Why read it that way?

[Maria Caliban]

He's not speaking to gamers' concerns. He's talking about how EA is going to utilize some of its IPs on the next generation of consoles.

The best time to launch a new IP is when a new console hits. People are much more interested in trying something new at that time. He's saying they're going to market these existing IPs as something new(ish) and try to refresh the audience.

[Zack_Nero]

Alocormin wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Korusus wrote...

Pretty sure DA2 was different enough from DA:O to warrant that description.  Also Frank Gibeau is an EA corporate suit, not a game developer.  His audience is not gamers, its investors.

To be fair, the man started out as a tester, and according to an interview I read a few weeks ago he plays ALL their games before they're released, so he's not a complete suit.

But in this instance, the context is not that he's speaking to gamers' concerns.  Why read it that way?

Because many people that are fans of certain things are willing to read anything that would give them any information on something that they really want to know.  Also other people might hold different interest in certain things.

[Savber100]

Maybe the "new approach" is finally allowing Bioware to develop their games in 3-4 year span rather than the constant, rushed 1-2 years...

Yeah.. I can dream.

[fiveforchaos]

TK514 wrote...

Sounds like the usual executive garbage. Like saying the third installment is a great place for new players to jump into the series.

To be fair, it'll probably be way easier for a new player to jump into DA:I than it was for someone to jump into ME3 with no prior exposeur. 

[wsowen02]

Been waiting for this shoe to drop. I expect to hear a lot about "broader audiences", "streamlining" and "Skyrim players" in the coming months. They might even trip up and mention "Call of Duty players" too.

Modifié par wsowen02, 24 août 2013 - 05:47 .

[deuce985]

It's so reinvented that it's like a new IP. I think that's what he's saying. I can kinda see it. With the emergence of Skyrim dominating the market EA wants that pie. No doubt DA:I and Witcher 3 took a lot of inspiration from Skyrim. They both think they know why Skyrim sold so well. Let's see who grabs the bigger market. Me? I'm just going to enjoy 2 AAA RPGs. You don't get many of those in one year. In fact, I can't remember a year so ridiculous for RPG gaming. I will have an empty wallet for 2014.

How open will DA:I be? That's my biggest question right now.

[Sejborg]

Is this another way of saying that savegames and previous choices will not cary over to this "new IP"?

Bioware said there were working on a way to have choices carry over. Perhaps it just didn't work, and now they are scratching all choices, and calling it a new IP.

[Renmiri1]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I won't mince words--that's bizarre, and sounds kind of stupid.

Heh, it's marketing speak

He could have said "whiter whites" or "fresh scent" and it would have meant the same: gibberish to drum up excitement for the product

[cindercatz]

He's just saying that DA:I, from a gameplay and features perspective, not story, is reinventing the Dragon Age brand for the next generation of consoles, which it is. DA:I is a (thankfully) drastic departure from DA2 in a lot of ways. So from a financial/ branding/ marketing standpoint, they're treating it more as a new IP, because the idea is to build a foundation that's more successful now and has more upside than a standard mildly evolving iteration of what we saw in DA2 or even DA:O would. And that would justify a higher production and marketing budget than what might otherwise be approved, so I'm very thankful they're choosing to treat it that way. Also, it signals they have every intention of continuing to make more Dragon Age games, rather than looking at it as a potential cut-off point.

So this is good. Let's not make it out to be a negative.

[The Elder King]

Savber100 wrote...

Maybe the "new approach" is finally allowing Bioware to develop their games in 3-4 year span rather than the constant, rushed 1-2 years...

Yeah.. I can dream.

DAI will have more than 3 years of development. It seems good to me, though we should wait and see when the new ME game and the new IP will be released.

[Fast Jimmy]

cindercatz wrote...

He's just saying that DA:I, from a gameplay and features perspective, not story, is reinventing the Dragon Age brand for the next generation of consoles, which it is. DA:I is a (thankfully) drastic departure from DA2 in a lot of ways. So from a financial/ branding/ marketing standpoint, they're treating it more as a new IP, because the idea is to build a foundation that's more successful now and has more upside than a standard mildly evolving iteration of what we saw in DA2 or even DA:O would. And that would justify a higher production and marketing budget than what might otherwise be approved, so I'm very thankful they're choosing to treat it that way. Also, it signals they have every intention of continuing to make more Dragon Age games, rather than looking at it as a potential cut-off point.

So this is good. Let's not make it out to be a negative.

I'm not sure many saw it as a negative. Just as a rather silly comment. 

[Mykel54]

What i understood from it is that the previous games were the "old approach", which EA is not satisfied with anymore (they want more money), so the new approach is to give a facelift to the series in order to appeal to a bigger playerbase, and thus sell more, and get more money.

I interpret it as basically saying: "Our past games were too niche and did not sell enough, we are changing the formula to appeal to more people". Considering that DA2 did indeed sell poorly, it is no wonder that the natural reaction is to change things.

Modifié par Mykel54, 24 août 2013 - 11:07 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

Is this another way of saying that savegames and previous choices will not cary over to this "new IP"?

Bioware said there were working on a way to have choices carry over. Perhaps it just didn't work, and now they are scratching all choices, and calling it a new IP.

I think you're reading too much into this. The audience being addressed doesn't care if players can import their choices into DA: I or not, they care if DA: I is going to make buckets and buckets of money. 'New IP with a new approach' is just marketing speak to try and reassure them that the buckets of money will be forthcoming. I don't think it indicates anything about the game that the players would find meaningful, although it might tell us something about the marketing direction.

[Fast Jimmy]

Mykel54 wrote...

What i understood from it is that the previous games were the "old approach", which EA is not satisfied with anymore (they want more money), so the new approach is to give a facelift to the series in order to appeal to a bigger playerbase, and thus sell more, and get more money.

I interpret it as basically saying: "Our past games were too niche and did not sell enough, we are changing the formula to appeal to more people". Considering that DA2 did indeed sell poorly, it is no wonder that the natural reaction is to change things.

When you fix your car because it is broken, do you tell people you bought a new car?

Because that is exactly what EA is doing.

[Star fury]

Didn't they already invented "a new IP with a new approach" in DA2? It was spectacularly successful.