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[KC_Prototype]

I support this a 110%. Let us see the expressions on are character's faces and in their actions. I wanted see us get mad, happy, sad, angry, confused, laugh, flirt, etc.

[TuringPoint]

I was also thinking, but didn't get around to suggesting, that these emotions could have a relationship with the tone of the character as it has been roleplayed so far.

[Fredward]

KiwiQuiche wrote...
She goes around and verbally attacks her whole crew. That's incredibly childish and unprofessional of her.

Yes, I would prefer that, after than shoehorned emotions. However after Thessia all the auto with crew was "angry" and with Joker you could use the dialogue wheel but it was "verbally attack" and "verbally attack". That is not something I want to see in DAI.

I know you disliked being forced to throw a "temper tantrum" but I really liked that if you chose the especially harsh "temper tantrum" Joker is actually mad at you for a while. That was cool. The eventual apology scene gave me warm fuzzies.

[metatheurgist]

I'd prefer for the game to react dynamically with something like emotiv monitoring and putting the correct reaction on the PC. Selecting something by controller seems a bit remote for an emotional reaction.

[Fredward]

metatheurgist wrote...

I'd prefer for the game to react dynamically with something like emotiv monitoring and putting the correct reaction on the PC. Selecting something by controller seems a bit remote for an emotional reaction.

What if you're not playing a self-insert though?

[Ieldra]

metatheurgist wrote...
I'd prefer for the game to react dynamically with something like emotiv monitoring and putting the correct reaction on the PC. Selecting something by controller seems a bit remote for an emotional reaction.

Let me tell you that my emotions aren't always my protagonists', for various reasons, including because I'm not the one experiencing the game's events directly. I also like to play different protagonists with different emotional predispositions.

I like the idea proposed by Sylvius the Mad. That's indeed how you do it. If you're confident in your selection or already know what will happen, you can let the scene flow with a dynamic selection from that new reaction wheel, if you want more time, you can pause the game there or set the game to auto-pause when a reaction wheel comes up.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 août 2013 - 07:07 .

[Caellis]

OMG yes, reaction wheel and interrupts pretty please ;w;

[Wulfram]

I'd rather Bioware stopped feeling the need to put in reaction shots of the PC when there's any real doubt as to what that reaction would be, really.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

metatheurgist wrote...

I'd prefer for the game to react dynamically with something like emotiv monitoring and putting the correct reaction on the PC. Selecting something by controller seems a bit remote for an emotional reaction.

What if you're not playing a self-insert though?

Exactly.  How I feel about something may bear no resemblance at all to how my character feels.

[cindercatz]

Ideally, there'd be a timed reaction wheel (with enough time to select without impeding on the scene), and a central pause section if you need it, which would then bring up Sylvius' thing. That's not bad.

To me, that's no different than hitting pause at any other time, or in the middle of a movie or whatever, because you have to get up right then, somebody comes in talking, etc. So I don't think it breaks the scene for those of us absorbed in it to have an optional pause & select. And if we want to play it real time, we just don't hit the pause and choose our reaction and it plays on. That's a simple, elegant solution I think, as long as we know there will be variable cut-scenes around our selections like that.

In fact, it'd be nice to have that central pause option every time the wheel comes up.

[Wulfram]

Wouldn't having to hastily press x to be sad just feel weird?

Allowing pausing might not help much - it just changes things to having to hurriedly press pause.

Timed stuff can make sense for a quick decisive action, whether a punch or a kiss, it creates a connection between the in game action and the action of the player. But for something like being upset, it seems like it would create a disconnect.

You could have the prompt flash up with lots of run in time, but I still doubt it will work - the player's instinct will still be to instantly jump on the prompt, because they don't know how long they'll have. And having that prompt flash on the screen seems like it would be very distracting in what's presumably supposed to be an emotional scene.

[The Qun & the Damned]

fiveforchaos wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Zu Long, Shepard already throws a temper tantrum like a child after Thessia by default. Forced emotions tend to irritate people if they don't care about what their PC is going into a fit about.

But yes, I wouldn't mind some spontaneous punching. A lotta people need those in the DA verse.

Yeah, those of my character who spared Anders, and maybe even agreed with him, still wanted the opportunity to punch him for being an idiot. 

I would have abused the hell out of that privelage. Anders, Petrice, the mages AND the templars, and Orsino. Merideth's face might have broken Hawke's hand, most likely. Sometimes Fenris, the "I hate you all, I was slave" bit can sometimes be very teeth grating.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No good no timing and me paragon or renegade reactions you never know what happen you character for example i thought when i talked with tali that shepard comfort her if i click paragon reaction her but shepard hugged her i thought he will say something nice and in dlc paragon shepard hits guy lol.

But i want have more control over my character i don't want hawke or shepard who have own personality and for example game always think that i care about hawke mother or i belive in maker like diplomatic hawke or like they did in awakening that my character automatically kneels before alistair for my chaotic character that was WTF moment so i don't want such thing either.

[DatOneFanboy]

As long as there is more then 2 Options, Would be pretty typical bioware to do the, ' Good aka Sad Option ' and The 'bad aka Angry option'

[Wulfram]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Sylvius mentioned an auto-pause option, which solves this entire problem.

But adds the additional problem of whether you want to put the scene on hold for a rather minor input   Which Bioware are obviously reluctant to do even for what I'd consider rather more significant stuff.

[cindercatz]

I wouldn't want it to be a binary or two plus neutral kind of thing. I'd rather it stay a Dragon Age style characterization tool, rather than be used like a ME style snap decision moment. It should use a set of familiar graphics to quickly reference and choose, though.

Wulfram wrote...

Wouldn't having to hastily press x to be sad just feel weird?

Allowing pausing might not help much - it just changes things to having to hurriedly press pause.

Timed stuff can make sense for a quick decisive action, whether a punch or a kiss, it creates a connection between the in game action and the action of the player. But for something like being upset, it seems like it would create a disconnect.

You could have the prompt flash up with lots of run in time, but I still doubt it will work - the player's instinct will still be to instantly jump on the prompt, because they don't know how long they'll have. And having that prompt flash on the screen seems like it would be very distracting in what's presumably supposed to be an emotional scene.

I definitely don't want the rushed triggers from Mass Effect, but in certain scenes, a timed wheel wouldn't be a problem, I don't think. Just put a timer ring around it (a little border that changes color around the ring, clockwise or counter). I would only allow it if you have a scene where you can allow say around two seconds to choose. And then if you need to hit the pause, you hit it, and if you're just kind of stunned, do nothing and you'll get that reaction. Something like that.

I wouldn't want it to be a huge distracting thing in the middle of the screen like a lot of QTEs are, just something down at the bottom that you can quickly pop to your face selection and hit it, no words. If you pause, you get a little clarifying option that comes out if you want it, I guess. They're doing something like that for regular dialogue choices anyway. I don't like it to auto-pause because you end up with a choppy scene for people that want to enjoy it in real time, but I don't think it hurts to have it available.

I prefer the wheel because it's the familiar mechanic, and players should be comfortable quickly refering to it and making a selection over the course of regular gameplay. I prefer to have the longer lead time for it because I don't want to have extra tension around the gameplay mechanic like there was for me in Mass Effect. Having to make a decision too quickly turns it into a reflex more than a choice.

Modifié par cindercatz, 24 août 2013 - 10:24 .

[Wulfram]

EntropicAngel wrote...

What? no they aren't. Every scene that involves your character talking pauses indefinitely for the dialog wheel. Bioware is, as far as we know, perfectly okay with that. How is this any different?

If they were really OK with that, they wouldn't be putting in auto-dialogue.  There's a balance of getting scenes to flow properly and allowing the player to have the necessary control of the character.

I'm quite opposed to auto-dialogue, but I don't think it's worth interrupting things for an expression that they could generally  just not show.

[slimgrin]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

metatheurgist wrote...

I'd prefer for the game to react dynamically with something like emotiv monitoring and putting the correct reaction on the PC. Selecting something by controller seems a bit remote for an emotional reaction.

What if you're not playing a self-insert though?

Exactly.  How I feel about something may bear no resemblance at all to how my character feels.

Won't work for a TP game and you know it. They have to implement this aspect into cutscenes. 

[fchopin]

I don't want any dialogue interrupts or timed dialogues as i don't want my character to behave in any way until i tell him on how to react.

I want to enjoy the game and not try to see some rubbish on the screen that tells me to press O for Oven P for Petra or i will miss out.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Although I like ME, I do not want DA to get any more features from ME. It's already bad enough that I have to deal with the silly dialogue wheel. So, please, no interrupts. This is DA and not a ME with swords. I rather wish DA has its own identity.

I'm not in favor of the OP's proposition. I rather have the energy put in that idea directed to something useful.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 25 août 2013 - 12:00 .