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[VampireSoap]

From what we've seen or heard in DAO and DA2, even an untrained mage can easily dispatch a few mortals with his/her mind! But I've also noticed that the number of mages in one tower seems to be appoximately equal to the number of templars...Why is that?? Maybe that's why later on the mages are able to rebel against the chantry so easily? They must have overpowered their jailers and escaped into the countryside in groups which leading to the story of Inquisition...Maybe the chantry should've trained more templars in the beginning

Modifié par VampireSoap, 24 août 2013 - 04:29 .

[Zack_Nero]

You know that is a good question, but templars does have certain skills that allow them to disrupt magical talents.

[Mummy22kids]

Well from what I saw in DAO Templar skills like Holy Smite are very powerful. They can disable a group of abominations quite easily.

[n7stormrunner]

the answer is you saw wrong. a untrained mage can't really do anything on purpose, and I would imagine most mages aren't combat trained at except what is needed to keep from lighting themselves on fire. templars are trained to counter mages. while an abomination can tear through them most mages are helpless without blood magic or demonic help. if nothing else because they are told from a very young age they are mind games are never to be underestimated

[KiwiQuiche]

Mages are brainwashed daily into thinking they are horrid monsters who deserve to be locked up and should never be proud of their abilities or think of themselves as deserving freedom or equal treatment. Never underestimate propaganda.

[Shadow Fox]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Mages are brainwashed daily into thinking they are horrid monsters who deserve to be locked up and should never be proud of their abilities or think of themselves as deserving freedom or equal treatment. Never underestimate propaganda.

Except the KC called magic a gift.

[Sol Downer]

One sword swing drains your mana, one burst of energy takes all of your mana, and you'll find their willpower quite powerful. Mages just can't really fight templars in a one-on-one battle. Of course that means that they probably just all got together and combined their abilities, which makes more than enough force to escape anything.

[KiwiQuiche]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Mages are brainwashed daily into thinking they are horrid monsters who deserve to be locked up and should never be proud of their abilities or think of themselves as deserving freedom or equal treatment. Never underestimate propaganda.

Except the KC called magic a gift.

You use that acronym like I'm supposed to automatically know what it is.

[Shadow Fox]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Mages are brainwashed daily into thinking they are horrid monsters who deserve to be locked up and should never be proud of their abilities or think of themselves as deserving freedom or equal treatment. Never underestimate propaganda.

Except the KC called magic a gift.

You use that acronym like I'm supposed to automatically know what it is.

Knight Commander.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

From a lore perspective I really don't like how no one has ever explained how Templars are able to disrupt magic. The only people who should be able to disrupt magic are mages because they you know have magic. You might be able to say the reason they have the ability to disrupt magic is because they're bodies are filled with Lyrium and that naturally interferes with magic and they learn how to properly direct the Lyrium's field of affect but its been stated that Lyrium doesn't do anything but make Templars drug addicts so that theory goes up in smoke.

Humans can't fly and no matter how hard you try or how you train you're not going to be able to somehow disrupt a bird's ability to fly with your body. Outside of hitting it. The idea that a mundane can do something to interfere with something they don't have the ability to utilize in any way shape or form is to me idiot.

[Sol Downer]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

From a lore perspective I really don't like how no one has ever explained how Templars are able to disrupt magic. The only people who should be able to disrupt magic are mages because they you know have magic. You might be able to say the reason they have the ability to disrupt magic is because they're bodies are filled with Lyrium and that naturally interferes with magic and they learn how to properly direct the Lyrium's field of affect but its been stated that Lyrium doesn't do anything but make Templars drug addicts so that theory goes up in smoke.

Humans can't fly and no matter how hard you try or how you train you're not going to be able to somehow disrupt a bird's ability to fly with your body. Outside of hitting it. The idea that a mundane can do something to interfere with something they don't have the ability to utilize in any way shape or form is to me idiot.

Templars are using magic. Don't you remember Alistair saying "Something like that..." when you asked about it?

[Cainhurst Crow]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Mages are brainwashed daily into thinking they are horrid monsters who deserve to be locked up and should never be proud of their abilities or think of themselves as deserving freedom or equal treatment. Never underestimate propaganda.

This statement is 95.8% bovine fecal matter, and .8 percent factual information.

[n7stormrunner]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

From a lore perspective I really don't like how no one has ever explained how Templars are able to disrupt magic. The only people who should be able to disrupt magic are mages because they you know have magic. You might be able to say the reason they have the ability to disrupt magic is because they're bodies are filled with Lyrium and that naturally interferes with magic and they learn how to properly direct the Lyrium's field of affect but its been stated that Lyrium doesn't do anything but make Templars drug addicts so that theory goes up in smoke.

Humans can't fly and no matter how hard you try or how you train you're not going to be able to somehow disrupt a bird's ability to fly with your body. Outside of hitting it. The idea that a mundane can do something to interfere with something they don't have the ability to utilize in any way shape or form is to me idiot.

you mean like when the warden can say "it's magic" and alistair more or less agreeing except thatit only works on mages.

[KiwiQuiche]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Mages are brainwashed daily into thinking they are horrid monsters who deserve to be locked up and should never be proud of their abilities or think of themselves as deserving freedom or equal treatment. Never underestimate propaganda.

This statement is 95.8% bovine fecal matter, and .8 percent factual information.

Your jackass is showing.

Mages are told constantly magic is to serve man, never rule over. There's an entire religion- the most popular one in Thedas- which is all 'mages are evil'. They are locked up in fancy prisons, watched 24/7 by heavily armed drug addicts and constantly told how they're dangerous, borderline sub-human monsters all the time. And you don't think that's propaganda and degrading?

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Mages
are brainwashed daily into thinking they are horrid monsters who
deserve to be locked up and should never be proud of their abilities or
think of themselves as deserving freedom or equal treatment. Never
underestimate propaganda.

Except the KC called magic a gift.

You use that acronym like I'm supposed to automatically know what it is.

Knight Commander.

Which one?

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 24 août 2013 - 05:17 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Ultimashade wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

From a lore perspective I really don't like how no one has ever explained how Templars are able to disrupt magic. The only people who should be able to disrupt magic are mages because they you know have magic. You might be able to say the reason they have the ability to disrupt magic is because they're bodies are filled with Lyrium and that naturally interferes with magic and they learn how to properly direct the Lyrium's field of affect but its been stated that Lyrium doesn't do anything but make Templars drug addicts so that theory goes up in smoke.

Humans can't fly and no matter how hard you try or how you train you're not going to be able to somehow disrupt a bird's ability to fly with your body. Outside of hitting it. The idea that a mundane can do something to interfere with something they don't have the ability to utilize in any way shape or form is to me idiot.

Templars are using magic. Don't you remember Alistair saying "Something like that..." when you asked about it?

Templars shouldn't be able to use magic because they aren't mages. Unless the idea is their abilities come from rune that create the magic and all the Templars do is direct it but otherwise they shouldn't be able to generate magic at all because they don't have that connection to the Fade.

And no I don't find the brain trust that Alistair is and his amazing 'Something like that' as any kind of explanation.

[n7stormrunner]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

From a lore perspective I really don't like how no one has ever explained how Templars are able to disrupt magic. The only people who should be able to disrupt magic are mages because they you know have magic. You might be able to say the reason they have the ability to disrupt magic is because they're bodies are filled with Lyrium and that naturally interferes with magic and they learn how to properly direct the Lyrium's field of affect but its been stated that Lyrium doesn't do anything but make Templars drug addicts so that theory goes up in smoke.

Humans can't fly and no matter how hard you try or how you train you're not going to be able to somehow disrupt a bird's ability to fly with your body. Outside of hitting it. The idea that a mundane can do something to interfere with something they don't have the ability to utilize in any way shape or form is to me idiot.

Templars are using magic. Don't you remember Alistair saying "Something like that..." when you asked about it?

Templars shouldn't be able to use magic because they aren't mages. Unless the idea is their abilities come from rune that create the magic and all the Templars do is direct it but otherwise they shouldn't be able to generate magic at all because they don't have that connection to the Fade.

And no I don't find the brain trust that Alistair is and his amazing 'Something like that' as any kind of explanation.

everyone is connected to the fade how do you thing the go their when the sleep, mages are just abit more so then everyone else that and they can be aware in the fade.

Modifié par n7stormrunner, 24 août 2013 - 05:26 .

[AresKeith]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Mages are brainwashed daily into thinking they are horrid monsters who deserve to be locked up and should never be proud of their abilities or think of themselves as deserving freedom or equal treatment. Never underestimate propaganda.

This statement is 95.8% bovine fecal matter, and .8 percent factual information.

Your jackass is showing.

Mages are told constantly magic is to serve man, never rule over. There's an entire religion- the most popular one in Thedas- which is all 'mages are evil'. They are locked up in fancy prisons, watched 24/7 by heavily armed drug addicts and constantly told how they're dangerous, borderline sub-human monsters all the time. And you don't think that's propaganda and degrading?

Hopefully your Inquisition can change things 

Though I would still reform the Circle with changes of course

[Maria Caliban]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

From a lore perspective I really don't like how no one has ever explained how Templars are able to disrupt magic.

Non-mages can have magical abilities. Did you not notice the Warrior specialization where you can absorb the life force of your enemies?

Mages cast spells by channeling energies from the Fade. We know every living creature is in contact with the Fade. Mages take lyrium to increase their mana. Tempars need lyrium to utilize their abilities*.

There even seem to be magical animals.

* And before anyone mentiones Alistiar, he's a Theirin. They've revealed his bloodline is super magical and revives dragons or something. That's the reason he didn't need lyrium.

[KiwiQuiche]

AresKeith wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Mages are brainwashed daily into thinking they are horrid monsters who deserve to be locked up and should never be proud of their abilities or think of themselves as deserving freedom or equal treatment. Never underestimate propaganda.

This statement is 95.8% bovine fecal matter, and .8 percent factual information.

Your jackass is showing.

Mages are told constantly magic is to serve man, never rule over. There's an entire religion- the most popular one in Thedas- which is all 'mages are evil'. They are locked up in fancy prisons, watched 24/7 by heavily armed drug addicts and constantly told how they're dangerous, borderline sub-human monsters all the time. And you don't think that's propaganda and degrading?

Hopefully your Inquisition can change things 

Though I would still reform the Circle with changes of course

Agreed; I would like the Circle's a lot more if they were like Boarding Schools- Hogwarts style or something. I wouldn't mind being able to do that in DAI.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

n7stormrunner wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

From a lore perspective I really don't like how no one has ever explained how Templars are able to disrupt magic. The only people who should be able to disrupt magic are mages because they you know have magic. You might be able to say the reason they have the ability to disrupt magic is because they're bodies are filled with Lyrium and that naturally interferes with magic and they learn how to properly direct the Lyrium's field of affect but its been stated that Lyrium doesn't do anything but make Templars drug addicts so that theory goes up in smoke.

Humans can't fly and no matter how hard you try or how you train you're not going to be able to somehow disrupt a bird's ability to fly with your body. Outside of hitting it. The idea that a mundane can do something to interfere with something they don't have the ability to utilize in any way shape or form is to me idiot.

Templars are using magic. Don't you remember Alistair saying "Something like that..." when you asked about it?

Templars shouldn't be able to use magic because they aren't mages. Unless the idea is their abilities come from rune that create the magic and all the Templars do is direct it but otherwise they shouldn't be able to generate magic at all because they don't have that connection to the Fade.

And no I don't find the brain trust that Alistair is and his amazing 'Something like that' as any kind of explanation.

everyone is counted to the fade how do you thing the go their when the sleep, mages are just abit more so then everyone else that and they can be aware in the fade.

No, dwarves can use the Templar abilities and they are completely cut off from the Fade so that argument doesn't hold water. There has never been any statement that people who aren't mages have the ability to use and generate magic on their own, never has that stated and the only mild gesture has come from man child that dropped out of the order.

Besides even if they could generate their own magic its no where near the level that mages would be capable of and yet we're suppose to believe that their 'magic' can utterly short out a mage's?

[Sol Downer]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

From a lore perspective I really don't like how no one has ever explained how Templars are able to disrupt magic. The only people who should be able to disrupt magic are mages because they you know have magic. You might be able to say the reason they have the ability to disrupt magic is because they're bodies are filled with Lyrium and that naturally interferes with magic and they learn how to properly direct the Lyrium's field of affect but its been stated that Lyrium doesn't do anything but make Templars drug addicts so that theory goes up in smoke.

Humans can't fly and no matter how hard you try or how you train you're not going to be able to somehow disrupt a bird's ability to fly with your body. Outside of hitting it. The idea that a mundane can do something to interfere with something they don't have the ability to utilize in any way shape or form is to me idiot.

Templars are using magic. Don't you remember Alistair saying "Something like that..." when you asked about it?

Templars shouldn't be able to use magic because they aren't mages. Unless the idea is their abilities come from rune that create the magic and all the Templars do is direct it but otherwise they shouldn't be able to generate magic at all because they don't have that connection to the Fade.

And no I don't find the brain trust that Alistair is and his amazing 'Something like that' as any kind of explanation.

everyone is counted to the fade how do you thing the go their when the sleep, mages are just abit more so then everyone else that and they can be aware in the fade.

No, dwarves can use the Templar abilities and they are completely cut off from the Fade so that argument doesn't hold water. There has never been any statement that people who aren't mages have the ability to use and generate magic on their own, never has that stated and the only mild gesture has come from man child that dropped out of the order.

Besides even if they could generate their own magic its no where near the level that mages would be capable of and yet we're suppose to believe that their 'magic' can utterly short out a mage's?

Uhm...yes? Mana Clash follows the same premise.

[Cainhurst Crow]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Mages are brainwashed daily into thinking they are horrid monsters who deserve to be locked up and should never be proud of their abilities or think of themselves as deserving freedom or equal treatment. Never underestimate propaganda.

This statement is 95.8% bovine fecal matter, and .8 percent factual information.

Your jackass is showing.

Mages are told constantly magic is to serve man, never rule over. There's an entire religion- the most popular one in Thedas- which is all 'mages are evil'. They are locked up in fancy prisons, watched 24/7 by heavily armed drug addicts and constantly told how they're dangerous, borderline sub-human monsters all the time. And you don't think that's propaganda and degrading?

So mages should allow magic to rule over them, and listen to what the whispering demons tell them to do in their dreams.

Good to know.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 24 août 2013 - 05:31 .

[The Hierophant]

I think the mechanics behind the Templars' powers are similar to ME's biotic abilities (lyrium = implant), but the main issue is how does drinking liquid lyrium grant someone the ability to negate magic when it's solid or powdered states don't produce that effect?

[Sol Downer]

The Hierophant wrote...

I think the mechanics behind the Templars' powers are similar to ME's biotic abilities (lyrium = implant), but the main issue is how does drinking liquid lyrium grant someone the ability to negate magic when it's solid or powdered states don't produce that effect?

Its solid state causes dementia in non-mages, and death in mages.

Modifié par Ultimashade, 24 août 2013 - 05:33 .

[n7stormrunner]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

No, dwarves can use the Templar abilities and they are completely cut off from the Fade so that argument doesn't hold water. There has never been any statement that people who aren't mages have the ability to use and generate magic on their own, never has that stated and the only mild gesture has come from man child that dropped out of the order.

Besides even if they could generate their own magic its no where near the level that mages would be capable of and yet we're suppose to believe that their 'magic' can utterly short out a mage's?

any that aren't player controlled? otherwise I'm going with gameplay and story segregation.