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[Shadow Fox]

*Watches Night/Blood Elf videos*

[TuringPoint]

Realmzmaster wrote...

The D & D description of elves have then shorter (4 ' 6" to 5' 6") than humans with pointed ears. The D & D elves were considered to be hauntingly beautiful to some of the other races.

I just finished reading the codex entries for DAO and no where do they say that the elves are beautiful. What the entries do say is that elves are a humanoid race. Elves are typically shorter than humans and have a slender, lithe build and pointed ears. So can someone point me to the codex. I may have missed it in my reading.

So the blame for the "accepted" definition of elf is more at the feet of Gygax than Tolkien.

Elves could be "beautiful" in DAO, and "haunting" beauty is implied by many comments about elven women in Dragon Age.  Part of this might come from my memory of the books of Dragon Age.  

DnD would've used Tolkien's world except for copyright, to some degree.  That's why there are halflings in DnD.

Modifié par Alocormin, 29 août 2013 - 05:09 .

[cjones91]

Faerunner wrote...

Does anyone like elves for their cultures, characters, or personalities?

Why do so many people care only about their looks and nothing else?

I find the DA elves to be interesting in terms of culture and unity,I wish people would see they are already different from other elves but all some can see is "humans with ears".

[MerchantGOL]

cjones91 wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Does anyone like elves for their cultures, characters, or personalities?

Why do so many people care only about their looks and nothing else?

I find the DA elves to be interesting in terms of culture and unity,I wish people would see they are already different from other elves but all some can see is "humans with ears".

Looks are just as important as "culture"  when it comes to fantasy races You think Asari would be as intresting as they are if they were just humans with blue skin, or Salarians were just Stock Grey aliens?

[cjones91]

MerchantGOL wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Does anyone like elves for their cultures, characters, or personalities?

Why do so many people care only about their looks and nothing else?

I find the DA elves to be interesting in terms of culture and unity,I wish people would see they are already different from other elves but all some can see is "humans with ears".

Looks are just as important as "culture"  when it comes to fantasy races You think Asari would be as intresting as they are if they were just humans with blue skin, or Salarians were just Stock Grey aliens?

It's the cultures that make those races interesting.Hell Asari are often derided for being Blue Skinned Space Babes but it's their culture that makes them stand out.DA elves have a interesting culture and changing how they look is just being vain.

[MerchantGOL]

cjones91 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Does anyone like elves for their cultures, characters, or personalities?

Why do so many people care only about their looks and nothing else?

I find the DA elves to be interesting in terms of culture and unity,I wish people would see they are already different from other elves but all some can see is "humans with ears".

Looks are just as important as "culture"  when it comes to fantasy races You think Asari would be as intresting as they are if they were just humans with blue skin, or Salarians were just Stock Grey aliens?

It's the cultures that make those races interesting.Hell Asari are often derided for being Blue Skinned Space Babes but it's their culture that makes them stand out.DA elves have a interesting culture and changing how they look is just being vain.

no its not, sorry but how some thing looks matters, in visual media, you can't just  Slap pointy ears on some thign and expect peopl to be impressed, people like to see soem thing new, This is called the fantasy genre, lets see some orginality.

hell even taking there culture into consieration DA elves aren't super unique.

[cjones91]

MerchantGOL wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Does anyone like elves for their cultures, characters, or personalities?

Why do so many people care only about their looks and nothing else?

I find the DA elves to be interesting in terms of culture and unity,I wish people would see they are already different from other elves but all some can see is "humans with ears".

Looks are just as important as "culture"  when it comes to fantasy races You think Asari would be as intresting as they are if they were just humans with blue skin, or Salarians were just Stock Grey aliens?

It's the cultures that make those races interesting.Hell Asari are often derided for being Blue Skinned Space Babes but it's their culture that makes them stand out.DA elves have a interesting culture and changing how they look is just being vain.

no its not, sorry but how some thing looks matters, in visual media, you can't just  Slap pointy ears on some thign and expect peopl to be impressed, people like to see soem thing new, This is called the fantasy genre, lets see some orginality.

hell even taking there culture into consieration DA elves aren't super unique.

If that's the case then you might want to complain about humans and dwarves because they aren't unique either.

[slimgrin]

MerchantGOL wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Does anyone like elves for their cultures, characters, or personalities?

Why do so many people care only about their looks and nothing else?

I find the DA elves to be interesting in terms of culture and unity,I wish people would see they are already different from other elves but all some can see is "humans with ears".

Looks are just as important as "culture"  when it comes to fantasy races You think Asari would be as intresting as they are if they were just humans with blue skin, or Salarians were just Stock Grey aliens?

It's the cultures that make those races interesting.Hell Asari are often derided for being Blue Skinned Space Babes but it's their culture that makes them stand out.DA elves have a interesting culture and changing how they look is just being vain.

no its not, sorry but how some thing looks matters, in visual media, you can't just  Slap pointy ears on some thign and expect peopl to be impressed, people like to see soem thing new, This is called the fantasy genre, lets see some orginality.

Originality does not = vulgarity. But you are one of three people in the universe who think DA2 had good art design. The other two being whoever invented Hot Rod Samurai, and I think Peter Moore, the head CEO of EA. So you're in good company.

Modifié par slimgrin, 29 août 2013 - 05:33 .

[MerchantGOL]

cjones91 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Does anyone like elves for their cultures, characters, or personalities?

Why do so many people care only about their looks and nothing else?

I find the DA elves to be interesting in terms of culture and unity,I wish people would see they are already different from other elves but all some can see is "humans with ears".

Looks are just as important as "culture"  when it comes to fantasy races You think Asari would be as intresting as they are if they were just humans with blue skin, or Salarians were just Stock Grey aliens?

It's the cultures that make those races interesting.Hell Asari are often derided for being Blue Skinned Space Babes but it's their culture that makes them stand out.DA elves have a interesting culture and changing how they look is just being vain.

no its not, sorry but how some thing looks matters, in visual media, you can't just  Slap pointy ears on some thign and expect peopl to be impressed, people like to see soem thing new, This is called the fantasy genre, lets see some orginality.

hell even taking there culture into consieration DA elves aren't super unique.

If that's the case then you might want to complain about humans and dwarves because they aren't unique either.

Humans aren't supposed to be unique, but your dead wrong about the Dwarves, Dwarves are gneraly not known for having Rigid Caste systems, and being Backstabbing Schemers, Oghren was a gneric Dwarf and he was a pariah of his people.

[MerchantGOL]

slimgrin wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Does anyone like elves for their cultures, characters, or personalities?

Why do so many people care only about their looks and nothing else?

I find the DA elves to be interesting in terms of culture and unity,I wish people would see they are already different from other elves but all some can see is "humans with ears".

Looks are just as important as "culture"  when it comes to fantasy races You think Asari would be as intresting as they are if they were just humans with blue skin, or Salarians were just Stock Grey aliens?

It's the cultures that make those races interesting.Hell Asari are often derided for being Blue Skinned Space Babes but it's their culture that makes them stand out.DA elves have a interesting culture and changing how they look is just being vain.

no its not, sorry but how some thing looks matters, in visual media, you can't just  Slap pointy ears on some thign and expect peopl to be impressed, people like to see soem thing new, This is called the fantasy genre, lets see some orginality.

Originality does not = vulgarity. But you are one of three people in the universe who think DA2 had good art design. The other two being whoever invented Hot Rod Samurai, and I think Peter Moore, the head CEO of EA. So you're in good company.

a look through this thread shows that its more then 3

and vulgarity really ?

[TuringPoint]

Faerunner wrote...

Does anyone like elves for their cultures, characters, or personalities?

Why do so many people care only about their looks and nothing else?

A fair point.  Elves tend to be denigrated as tree-huggers and flamboyant, pretentious artiste types. Many find those traits repulsive. In DA they're underdogs.  

Just my two thoughts.

[TuringPoint]

DA elves are a very different take. Analogous to Native Americans. Not original, but original for elves. Fantasy races tend to dodge modern analogy.

I think DA2 made them a little too childlike in appearance.

I like your arguments about elves Fae.

Modifié par Alocormin, 29 août 2013 - 05:52 .

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Have not seen actual in game footage of elves..So I will withhold my judgement...

[MerchantGOL]

Faerunner wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

no its not, sorry but how some thing looks matters, in visual media, you can't just  Slap pointy ears on some thign and expect peopl to be impressed, people like to see soem thing new,

As far as your "argument," well aren't you shallow.

It's not shallow, were not talking abot likign some one for there personality, were talkign about a visual medium, not a book were you can imagine, it were talkign about imersion in a world, the spectacal of what your seeing, you think half assing it is good, well you would make a poor game designer, that the same type of thinkign that gets us the same girtty modern shooter over and over.

This is called the fantasy genre, lets see some originality.

Like the Qunari, the Veil, the Fade, the Deep Roads, the brontos, the nugs, the darkspawn, the intelligent darkspawn, the broodmothers, the ties to many real Medieval historical events, civilizations, religions, minorities, politics, etc? Yeah, none of that ever happened. It's all the same rehashed crap because they didn't make one established fantasy race out of several look like a new race.

The elves don't look exotic; the entire game lacks originality! 


The only thing with Real orginaity you named were the qunari and thats after there redesign, Seriously you think the Darkspawn are orginal? Ever here of a Trolloc?

But as for your  "point" Elves have been done  a thousand times over, if you are gonna use them, an orginality is mandetory.

[TuringPoint]

Trollocs are a stretch, and you ignored everything else fae mentioned. Only selective originality then, hmm?

[slimgrin]

edited: removed quote pyramid. ~Mod05

Yeah. Some folks don't have a good aesthetic value of things. It's just not in the cards for everyone. Like me being bad at math. So I'm tempted to say you have a lousy artistic sense here, if you really think DA2 got sh*t right.

Modifié par BioWareMod05, 29 août 2013 - 06:40 .

[Realmzmaster]

Actually I want to see more variation in humans and dwarves which is why I like some of the early crpgs like Wizardy 6-8 which allowed for Dracon (Draon and human offspring.Face and tail like a dragon, but bipedal), Faerie (tiny beings that could not use most weapons and armor, but were extremely hard to hit), Lizardmen (bipedal lizard humanoid), Rawulf (bipedal canines), Felpurr (bipedal feline), and Mook (think wookie). Each race had advantages and disadvantages. Wizardry 6-8 also had the standard races human, elf, gnomes, hobbits and dwarves.
Might and Magic had the half-orc.
I would like to see more variation in humans. Hopefully more variation will be forthcoming as the DA universe expands to different lands.

[MerchantGOL]

Alocormin wrote...

Trollocs are a stretch, and you ignored everything else fae mentioned. Only selective originality then, hmm?

Forgive me for not doing a step by step check list but fine

The Veil? The spirit world from jade empire is the smae, thing, a mirrior world where spirits reside is not new

Brontos? Pick any friggin fantasy pack animal you can

Nugs? Aren't they just little pigs

The Deeproads? oh My god Tunnels, Ive never seen a Tunnel before whats a revolutinary idea!

Broodmother ive seen plenty of alien infestation movies to tell you thats not orginal.

[NUM13ER]

There is a trend of thought that there are no new stories only different versions of the telling.

"Originality" is also a term people throw around without offering any new alternative. And rarer still a better one.

Modifié par NUM13ER, 29 août 2013 - 06:05 .

[d4eaming]

I love how, when someone disagrees with you, people turn to veiled insults and denigrating their sense of taste. Lots of people like things that I consider really ugly ****e, but I have the class not go to around insulting them or calling their aesthetic preference into question and treat them like they're stupid for liking something I don't.

DA2 elves looked fine. They failed on the background NPCs, but the rest were fine. You want to b*tch that DA humans are supposed to find them beautiful, yet YOU consider them unattractive? Too freaking bad. Some of us do find the DA2 iteration to be beautiful. If isn't because we're stupid or have bad taste either, that ignorant bollocks can go out the window.

I stil have yet to see the new models with actual textures, but based on what has been shown so far, they are returning to more generic, pander to the lowest common denomitator and play it safe audience. The new iteration isn't *ugly*, but it certainly does not stand out among the thousands of other iterations that have cropped up through the years.

[Shadow Fox]

d4eaming wrote...

I love how, when someone disagrees with you, people turn to veiled insults and denigrating their sense of taste. Lots of people like things that I consider really ugly ****e, but I have the class not go to around insulting them or calling their aesthetic preference into question and treat them like they're stupid for liking something I don't.

DA2 elves looked fine. They failed on the background NPCs, but the rest were fine. You want to b*tch that DA humans are supposed to find them beautiful, yet YOU consider them unattractive? Too freaking bad. Some of us do find the DA2 iteration to be beautiful. If isn't because we're stupid or have bad taste either, that ignorant bollocks can go out the window.

I stil have yet to see the new models with actual textures, but based on what has been shown so far, they are returning to more generic, pander to the lowest common denomitator and play it safe audience. The new iteration isn't *ugly*, but it certainly does not stand out among the thousands of other iterations that have cropped up through the years.

The other guy started it.

[Hazegurl]

d4eaming wrote...
DA2 elves looked fine. They failed on the background NPCs, but the rest were fine. You want to b*tch that DA humans are supposed to find them beautiful, yet YOU consider them unattractive? Too freaking bad. Some of us do find the DA2 iteration to be beautiful. If isn't because we're stupid or have bad taste either, that ignorant bollocks can go out the window.

I stil have yet to see the new models with actual textures, but based on what has been shown so far, they are returning to more generic, pander to the lowest common denomitator and play it safe audience. The new iteration isn't *ugly*, but it certainly does not stand out among the thousands of other iterations that have cropped up through the years.

I actually agree with this. I think Fenris and Merrill looked great and I can't forget Jethann.
I liked the Dragon Age 2 elves, they were different and truly came across as a different species. I don't get why anyone would say the elves are supposed to be considered beautiful in all of Thedas or something. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are plenty of real world groups that some people find beautiful while others would scream to the mountain tops as being ugly but that doesn't stop those groups from facing wide scale sexual harassment, rape, and so on.   I wouldn't mind the elves retaining some of the DA2 look but tweaked if they have to. But it makes no difference to me, I'm still gonna roll an Elf.