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[Chari]

DA:I elves are fabulous. Much better than DA2's Dobbies

[maliluka]

they are concept drawings, I just went back and saw the concept drawing for DA2 elves and that is not how they looked in game to me. Someone else hit the nail on the head a page back, what about the history and lore of the character? Yes we like our characters to look good but is that all we play them for.

[Lindum]

I like the new Elf design in DAI. The DAI Elves are a vast improvement over the Dragon Age 2 Elves.

[PantheraOnca]

1- Any argument that goes "Elves are ____." is going to fail because elves are mythical. There is no actual race of persons known as elves. Since elves are mythical, they can look like anything.

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There's an elf. Live with it. Get over your preconception. Elves in DA look exactly like BW wants them to look.

2- DA:I elves look pretty much like humans with pointy ears in a new graphics engine. This idea clearly has a following. Their facial bone structure/eyes don't seem that different from people in the screenshot we have. I don't see a lot of "meet partway" between 'people with pointy ears' and 'da2' in the new images.

I liked the intention of making elves look more distinctive than their hearing organs and less human in DA2. Was it executed perfectly, or even well? Frankly, I don't care. I liked the idea behind it. I'd like to see a more distinct/non-human design in the new engine.

The elves are more than just their looks, but the complete and total rabidity against the DA2 elves is troubling. However elves turn out in DA:I, it's not going to take away from the game, because DA games are not about graphics.

[DarthSliver]

The only change I didnt like in DA2 was darkspawn and theres only one type of Darkspawn that really bothers me. Its the type of Darkspawn we continued to fight when encountering them in the main game and thats the Hurlocks. I thought Legacy did a good job with the Genlocks, only thing that I wished for DA2 is we could see mage Darkspawn from Hurlocks and Genlocks again but I did l like the new mage Darkspawn change.

[Hazegurl]

You are totally using your own and IRL definitions of beauty standards here and I seriously do not agree with that. I don't see how it breaks immersion simply because you personally don't find them "hauntingly beautiful" in the game compared to what the people on the fictional world of Thedas find beautiful.

You mean the way elves are supposed to look? They put fantasy elves in a fantasy game and they look like fantasy elves? Oh no! Next they'll be putting in dragons that look like dragons, and dwarves that look like dwarves! Make it stop!

Supposed to look? How? According to you or just everyone who puts out fantasy content and do nothing but copy and paste JRR Tolkien? In a fantasy setting, there is no such thing as "supposed to look like"

[ParkBom]

DA2 elves were fugly. From what we've seen ,it's a massive improvement. So no.

[Elhanan]

I would not mind seeing the Darkspawn take a step back to Awakenings; seemed to be more horrific and twisted, and less Undead humanoid in appearance, IMO.

And Faerunner mentions my point exactly, that extant lore in the game defines what appearance the Elves should have, and that the aliens designed for DA2 do not fit the descriptions.

[Noxis6]

The DA:I elves seem like a good step forward and honestly I dont get why elves suddenly must look original,but then I never got why the elves suddenly seemed to need a different look in DA2.
Also where are the torches and pitchforks when it comes to the dwarves I mean they look like every dwarf in every fantasy game ever yet no one seems to be bothered by that so I wonder why elves suddenly must have an original look to clearly separate them from the human species.

[maliluka]

I am sure each person has their own pre conceived idea how a fantasy elf should look like, having never met one in person it is hard to compare apples to apples. However, if they are being described as "hauntingly beautiful", a "pleasure to look upon" or "exotic" the elves in DA2 do not fit this analogy

[MerchantGOL]

Noxis6 wrote...

The DA:I elves seem like a good step forward and honestly I dont get why elves suddenly must look original,but then I never got why the elves suddenly seemed to need a different look in DA2.

You don't see the problem with the same **** happening in fantasy storries over and over is  a bad thing?

[Elhanan]

MerchantGOL wrote...

You don't see the problem with the same **** happening in fantasy storries over and over is  a bad thing?

It could be if changes are made simply for change's sake. While the phrase, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" is not always true, it often is....

[MerchantGOL]

Elhanan wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

You don't see the problem with the same **** happening in fantasy storries over and over is  a bad thing?

It could be if changes are made simply for change's sake. While the phrase, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" is not always true, it often is....

It was change to make it unique, that s not just for the sake of change, and sorry they were broken in dao

[cjones91]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

You don't see the problem with the same **** happening in fantasy storries over and over is  a bad thing?

It could be if changes are made simply for change's sake. While the phrase, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" is not always true, it often is....

It was change to make it unique, that s not just for the sake of change, and sorry they were broken in dao

How were they broken?Can you give some examples?And why not complain about how humans aren't unique?Or dragons for that matter.

Modifié par cjones91, 29 août 2013 - 07:17 .

[Hazegurl]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Noxis6 wrote...

The DA:I elves seem like a good step forward and honestly I dont get why elves suddenly must look original,but then I never got why the elves suddenly seemed to need a different look in DA2.

You don't see the problem with the same **** happening in fantasy storries over and over is  a bad thing?

Sadly, many people seem to think that being spoon fed the same thing over and over again is a good thing. It's why I like very few things in the fantasy genre. I love LOTR, but do I really see to see this one person's take on the genre in everything written and created? Why are people using Tolkien as the definition of a genre that is supposed to be limitless in imagination I will never understand. 

I'm so tired of this "defining" of the fantasy genre that has sadly taken place. Where has the imagination gone? smh.

[Noxis6]

MerchantGOL wrote...
It was change to make it unique, that s not just for the sake of change, and sorry they were broken in dao

Frankly,what made the DA elves original was their social situation and culture in the DA universe,while the second class citizens approach is not completely unique,since the Witcher books kind of did something like this before Dragon age,it still made them interesting to me without the need to radically change their look away from established preconceptions.
Also as I said before I still dont understand why they must look original,yet the dwarven look or dragons for that matter seem to get a free pass

Modifié par Noxis6, 29 août 2013 - 07:24 .

[MerchantGOL]

Noxis6 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...
It was change to make it unique, that s not just for the sake of change, and sorry they were broken in dao

Frankly,what made the DA elves original was their social situation and culture in the DA universe,while the second class citizens approach is not completely unique,since the Witcher books kind of did something like this before Dragon age,it still made them interesting to me without the need to radically change their look away from established preconceptions.
Also as I said before I still dont understand why they must look original,yet the dwarven look or dragons for that matter seem to get a free pass

as i said earlier the Dwarves do look diffrent from humans, and dragons are just animals, not a characters to interact with.

[MerchantGOL]

cjones91 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

You don't see the problem with the same **** happening in fantasy storries over and over is  a bad thing?

It could be if changes are made simply for change's sake. While the phrase, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" is not always true, it often is....

It was change to make it unique, that s not just for the sake of change, and sorry they were broken in dao

How were they broken?Can you give some examples?And why not complain about how humans aren't unique?Or dragons for that matter.

as said a thousand times, we are human, they are the defualt, if they are diffrent thentthey arent us. dragons are bland too, but there not characterrs we interact with, ther just monsters they kill, the fact that  dao ended with just slaying a dragon was a big minus for me

as for how elves were broken in dao, they were boring, ive seen humans with pointy ears a thousand times befor, and a thousand times since, because weve never seena ny thign diffrent people have begun to roll there eeys in regards to fantasy when ever elves come up  cause its the same old ****.

[cjones91]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Noxis6 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...
It was change to make it unique, that s not just for the sake of change, and sorry they were broken in dao

Frankly,what made the DA elves original was their social situation and culture in the DA universe,while the second class citizens approach is not completely unique,since the Witcher books kind of did something like this before Dragon age,it still made them interesting to me without the need to radically change their look away from established preconceptions.
Also as I said before I still dont understand why they must look original,yet the dwarven look or dragons for that matter seem to get a free pass

as i said earlier the Dwarves do look diffrent from humans, and dragons are just animals, not a characters to interact with.

But why are you singling out elves?I have no probelm with them getting a design tweak as long as all races are tweaked.

[Noxis6]

MerchantGOL wrote...
as i said earlier the Dwarves do look diffrent from humans, and dragons are just animals, not a characters to interact with.

So youre ok with dwarves basicly being "short humans with beards",but not with elves being "humans with pointy ears"?

[cjones91]

MerchantGOL wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

You don't see the problem with the same **** happening in fantasy storries over and over is  a bad thing?

It could be if changes are made simply for change's sake. While the phrase, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" is not always true, it often is....

It was change to make it unique, that s not just for the sake of change, and sorry they were broken in dao

How were they broken?Can you give some examples?And why not complain about how humans aren't unique?Or dragons for that matter.

as said a thousand times, we are human, they are the defualt, if they are diffrent thentthey arent us. dragons are bland too, but there not characterrs we interact with, ther just monsters they kill, the fact that  dao ended with just slaying a dragon was a big minus for me

as for how elves were broken in dao, they were boring, ive seen humans with pointy ears a thousand times befor, and a thousand times since, because weve never seena ny thign diffrent people have begun to roll there eeys in regards to fantasy when ever elves come up  cause its the same old ****.

Hmm...I wonder if you would say the same thing if people were to complain about how humans were generic and should be altered because they said so?Do you complain this much about the other races or are elves only targeted because they are popular and so you feel the need to be a hipster and change elves in order to stand out?

[maliluka]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Noxis6 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...
It was change to make it unique, that s not just for the sake of change, and sorry they were broken in dao

Frankly,what made the DA elves original was their social situation and culture in the DA universe,while the second class citizens approach is not completely unique,since the Witcher books kind of did something like this before Dragon age,it still made them interesting to me without the need to radically change their look away from established preconceptions.
Also as I said before I still dont understand why they must look original,yet the dwarven look or dragons for that matter seem to get a free pass

as i said earlier the Dwarves do look diffrent from humans, and dragons are just animals, not a characters to interact with.

How do the dwarves look any different than the humans? the male dwarfs face is fuller, and his nose is fatter. so are we going to start calling dwarfs short stocky humans now. The female dwarf is very beautiful, only her face is fuller than the humans yet we clearly recognize her as a dwarf

The elves have their distinguishing features as well other than the ears, if you care to look. the face is a little broader etc.

Modifié par maliluka, 29 août 2013 - 07:40 .

[MerchantGOL]

Noxis6 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...
as i said earlier the Dwarves do look diffrent from humans, and dragons are just animals, not a characters to interact with.

So youre ok with dwarves basicly being "short humans with beards",but not with elves being "humans with pointy ears"?

 the dwarves have always had unique  skelteal structure, bulbus noses, ect

[MerchantGOL]

cjones91 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

You don't see the problem with the same **** happening in fantasy storries over and over is  a bad thing?

It could be if changes are made simply for change's sake. While the phrase, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" is not always true, it often is....

It was change to make it unique, that s not just for the sake of change, and sorry they were broken in dao

How were they broken?Can you give some examples?And why not complain about how humans aren't unique?Or dragons for that matter.

as said a thousand times, we are human, they are the defualt, if they are diffrent thentthey arent us. dragons are bland too, but there not characterrs we interact with, ther just monsters they kill, the fact that  dao ended with just slaying a dragon was a big minus for me

as for how elves were broken in dao, they were boring, ive seen humans with pointy ears a thousand times befor, and a thousand times since, because weve never seena ny thign diffrent people have begun to roll there eeys in regards to fantasy when ever elves come up  cause its the same old ****.

Hmm...I wonder if you would say the same thing if people were to complain about how humans were generic and should be altered because they said so?Do you complain this much about the other races or are elves only targeted because they are popular and so you feel the need to be a hipster and change elves in order to stand out?

keep witht he strawman, ive already explained about humans  as definiton are gneric.

IF they were to change the qunari back, you best belive i would have a major issue.

the fact that you don't see being able to pull 3 elves from three diffrent  franchises and not being able to tell htem appart is a good, thign shows why people like you shouldn't have any  say on design choices, cause you just want the same crap over and over