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[cjones91]

Faerunner wrote...

WHY ARE PEOPLE OBSESSED WITH THE ELF DESIGNS???

Seriously, it's driving me crazy. Elves are an established fantasy race with rather established fantasy features within our collective consciousness, and people keep ****ing that they don't look like a completely new race? They aren't a completely new race, so why do people keep demanding to re-invent the wheel?

What's more, the same people that call for re-invented elf designs never once comment on the dwarves. Thedas dwarves just look like short and stout humans, but I have seen not one thread complaining about how dwarves look too similar to humans or past fantasy dwarves in my year and a half of lurking on this website.

The elves look fine. They have different racial features humans, but they don't look like bug-eyed aliens. Let it go.

My point exactly! It's hypocritical to complain about one race looking human while ignoring the fact that dwarves are pretty much smaller humans in appearance.

Modifié par cjones91, 24 août 2013 - 05:45 .

[Sylvianus]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Look at the bone structure of the head in the different pictures. Elves are distinct. What they aren't any more
is ugly.I guess some might see that alone as becoming too human again, but I think it's a vast improvement over DA2's design.

Also : http://social.biowar.../index/17200500

The same topic created yesterday. Might help the Op to see what other people feel about it.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 24 août 2013 - 05:51 .

[Chagrinned Goat]

hhh89 wrote...
@Chagrinned Goat: you talk about elves being similar to human, when the female dwarf concept (your own avatar) is more similar to a human than the female elf?

I pointed that out in my post. Dwarves, especially the women, unfortunately, tend to have very human faces. What sets them apart is usually their body structure, which is very different. I disagree that the female dwarf concept is closer to human than the female elf. The female elf and human, and the male elf and human, look nearly identical. They have the same noses and eyes, and very similar facial structure. Even though the dwarf female is very human in appearance, she's at least very different from the others. Though I admit what we've seen is extremely limited, and possibly not representative of the whole race designs, I still don't see it as a good sign.

For the record, I don't the see the female dwarf's face as ideal, either. But since faces, again, aren't usually the dwarves most distinctive feature, I'm witholding judgement until we see bodies.

cjones91 wrote...
If something isn't broken then don't fix
it.You may like DA2's elves but they went against the lore of elves
being attractive to humans and having human features.

But it was broken. Other characters could identify elves instantly even though they looked exactly the same except for height (which is actually a variable, just not one seen in game) and the ears (which are easily hidden). I personally don't see where DAII's elves are especially unattractive, either. I just can't see the same ugliness that many others do. They look different, absolutely, but not bad. Their features are still very humanoid, either way. They do have human features, they're just not identical features. Which I obviously see as a good thing.

Modifié par Chagrinned Goat, 24 août 2013 - 05:49 .

[cjones91]

Chagrinned Goat wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
@Chagrinned Goat: you talk about elves being similar to human, when the female dwarf concept (your own avatar) is more similar to a human than the female elf?

I pointed that out in my post. Dwarves, especially the women, unfortunately, tend to have very human faces. What sets them apart is usually their body structure, which is very different. I disagree that the female dwarf concept is closer to human than the female elf. The female elf and human, and the male elf and human, look nearly identical. They have the same noses and eyes, and very similar facial structure. Even though the dwarf female is very human in appearance, she's at least very different from the others. Though I admit what we've seen is extremely limited, and possibly not representative of the whole race designs, I still don't see it as a good sign.

cjones91 wrote...
If something isn't broken then don't fix
it.You may like DA2's elves but they went against the lore of elves
being attractive to humans and having human features.

But it was broken. Other characters could identify elves instantly even though they looked exactly the same except for height (which is actually a variable, just not one seen in game) and the ears (which are easily hidden). I personally don't see where DAII's elves are especially unattractive, either. I just can't see the same ugliness that many others do. They look different, absolutely, but not bad. Their features are still very humanoid, either way. They do have human features, they're just not identical features. Which I obviously see as a good thing.

For one DA2's elves had creepy sunken eyes that made them look like some imbred creature,second was their long necks that made their heads look weird.I believe DA:Inquisition's elves are the perfect balance between looking exotic without being weird while keeping the classic elf design.

Modifié par cjones91, 24 août 2013 - 05:50 .

[In Exile]

Chagrinned Goat wrote...
But it was broken. Other characters could identify elves instantly even though they looked exactly the same except for height (which is actually a variable, just not one seen in game) and the ears (which are easily hidden). I personally don't see where DAII's elves are especially unattractive, either. I just can't see the same ugliness that many others do. They look different, absolutely, but not bad. Their features are still very humanoid, either way. They do have human features, they're just not identical features. Which I obviously see as a good thing.

I don't want to take the thread in this direction, but I'd bet a lot of money that if we started talking about which elves are unattractive we'd get a list of all the female elves in DA2 that don't adhere to a particular preconception of beauty. 

I mean, the argument is all about objectification on its face. 

Modifié par In Exile, 24 août 2013 - 05:54 .

[Sylvianus]

I'd really like to know why they changed the design though. From what I remember, Bioware for months vigorously defended the new DA2 design and repeated over and over it was unlikely to change. I had lost hope to be honest. XD

Modifié par Sylvianus, 24 août 2013 - 06:01 .

[cjones91]

Sylvianus wrote...

I'd really like to know why they changed the design though. From what I remember, Bioware for months vigorously defended the new DA2 design and repeated over and over it was unlikely to change.

Probaly because the DA2 elves would look even more weirder with the new engine.

Modifié par cjones91, 24 août 2013 - 05:57 .

[In Exile]

Sylvianus wrote...

I'd really like to know why they changed the design though. From what I remember, Bioware for months vigorously defended the new DA2 design and repeated over and over it was unlikely to change.

To show that they're retreating from DA2 entirely, making overtures to the fans as much as they can to draw in the DA:O audience? It's as close to an apologize as you're going to get from a publically held company. 

Modifié par In Exile, 24 août 2013 - 05:58 .

[The Elder King]

Sylvianus wrote...

I'd really like to know why they changed the design though. From what I remember, Bioware for months vigorously defended the new DA2 design and repeated over and over it was unlikely to change.

Last year Bioware said they were trying to find a middle ground between the previous games. That's why I believe they might change something about the concept they shown.

[Salaya]

It's grand to see some people discussing about how beauty seems something subjective, but the next minute postulate that being different is nonetheless a good thing. It's as grand as seeing people using the word "preconception" to look smarter.

Modifié par Salaya, 24 août 2013 - 06:01 .

[Navasha]

Sylvianus wrote...

I'd really like to know why they changed the design though. From what I remember, Bioware for months vigorously defended the new DA2 design and repeated over and over it was unlikely to change.I had lost hope to be honest. XD

That's actually been answered.   They were given more time.   Multiple races were probably always on the feature list but just never made the cut given the timeframe they originally had.   When they were given additional development time, they could add more features off the list.    Multiple races just happened to be next

[Angrywolves]

sheesh.
Too many elf design questions.
Anything Bioware does with it now is an improvement over DA2.
Period.

[Chagrinned Goat]

cjones91 wrote...
For one DA2's elves had creepy sunken eyes that made them look like some imbred creature,second was their long necks that made their heads look weird.I believe DA:Inquisition's elves are the perfect balance between looking exotic without being weird while keeping the classic elf design.

Sunken eyes? I'm going to need examples, there. And didn't you just call them bug eyed in a previous post? Those are opposites. They have large and round eyes, but they don't seem to have an inhuman depth. I'm not sure where "imbred creature" comes from, except for that part where they, again, just don't look completely human. I agree that some of their necks seemed too long, however. Athenril comes to mind for that.

The new elves don't look exotic. They look human.

In Exile wrote...
I don't want to take the thread in this
direction, but I'd bet a lot of money that if we started talking about
which elves are unattractive we'd get a list of all the female elves in
DA2 that don't adhere to a particular preconception of beauty. 

Hah. I didn't mean to point it in that direction, if anyone thinks I did. I'm sure attractive examples wouldn't so much fit a "particular preconception of beauty" as much as they would just be the more human ones. Which might be just a way of saying the same thing, but I'm not convinced. I think people just like humans. That's okay, but I disagree.

Modifié par Chagrinned Goat, 24 août 2013 - 06:08 .

[Han Shot First]

I thought the decision to retcon elven appearance was a mistake in DA2. At that point you had already established a canon appearance for the elves, so why was it being changed? If they wanted a more alien look for the elves, the time to have done that would have been before DA:O. Another problem is that the elves had already been described in the lore as attractive to the human eye. If you've made them canonically attractive, you can't then roll out a concept that makes them repulsive and conflicts with that.

Their appearance in DA:I is a step in the right direction IMO, and a fix.

[Tarek]

Huntress wrote...

DA2 elves looked Fungly.
they should go back to DAO style or J. R. R. Tolkien style.

and like others have said I want them to use shoes.

WAITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

elves did not use shoes in DA2 ????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tarek]

Salaya wrote...

Since pro-navielves say people only post images of Orana and "poor designed" examples, let's have a look on GiraffeFenris, one of those "attractive" navielves from DA2:



It seems we have reached the end of this discussion

she looks like a possessed creature from the exorcist 

[Karlone123]

Just remember, different teams have different ideas about designs on race. I like the idea of putting more space between the races, I really like the Kossith design in DA2 and I am happy they will stay with that design in DAI. With the Elves, it's about trying out different designs until they reach one they are happy with. Like I posted before, the body frame could do with tweaking (I kept thinking of twerking earlier), but remain with a slim delicate elven look like they had in DA2.

[Tarek]

hhh89 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I'd really like to know why they changed the design though. From what I remember, Bioware for months vigorously defended the new DA2 design and repeated over and over it was unlikely to change.

Last year Bioware said they were trying to find a middle ground between the previous games. That's why I believe they might change something about the concept they shown.

DA2 was crap.... there is no middle gound they just need to make a better DA:O and just ignore DA2 entierly 

[Wulfram]

The lack of consistency is kind of annoying, but I don't see much wrong with elves being humans with funny ears. That's what elves are supposed to look like, really.

[Shadow Fox]

That's a he dude.

[Faerah]

I just want to point out that the character creator might be robust enough to create elves closely resembling either DA:O -or- DA2. Depending on how the sliders manipulate the faces, that is, and if we get multiple body types to choose from. That would make everyone happy, at least.

[frostajulie]

Problem with DA2 elves is it has been established in universe many humans find elves sexually attractive. Except for Fenris and IMO Merrill in DA2 all the elves looked like Dobby and who the **** wants to make sexy times with Dobby? The new look of elves is a huge step forward and frankly a relief because DA2 elves were distinct as in distinctively fugly.

Modifié par frostajulie, 24 août 2013 - 06:58 .