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[DooomCookie]

Parmida wrote...

I love the new look of the elves of DA:I.

[d4eaming]

I think people need to learn to seperate their personal tastes from fact. It is not a "fact" that DA2 elves were ugly, deformed, or alien. It's an opinion, and it's distinctly grating when people take it upon themselves to speak their tastes as fact and act like they get to represent my opinion (and the whole of the fanbase). You hate DA2 elves, ok good for you. But you don't get to speak for me.

I hate the DAO elf design because there is nothing interesting about them. They're short, somewhat slimmer, and have pointed ears. That's so very mundane. Their lore, religion, and history is fascinating, which is why I choose to play elves. Not because I particularly liked how they looked. Yes, I did design my elf characters in a way that was aesthetically pleasing, and I think Zevran is fairly attractive, but their designs just don't speak to me at all.

That's why I love the DA2 design. They have a distinctive look, they are recognizably elven, even from a distance. I find them pretty- not ugly, gross, alien, deformed, or whatever other stupid thing people use to describe them. Some people don't like them. That's fine. Some people don't like the DAO elves either.

Using the backround NPCs as proof that DA2 elves are bad is disingenious, seeing as background NPCs deliberately don't get the same polish as the main characters. Same with awkward screenshots, like the one with Fenris. I'm sure we could find a thousand stupid looking screenshots from DAO to "prove" those elves were a terrible design, too. (Frankly, it bugs we WAY MORE to see my arcane warrior's weapons clipping through his body so he'd be decappitating himself constantly than an occasional odd neck angle.)

As for the Tolkein elves, blah. Congrats, you get your conventionally attractive elves that have nothing special going for them- that has been currently shown. I find that disapointing. Yes, they are pretty, even without textures, and I will be content with it, but I won't be *happy* until we get a proper screenshot and I can decide if I really like them or not. It's yet another "human but slightly different" design that I personally find boring.

[cjones91]

d4eaming wrote...

I think people need to learn to seperate their personal tastes from fact. It is not a "fact" that DA2 elves were ugly, deformed, or alien. It's an opinion, and it's distinctly grating when people take it upon themselves to speak their tastes as fact and act like they get to represent my opinion (and the whole of the fanbase). You hate DA2 elves, ok good for you. But you don't get to speak for me.

I hate the DAO elf design because there is nothing interesting about them. They're short, somewhat slimmer, and have pointed ears. That's so very mundane. Their lore, religion, and history is fascinating, which is why I choose to play elves. Not because I particularly liked how they looked. Yes, I did design my elf characters in a way that was aesthetically pleasing, and I think Zevran is fairly attractive, but their designs just don't speak to me at all.

That's why I love the DA2 design. They have a distinctive look, they are recognizably elven, even from a distance. I find them pretty- not ugly, gross, alien, deformed, or whatever other stupid thing people use to describe them. Some people don't like them. That's fine. Some people don't like the DAO elves either.

Using the backround NPCs as proof that DA2 elves are bad is disingenious, seeing as background NPCs deliberately don't get the same polish as the main characters. Same with awkward screenshots, like the one with Fenris. I'm sure we could find a thousand stupid looking screenshots from DAO to "prove" those elves were a terrible design, too. (Frankly, it bugs we WAY MORE to see my arcane warrior's weapons clipping through his body so he'd be decappitating himself constantly than an occasional odd neck angle.)

As for the Tolkein elves, blah. Congrats, you get your conventionally attractive elves that have nothing special going for them- that has been currently shown. I find that disapointing. Yes, they are pretty, even without textures, and I will be content with it, but I won't be *happy* until we get a proper screenshot and I can decide if I really like them or not. It's yet another "human but slightly different" design that I personally find boring.

Again why complain about elves looking human when that's what they have always looked like?

[Shaftell]

No! (insert Sten face here). I love the new designs. I didn't like the pixie look Elves had in DA2. The facial designs thus far have looked outstanding! Especially the dwarves.

[Tarek]

plz can we PRETEND DA 2 did not happen....

[ScotGaymer]

The only Elves, IMO, that looked half way decent in DA2 was Merill and Fenris. And that was because the team put some effort into it there sadly that effort was not reflected evenly across the rest of the race across the game and as such what we got reflects that.

Not that i am criticising them for it - they had like a year to knock DA2 out so its amazing they did as much and as well as they did.

However, IMO, the Elven redesign (along with the darkspawn redesign) was hideous and I am glad that we are seeing the back of them; if indeed we are seeing the back of them.

To my eyes they ALL looked like they had some form of mental and physical retardation (including Merill and Fenris) going on. Having seen the concepts of the male and female Elves I really don't see much of a difference between DA2 elves and DAI elves...

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 24 août 2013 - 07:53 .

[AtreiyaN7]

I was okay with the DA2 darkspawn, as I am one of the few in favor of the darkspawn looking more like the race from which they originated. I also found some of the DA2 elves okay (characters like Merrill and Fenris were fine visually).

Unlike most people here, I don't mind complete redesigns and new approaches, but the fact is that the DA2 elf redesign did not work overall. If only a handful of the DA2 elves were acceptable and aesthetically pleasing, while the majority were unappealing, then you have to acknowledge that there was a problem with it.

Are the DA:I elves more traditional? Yes, but in this case, I feel that it's for the best that they backtracked a little on the elves. I think the DA:I redesign with the new elves being closer to human just flat-out looks better based on the male and female models that we've seen thus far.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 24 août 2013 - 08:14 .

[Unknown_Warrior]

Shame they look more like generic elves in DAI but I can live with it, I'm not gonna play as one anyway.
It's a sad state of affair that everything has to be so formulaic all the time. If it isn't exactly like it is in Lord of The Rings or (A)D&D, the nerds will throw a hissy fit.

In fact, I'd have been more please if they gave them 4 arms, garbled speech, a hunchback and crooked teeth. At least that'd be actual ****ing fantasy at least. Or something other than Tolkien/Gygax Elves, like actual elves of legends, being ethereal females clad in white. Or even the midget ones we got in later centuries (more akin to magical dwarves).

Maybe it's just me, but I'm sad no game ever tries to be fantastic anymore. In the west, it's all just regurgitated ideas from Tolkien and/or Gygax, while in the east they're so obsessed with youth and cuteness that it's just humans with mammal features, like catpeople.

Modifié par Unknown_Warrior, 24 août 2013 - 08:16 .

[Realmzmaster]

Tarek wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I'd really like to know why they changed the design though. From what I remember, Bioware for months vigorously defended the new DA2 design and repeated over and over it was unlikely to change.

Last year Bioware said they were trying to find a middle ground between the previous games. That's why I believe they might change something about the concept they shown.

DA2 was crap.... there is no middle gound they just need to make a better DA:O and just ignore DA2 entierly 

You mean like DAO was crap in comparison to the greatness that is Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. I like the fact that Bioware is looking back to the their greatest achievement. in BG2. The first step was no health regeneration.  Next step limited ammo, better random encounters and better inventory management.

I liked DA2. There was no problem with the elf design as far as I am concerned.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 24 août 2013 - 08:21 .

[ScotGaymer]

@Unknown_Warrior

That is completely inaccurate. Completely.

How many copies did Skyrim sell?

Do you think people then went onto the Skyrim forum and complained that the Mer didn't look like Elves?

No I highly doubt they did.

Character design in TES has always been highly unfortunately looking sadly, and the Elves in TES don't look like "traditional" elves. The Altmer look like Vulcans with glowy eyes to me. lol.

So no. People don't complain because they don't look traditional. Or rather thats not what the majority of the complaints were about. People complained because the Elven redesign sucked in those peoples opinions.

[ninsegtari]

I support the DA2 elf design. I would hope that the final DAI version is simply an improved version. I certainly wouldn't want them to be humans with pointy ears again.

[cjones91]

Unknown_Warrior wrote...

Shame they look more like generic elves in DAI but I can live with it, I'm not gonna play as one anyway.
It's a sad state of affair that everything has to be so formulaic all the time. If it isn't exactly like it is in Lord of The Rings or (A)D&D, the nerds will throw a hissy fit.

In fact, I'd have been more please if they gave them 4 arms, garbled speech, a hunchback and crooked teeth. At least that'd be actual ****ing fantasy at least. Or something other than Tolkien/Gygax Elves, like actual elves of legends, being ethereal females clad in white. Or even the midget ones we got in later centuries (more akin to magical dwarves).

Maybe it's just me, but I'm sad no game ever tries to be fantastic anymore. In the west, it's all just regurgitated ideas from Tolkien and/or Gygax, while in the east they're so obsessed with youth and cuteness that it's just humans with mammal features, like catpeople.

At this point I'm tired of people crying"Change the elves,they need to look like ****ing mutants because I said so".Seriously find something else to complain about because it's ridiculus.

[cjones91]

ninsegtari wrote...

I support the DA2 elf design. I would hope that the final DAI version is simply an improved version. I certainly wouldn't want them to be humans with pointy ears again.

Enough with the humans with pointy ears complaint! Elves have always looked human ever since their creation so why change their design when there is nothing wrong with it?

[Sylvianus]

* Raooow * 

Modifié par Sylvianus, 24 août 2013 - 08:30 .

[The Serge777]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Look at the bone structure of the head in the different pictures. Elves are distinct. What they aren't any more is ugly. I guess some might see that alone as becoming too human again, but I think it's a vast improvement over DA2's design.

Ugly is relative.  However, I will accept that there's a general consensus among people in the West as for what constitutes attractive and will point out that there are plenty of unattractive elves in DAO and DAO: Awakening.

[Foxhound2121]

so elves need to look ugly to not look human?

[Sylvianus]

Elves need to look aliens, deformed, mutants, trolls, ugly navi, with " pointy ears " to be considered as elves apparently.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 24 août 2013 - 08:39 .

[Unknown_Warrior]

cjones91 wrote...
At this point I'm tired of people crying"Change the elves,they need to look like ****ing mutants because I said so".Seriously find something else to complain about because it's ridiculus.

They could've just kept them as they looked in DA2.
I wasn't complaining about how they looked in that.

Also this is the first time I posted in this thread and my opinion about the updated elves, so I don't know who you're projecting. Or you're just furious someone disagrees with you. In that case; stop getting so worked up, buddy!

Modifié par Unknown_Warrior, 24 août 2013 - 08:37 .

[cjones91]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

so elves need to look ugly to not look human?

According to some people in this thread and many others elves need to look like bug eyed,long necked freaks because they said so.Screw lore and the fact DA elves have human features and are supposed to be attractive to humans because they need to look different for the sake of being different.At this point I can't take those people's complaints seriously anymore.

[The Serge777]

osbornep wrote...

I think it would have been interesting if DA had, from the get-go, gone with something like the DA2 look for elves (or something similarly strange-looking), and then had the in-universe perspective among the people of Thedas be that elves were, in fact, ugly rather than beautiful. Cultural standards of beauty tend to reflect the interests of the more privileged social groups, so it stands to reason that the people who are stereotyped as being associated with violence and poverty would also be regarded as having the less desirable physical features. Also, it would make the elves-as-oppressed minority angle a better challenge to the player's commitment to liberal values like equality and toleration. After all, it's much easier to be sympathetic to beautiful natives (*cough* Avatar *cough*) than to folks you find to be rather homely.

This is an interesting, well-considered perspective.  However, we also know that a popular behavior on the part of those with power is to denigrate those without as ugly, disgusting, and (often) sexually aggressive all the while pursuing them for sexual favors.

I suspect that the real problem with the elven redesign (and DA2 in many other areas in general) is that it diverged so drastically from DAO.  You imply as much in your post, but I suspect that the critiques surrounding DA2 wouldn't have been as severe had the approach taken there had been in place since the first game.  And, in a way, I wonder if DA:I is going to suffer from this lack of visual consistency.  If we look at other Bioware RPGs, there's a visual consistency within given franchises even as technology improves.  Dragon Age, though, changed considerably from Origins to Part 2 in almost every way, from visuals to graphics to combat to class progression.  I fear that another change like this -- which I don't think is particularly useful -- further dilutes the integrity of the franchise.  

Still, as I implied in my original post and as others have said, we don't know what the final visuals for elves will be yet.  My goal in this thread is to see if there's a consensus about what would be ideal for elven features and if it's better to try something different rather than stick to something that's been used repeatedly across the fantasy genre. 

[Fishy]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Man this is so bad. I really do not know what they were thinking.

[The Serge777]

AstusOz wrote...

Let's try and make this more coherent... 

I understand why Bioware wanted to give elves a more distinct look and move away from the whole 'humans with pointy ears' thing that was repeatedly brought up. The thing is, appearance wise, elves are essentially humans with pointy ears when talking about traditional sources. They're just like us with certain aspects that make them more majestic and alien. These aspects are usually related moreso to their behaviours and demeanour. 

You mean with vaguely Caucasian features, skin tone, and hair?  Is this a good thing?
 

[Bionuts]

Elves are supposed to ooz sexual attraction in the DA universe. They are supposed to have the most desirable traits to humans.

[slimgrin]

Are people seriously asking this question?